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[Bill Casey]

Because he has a gambling problem...

[plfranke]

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

Is this true?

Near as I can tell.  I found the plot flag that determines whether the brat needs a nap or not, and it always set between the last opportunity to save before curing the genophage, and the first opportunity to save afterwards.

I always thought that it had to do with EMS.

Now how can we apply this? I think it gives credit to the end being made up by Shepards memories. Sorry, but that is the best I can do right now. How about you? I will try and think this over.

I highly doubt EMS.  My EMS is ridiculous from MP anyway.  I'd say you're right, it's more of a "Shepard's subconscious is punishing him for being a douche" thing.

So you're saying you have a full ems where star child says "Why are you here?"

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I don't take my scientific knowledge from movies.

Yes. For you it is Initially X-box Exclusive Games only. Right. 

LOL.

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
But I wonder why Stephen Hawkings bet 100$ with fellow scientists that they will not find the Higgs boson...

Maybe because he can afford to lose that bet, and the gesture looks grand and makes a great publicity story? 

Google "scientific wager" sometime.  Enjoy the education.

[Iconoclaste]

paxxton wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
But I wonder why Stephen Hawkings bet 100$ with fellow scientists that they will not find the Higgs boson...

He apparently lost it.

Did you get something I missed?

[Rifneno]

plfranke wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
So anyway, back on track... that line from Padok Wiks mentioned earlier? "Somewhere, deep in the fabric of reality, our actions are recorded and remembered. Yours will be remembered for eternity." That one. It's from the end of the Tuchanka mission where Shepard is given the choice on whether to let Wiks cure the genophage. Seems an odd line, doesn't it? Now consider this... whether you cured the genophage is what determines whether Starbinger is an ass to you at the end or if he's all polite.

Is this true?

Near as I can tell.  I found the plot flag that determines whether the brat needs a nap or not, and it always set between the last opportunity to save before curing the genophage, and the first opportunity to save afterwards.

I always thought that it had to do with EMS.

Now how can we apply this? I think it gives credit to the end being made up by Shepards memories. Sorry, but that is the best I can do right now. How about you? I will try and think this over.

I highly doubt EMS.  My EMS is ridiculous from MP anyway.  I'd say you're right, it's more of a "Shepard's subconscious is punishing him for being a douche" thing.

So you're saying you have a full ems where star child says "Why are you here?"

I didn't take it all the way to the end of the game each time just to test.  God, that would take forever.  I used Gibbed's datamined documents to look up the plot id that causes that branch in his dialogue.  Then I tested a bunch of saves and tried new stuff to see when that plot id was altered.

[ZerebusPrime]

401 Kill wrote...

@ZerebusPrime- The parallel between the kid and the cut dialogue between Anderson and Shepard is interesting. Wasn't it stated in the comics that Anderson did have a kid? If so, this gives it even more credit to the conversation being in Shepards mind. It's how he "idolizes" Anderson to be.

I'd bet that the dialog was removed because it would have been a solid giveaway that what we were seeing at the end of the game wasn't lining up with established facts.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
But I wonder why Stephen Hawkings bet 100$ with fellow scientists that they will not find the Higgs boson...

Maybe because he can afford to lose that bet, and the gesture looks grand and makes a great publicity story? 

Google "scientific wager" sometime.  Enjoy the education.

Google "Porn". Enjoy the sensation. . 

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
But I wonder why Stephen Hawkings bet 100$ with fellow scientists that they will not find the Higgs boson...

Maybe because he can afford to lose that bet, and the gesture looks grand and makes a great publicity story? 

Google "scientific wager" sometime.  Enjoy the education.

Google "Porn". Enjoy the sensation. . 

Good idea!  Be back in 20 guys.

[Iconoclaste]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

@ZerebusPrime- The parallel between the kid and the cut dialogue between Anderson and Shepard is interesting. Wasn't it stated in the comics that Anderson did have a kid? If so, this gives it even more credit to the conversation being in Shepards mind. It's how he "idolizes" Anderson to be.

I'd bet that the dialog was removed because it would have been a solid giveaway that what we were seeing at the end of the game wasn't lining up with established facts.

Or maybe if Anderson revealed to Shepard that he was in fact his father, this would have hinted too much towards another franchise?... 

[paxxton]

Iconoclaste wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
But I wonder why Stephen Hawkings bet 100$ with fellow scientists that they will not find the Higgs boson...

He apparently lost it.

Did you get something I missed?

The last time I checked CERN announced that they'd found a particle with properties (energy state?) similar to the Higgs boson. IIRC Hawking himself acknowledged he lost 100 bucks.

[Home run MF]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

@ZerebusPrime- The parallel between the kid and the cut dialogue between Anderson and Shepard is interesting. Wasn't it stated in the comics that Anderson did have a kid? If so, this gives it even more credit to the conversation being in Shepards mind. It's how he "idolizes" Anderson to be.

I'd bet that the dialog was removed because it would have been a solid giveaway that what we were seeing at the end of the game wasn't lining up with established facts.

Nowhere in the comics or the books it's established Anderson has kids. In fact it's the contrary, when Anderson fills for divorce his lawyer tells him it would have been a nightmare if he had kids.

[401 Kill]

SwobyJ wrote...



. It's damn clear that the ending IS a mind-f*** and we're MEANT to understand that the Mass Effect story isn't done yet, even if the story focus (aka Shepard's Story) is done with ME3.

I cringe whenever I read things like this. We still have no idea what is happening to Shepard after Destroy. I'm all fine and dandy with Shepards story being completed, but it is currently not completed. I am fine if Shepards story arc is completed, but we are not there yet. I weep at ME4 not having Shepard without finishing his story. That will be a disappointment that I will not be able to overcome.

[Iconoclaste]

paxxton wrote...
The last time I checked CERN announced that they'd found a particle with properties (energy state?) similar to the Higgs boson. IIRC Hawking himself acknowledged he lost 100 bucks.

I got this on Wiki :

"So far the observations are consistent with the observed particle being the Standard Model Higgs boson. The particle decays into at least some of the predicted channels. Moreover, the production rates and branching ratios for the observed channels match the predictions by the Standard Model within the experimental uncertainties.However, the experimental uncertainties currently still leave room for alternative explanations. It is therefore too early to conclude that the found particle is indeed the Standard Model Higgs.

Further confirmation will require more precise data on some of the characteristic of the new particle, including its other decay channels and various quantum numbers such as its parity. To allow for further data gathering, the current LHC proton-proton collision run has been extended by seven weeks, delaying the planned long shutdown for upgrades in 2013. It is hoped that this extra data will allow a more conclusive statement on the nature of the new particle in December."

Maybe I'm not reading well, but I think they reasonably hold their enthusiasm, at least it looks like it. Where did you read something more affirmative of the discovery?

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 05 novembre 2012 - 03:27 .

[demersel]

401 Kill wrote...

I cringe whenever I read things like this. We still have no idea what is happening to Shepard after Destroy. I'm all fine and dandy with Shepards story being completed, but it is currently not completed. I am fine if Shepards story arc is completed, but we are not there yet. I weep at ME4 not having Shepard without finishing his story. That will be a disappointment that I will not be able to overcome.

Relax - ME3 is not done until the DLC cycle is done. 

[401 Kill]

Home run MF wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
@ZerebusPrime- The parallel between the kid and the cut dialogue between Anderson and Shepard is interesting. Wasn't it stated in the comics that Anderson did have a kid? If so, this gives it even more credit to the conversation being in Shepards mind. It's how he "idolizes" Anderson to be.

I'd bet that the dialog was removed because it would have been a solid giveaway that what we were seeing at the end of the game wasn't lining up with established facts.

Nowhere in the comics or the books it's established Anderson has kids. In fact it's the contrary, when Anderson fills for divorce his lawyer tells him it would have been a nightmare if he had kids.

Ah, thank you for clearing this up! He techniquenly had a family though.

[Bill Casey]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
But I wonder why Stephen Hawkings bet 100$ with fellow scientists that they will not find the Higgs boson...

Maybe because he can afford to lose that bet, and the gesture looks grand and makes a great publicity story? 

Google "scientific wager" sometime.  Enjoy the education.

Google Hawkings track record on such bets...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 novembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[401 Kill]

demersel wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

I cringe whenever I read things like this. We still have no idea what is happening to Shepard after Destroy. I'm all fine and dandy with Shepards story being completed, but it is currently not completed. I am fine if Shepards story arc is completed, but we are not there yet. I weep at ME4 not having Shepard without finishing his story. That will be a disappointment that I will not be able to overcome.

Relax - ME3 is not done until the DLC cycle is done. 

I can only hope so .

[paxxton]

Iconoclaste wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The last time I checked CERN announced that they'd found a particle with properties (energy state?) similar to the Higgs boson. IIRC Hawking himself acknowledged he lost 100 bucks.

I got this on Wiki :

"So far the observations are consistent with the observed particle being the Standard Model Higgs boson. The particle decays into at least some of the predicted channels. Moreover, the production rates and branching ratios for the observed channels match the predictions by the Standard Model within the experimental uncertainties.However, the experimental uncertainties currently still leave room for alternative explanations. It is therefore too early to conclude that the found particle is indeed the Standard Model Higgs.

Further confirmation will require more precise data on some of the characteristic of the new particle, including its other decay channels and various quantum numbers such as its parity. To allow for further data gathering, the current LHC proton-proton collision run has been extended by seven weeks, delaying the planned long shutdown for upgrades in 2013. It is hoped that this extra data will allow a more conclusive statement on the nature of the new particle in December."

Maybe I'm not reading well, but I think they reasonably hold their enthusiasm, at least it looks like it. Where did you read something more affirmative of the discovery?

Well, it was in their initial announcement on YT. But I know that there were some doubts afterwards and hence the extended experimentation period. The more data they gather, the narrower the window for the particle to be confirmed or denied as the Higgs boson will become.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 novembre 2012 - 03:36 .

[Andromidius]

Best motivator to get someone to do something is to tell them its impossible.

Hense Hawking tells other scientists they won't find it, and bets money on it. So they set out to prove they can. Its a very smart move by him, even if he doubted it existed to begin with. Being right is secondary to scientific discovery.

And yeah, the Quantum Entanglement thing. I guess its like pulling a taut string - even if its moving extremely slowly it still acts on all points (nearly) instantly. Thus if you create a device with hundreds of such 'strings' that reads different movements as code you have instantaneous communication with any point in the galaxy.

And I suppose its possible to even have multi-way communication if there is a relay system connecting them all that can then copy the message to its destination. Sort of like a spider web in design. You're always in contact with the relay hub, not the person you're communicating to.

[Dwailing]

Huh, so the genophage choice affects Star-Brat's dialogue? That's... very interesting. Someone should do a playthrough where they don't cure the genophage.