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[spotlessvoid]

Alright, I can't do this anymore. Dem-nothing but love bro. No hard feelings.

[paxxton]

Mass Effect is a genuine account of human history.

[paxxton]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I hope you're all enjoying yourselves! lol

Anyone living on the eastern coast of US can tell you that if oceans are alive and sentient, then they don't like us...

Hang on in there. It can only get better now.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 novembre 2012 - 02:20 .

[Iconoclaste]

Well, I don't really mind. In fact, I'm curious to read what Demersel was thinking with this "sentient" sea...

[masster blaster]

Hey guys what have missed! Also what was it everyone was talking about yesterday about Anderson, and his family? Also poor Estebanus.

[Rifneno]

So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

[demersel]

byne wrote...

I havent been paying attention to the last page. Are they not? Did I miss something?

Well, they can be all sort of things. 

water can be solid liquid and gas. 
So can iron. 
In fact so can any of the elements, given right conditions. 

Liquid water is very rare in the universe. You know why? Case of the temperature gate - it is very small - only 100 degrees celsius.

The temperature is actually a combined speed of molecules - the faster the molucels move - the hotter.
When molecules don't move at all - it is called absolute zero. You can't get lower that that in terms of temperature - because molecules simply cannot not to move more, than not at all. 

Absolute zero is  - 273 degrees celsius. There is no temperature lower than that anywhere in the universe.
That is the very bottom of the grade. However it is really impossible to tell what is the highest possible temperature (i.e. the highest speed with which the molecules move) but it is for sure way higher than millions of degrees celsius.

So you see the temperature in the universe can go anywhere from minus 273 up to millions and millions of degrees. And water can be liquid only in the gam between 0 and 100 degrees. So statisticly speaking idea of liquid water is preposterous. Devide a million by 100 - there is your chance of finding water liquid.

Now. About Iron. Iron melts at 1539 degrees celsius. Anything hotter than that - and you can have oceans of iron. 
Copper melts at 1058 degress celsius.
Gold - 1063оС
[/b]Lead - 327,4оС
[/b]
i can really go on and on. 

  

[BleedingUranium]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Well, I don't really mind. In fact, I'm curious to read what Demersel was thinking with this "sentient" sea...

Sentient C? Like C-Sec? Which stands for "Citadel"? The Citadel is sentient?

I think Dem just proved the literalists right!

[Rifneno]

There's also scenarios of the three states of matter that you rarely hear about because they don't happen on Earth. For instance water can solidify at extremely high pressure too. Check out Gliese 436 B, the planet of burning ice.

[Home run MF]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Well, I don't really mind. In fact, I'm curious to read what Demersel was thinking with this "sentient" sea...

If I had to guess I'd say Tipler's Omega point.

[byne]

Demersel, your whole "Iron and water can actually be liquid, solid, or gas!" doesnt make you seem smart. It makes you seem like you just took a class and recently learned this and want to flaunt your knowledge.

We're all aware of the four states of matter.

No offense.

[401 Kill]

Rifneno wrote...

So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

Is this true?

[Iconoclaste]

byne wrote...

Demersel, your whole "Iron and water can actually be liquid, solid, or gas!" doesnt make you seem smart. It makes you seem like you just took a class and recently learned this and want to flaunt your knowledge.

We're all aware of the four states of matter.

No offense.

What's the fourth one?

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 05 novembre 2012 - 02:31 .

[paxxton]

Iconoclaste wrote...

byne wrote...

Demersel, your whole "Iron and water can actually be liquid, solid, or gas!" doesnt make you seem smart. It makes you seem like you just took a class and recently learned this and want to flaunt your knowledge.

We're all aware of the four states of matter.

No offense.

What's the fourth one?

Plasma.

[byne]

Iconoclaste wrote...

byne wrote...

Demersel, your whole "Iron and water can actually be liquid, solid, or gas!" doesnt make you seem smart. It makes you seem like you just took a class and recently learned this and want to flaunt your knowledge.

We're all aware of the four states of matter.

No offense.

What's the fourth one?

Plasma

[Rifneno]

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

Is this true?

Near as I can tell.  I found the plot flag that determines whether the brat needs a nap or not, and it always set between the last opportunity to save before curing the genophage, and the first opportunity to save afterwards.

[ZerebusPrime]

masster blaster wrote...

Also what was it everyone was talking about yesterday about Anderson, and his family?

Oh, you know, a little something I posted.  It's buried along with everything else I've ever posted here...


I kid.

ZerebusPrime wrote... (and editted much later for grammar)

The missing link: why a child?

I was thinking about cut version of David Anderson's "you did good" talk. In this conversation, Anderson asks Shepard if he ever thought about starting a family and tells him that not having a family was one of his greatest regrets in life. Here in the IT thread, though, we see Anderson in this sequence not as himself but rather as Shepard's unspoiled "good" side, in which case this conversation should have raised all sorts of red flags. If Shepard's conscience regrets not having a family, then it means that deep down Shepard regrets not having a family. And therein was the ****** in his mental armor that the Reapers first seeped through, creating the apparition of the child playing outside Shepard's window. The Reapers then sought to widen the gap by showing the kid get vaporized, and then again and again with successive dreams. Finally, they manage to crack Shepard after his failure on Thessia. After that, we start seeing progressively weirder things in Shepard's waking hours, starting from the Cerberus HQ mission and culminating in the Decision Chamber.

Or, from a more literal point of view, it could have simply implied that Anderson had been seeing visions of children, too, which would point towards his own indoctrination.

[paxxton]

I guess the upper limit for temperature increase would be when the particles move at the speed of light.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 novembre 2012 - 02:36 .

[401 Kill]

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

Is this true?

Near as I can tell.  I found the plot flag that determines whether the brat needs a nap or not, and it always set between the last opportunity to save before curing the genophage, and the first opportunity to save afterwards.

I always thought that it had to do with EMS.

Now how can we apply this? I think it gives credit to the end being made up by Shepards memories. Sorry, but that is the best I can do right now. How about you? I will try and think this over.

[plfranke]

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

Is this true?

Near as I can tell.  I found the plot flag that determines whether the brat needs a nap or not, and it always set between the last opportunity to save before curing the genophage, and the first opportunity to save afterwards.

Can you be more specific about what exactly you're talking about? If you're talking about the "Why are you here" thing that's ems dependent not genophage cure decision dependent.

[Rifneno]

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

Is this true?

Near as I can tell.  I found the plot flag that determines whether the brat needs a nap or not, and it always set between the last opportunity to save before curing the genophage, and the first opportunity to save afterwards.

I always thought that it had to do with EMS.

Now how can we apply this? I think it gives credit to the end being made up by Shepards memories. Sorry, but that is the best I can do right now. How about you? I will try and think this over.

I highly doubt EMS.  My EMS is ridiculous from MP anyway.  I'd say you're right, it's more of a "Shepard's subconscious is punishing him for being a douche" thing.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

There's also scenarios of the three states of matter that you rarely hear about because they don't happen on Earth. For instance water can solidify at extremely high pressure too. Check out Gliese 436 B, the planet of burning ice.

Yep. Exaclty. And since we're not really talking about earth here - but rather about all sort of places in the galaxy so why not? 

Life as we know it and as we think of it exists on earth because of the specific conditions here. 

Those contidions a extremly rare in the universe. 

But there all sorts of conditions that are plenty that we can't really imagine, (or don't want to because we can't live there.) / But that doesn't mean that there can't be life that can life in those conditions that we can't life in. The only thing we can tell for sure is that that hypothetical life will not be like anything we've seen and can imagine. (cause we don't really know how thing really work in those conditions we can't imagine) - it goes to the point that there is even a debate that in case if there even were such life, would we be even aver of each other should we meet, would we recognise the other as being alive and sentient? 
That is consering the real world.

Now. Mass Effect is fiction. 
Salaris is also fiction.
Both are based on scientific fact. 
Salaris has alive sentient ocean.
Who's to say Mass Effect can't have one? (and the argument "Because there is now such thing in real life!" is invalid before you even make it. Mass Effect is not real life.)
Doctor Who is fiction. It Has a Sentient Sun.
Who's to say Mass Effect can't have one?

And please remember that I do not advocate that Mass Effect DOES have Alive Oceans and Stars. I'm not saying OMG THE SUN IS ALIVE AND IT DID ALL!! THE SUN KILLED KAHOKU!!! Not at all. 

 

 

[ZerebusPrime]

paxxton wrote...

I guess the upper limit for temperature increase would be when the particles move at the speed of light.

To the extent of the physics knowledge I possess, it would have to be.
T = average kinetic energy of a given space/volume.
Kinetic energy where all molecules are vibrating/moving at the speed of light = (1/2)mc^2
E = mc^2
So in such a case, T = (1/2)E, or the total energy in the system is twice the temperature (E = 2T).
And I don't know where I'm going with this.  It's amusing, though.
I've forgotten pertinent special relativity facts that could alter the above equations.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 05 novembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

I guess the upper limit for temperature increase would be when the particles move at the speed of light.

And faster - and some say that is exaclty what happens in a black hole. 

[Iconoclaste]

byne wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

What's the fourth one?

Plasma

Kind thanks.

It's funny that it always comes last in the list, since it's the preponderant state of matter in the Universe!

And what about Bose-Einstein condensates, Fermionic condensates, superfluids and the likes? Do they also classify as "states" or "phases of matter"? Just reading some Wiki stuff now. Interesting, but still I wonder what Demersel had in mind for bringing this up.