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paxxton wrote...

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fr.twitter.com/GambleMike/status/231648298711269376 that was meee!!!11

this definately needs to be looked into further, i cant decide if he was avoiding the question or if what he was saying has some meaning to it. if anybody has any suggestions, ill tweet the reply to try and get an answer

This is what showed up in the center of the screen. I assume you mean the post below that. Posted Image

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Gundam Wing byne. I thought you of all people will know what I was talking about.

But I guess I was wrong. And if I was left standing like Shepard, then my Shepard is my enemy in the Breath scene because he is still alive.


You hate Shepard because s/he is living?

He's just acting like a nutcase again.


Paxxton you don't want an crazy Krogan to come at you now.:D^_^

Paxxton has a carnifex, so you're screwed.

And Biotic Charge, Nova and Shockwave. Posted Image + Geth Plasma Rifle


Typhoon, and regeer Carbin, that's what I have, and my claymore M-300.:D

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hmm why does the water of the Citadel Tower has the reflection of clouds, and maybe a tree or building?
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and why does it look a bit like Eden Prime?
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Actually, I always get Predators instead of Carnifexes in MP packs. Oh well...

Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 05:12 .


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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

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Can someone speculate with me about the keepers?
Byne's post about them got me thinking, what keeps them in check? What tells them what to do, I assume they are not immortal, how do they reproduce?
It would make sense for them to be Rachni because it would mean that somewhere in the citadel there is a queen singing the sour yellow note to them.


They also self destruct when someone tries to examine/capture them. Something like that, at least.
Also if they're programmed to wait for a signal, what else are they programmed to do that we don't know about?


Thats what those backpacks are for, and radio receivers.

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masster blaster wrote...

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Home run MF wrote...

Can someone speculate with me about the keepers?
Byne's post about them got me thinking, what keeps them in check? What tells them what to do, I assume they are not immortal, how do they reproduce?
It would make sense for them to be Rachni because it would mean that somewhere in the citadel there is a queen singing the sour yellow note to them.


They also self destruct when someone tries to examine/capture them.


unless you do the misson in ME1 that requiers you to scan the Keepers.

Yes. Why chorban was the only one to not only consider scanning the keepers, but also act on it per shepard's help when the rest of the citadel makes it illegal to interact with them is strange..

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Home run MF wrote...

Can someone speculate with me about the keepers?
Byne's post about them got me thinking, what keeps them in check? What tells them what to do, I assume they are not immortal, how do they reproduce?
It would make sense for them to be Rachni because it would mean that somewhere in the citadel there is a queen singing the sour yellow note to them.


If you did the Scan the Keepers mission in ME1, Chorban emails you in ME2 saying that based on his findings he believes the Keepers were engineered millions of years ago, by the same people who made the Sovereign.

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Is anyone hoping to Harbinger will make an appearance in Leviathian? I doubt he wil but you never know.....I'm just killing time really since it's taking a long time to download DA: O DLCs.

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so no suggestions? alright ill think of something

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paxxton wrote...

Actually, I always get Predators instead of Carnifexes in MP packs. Oh well...

Don't buy the cheap ones.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

hmm why does the water of the Citadel Tower has the reflection of clouds, and maybe a tree or building?
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http://thundermods.n...th/reflect1.png
http://thundermods.n...th/reflect2.png

and why does it look a bit like Eden Prime?
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You know something, it looks to me that there is a reflection of a Reaper in the water, where Shepard's nosie is pointing at.

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HyperGlass wrote...

Is anyone hoping to Harbinger will make an appearance in Leviathian? I doubt he wil but you never know.....I'm just killing time really since it's taking a long time to download DA: O DLCs.

Dunno. Maybe the same as in the EC. Posted Image

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masster blaster wrote...

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Well just to make it clear if Chris, or any Bioware staff, or a mod got orders to lock down IT, they should have done it on the day it was born. Yet they allow us to live, in which case we still have Biowares support, in case, they may need a last gamble, or card for ME3.

The bottem line is that Chris wants us to speculate and that's good enof from me. I have been watching gundam wing and I already found out who I am and what I have to do, so new comers that were lukers I am glad IT has you. And to Smokingotter please come back I need my otter buddy back. Their is no MB withouy my Otter.

And that goes for the rest of us that got to know you. Chris can get mad all we want about this being off topic, but we are a family on this thread and that means we stand by eachother as one.

And I agree that we can't just declare people this and that, and we do need a breaking ground for IT, if we want the new people of BSN, or BSN itself to understand the key points of IT. As well as the minor key points of IT.

I don't know what Biowares plans are, but all I know is. So long as we have one Bioware staff member supporting IT. I think we are still alive. But I also think Chris likes IT so much and does not want to be forced to shut down IT because of our speculations, as well as our friendships we have made with one another.


otter come back.



Basster Blaster, you know what? I f*cking hate your totalitarianism. Really, I do. "If they're not against us, then that means they must be with us" is a retarded logic to use when it comes to corporations and companies.

Also, antagonizing the creator of Mass Efect is just stupid.


I am pointing out the fact that it was his chose to do this, and everything that has happened is because of his chose to do this.. He has the power to end everything, but he does not. i don't hate Casey, I just want him to come out and explain things that's all.

And I am just trying to be positive about Bioware being wiht us. It's not idael, but it's better than nothing.

Casey Hudson does not end it because he, quite frankly, probably doesn't give a flying sh*t about what we want. He wants speculations, and ITers are supplying him with it.

It doesn't matter if you're being optimistic or not, your thesis is wrong.

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masster blaster wrote...

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And Biotic Charge, Nova and Shockwave. Posted Image + Geth Plasma Rifle


Typhoon, and regeer Carbin, that's what I have, and my claymore M-300.:D


First off, if we're talking MP, shockwave is entirely pointless on a human vanguard. Entirely pointless.

Second, whether or not we're talking MP, you only get one shotgun at a time masster.

And a novaguard is still going to beat a krogan everytime no matter what shotgun he has.

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Actually, I always get Predators instead of Carnifexes in MP packs. Oh well...

Don't buy the cheap ones.

I get others but from the 2 pistols I get the one associated with Destroy even though I chose Control. Posted Image

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

fr.twitter.com/GambleMike/status/231648298711269376 that was meee!!!11

this definately needs to be looked into further, i cant decide if he was avoiding the question or if what he was saying has some meaning to it. if anybody has any suggestions, ill tweet the reply to try and get an answer

This is what showed up in the center of the screen. I assume you mean the post below that. Posted Image

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Gundam Wing byne. I thought you of all people will know what I was talking about.

But I guess I was wrong. And if I was left standing like Shepard, then my Shepard is my enemy in the Breath scene because he is still alive.


You hate Shepard because s/he is living?

He's just acting like a nutcase again.


Paxxton you don't want an crazy Krogan to come at you now.:D^_^

Paxxton has a carnifex, so you're screwed.

And Biotic Charge, Nova and Shockwave. Posted Image + Geth Plasma Rifle


Typhoon, and regeer Carbin, that's what I have, and my claymore M-300.:D

I have the cain. You both lose.

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paxxton wrote...

Actually, I always get Predators instead of Carnifexes in MP packs. Oh well...

The predator is actually my only level 10 weapon currently.
They could have just given me a spud gun...

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Can someone speculate with me about the keepers?
Byne's post about them got me thinking, what keeps them in check? What tells them what to do, I assume they are not immortal, how do they reproduce?
It would make sense for them to be Rachni because it would mean that somewhere in the citadel there is a queen singing the sour yellow note to them.


They also self destruct when someone tries to examine/capture them.


unless you do the misson in ME1 that requiers you to scan the Keepers.

Yes. Why chorban was the only one to not only consider scanning the keepers, but also act on it per shepard's help when the rest of the citadel makes it illegal to interact with them is strange..


Didnt someone in ME3 say that indoctrinated human leaders on Earth were passing laws against interfering with Reaper operations?

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I was born in Germany and the UK at the same time. That beats everyone.


Shroedinger's Foetus?

I didn't exist until I was observed, so quantum foetus!

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Can someone speculate with me about the keepers?
Byne's post about them got me thinking, what keeps them in check? What tells them what to do, I assume they are not immortal, how do they reproduce?
It would make sense for them to be Rachni because it would mean that somewhere in the citadel there is a queen singing the sour yellow note to them.


They also self destruct when someone tries to examine/capture them. Something like that, at least.
Also if they're programmed to wait for a signal, what else are they programmed to do that we don't know about?


What if this access new areas of the citadel lets us see the real heart of it? 
Also if the Protheans modified them, how did they do it? They must've have access to that area of the citadel.

Modifié par Home run MF, 04 août 2012 - 05:20 .


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Basically, ITers and their associates (that means WNTers) are the only one who are doing exactly that Bioware wanted all the time.

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byne wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Can someone speculate with me about the keepers?
Byne's post about them got me thinking, what keeps them in check? What tells them what to do, I assume they are not immortal, how do they reproduce?
It would make sense for them to be Rachni because it would mean that somewhere in the citadel there is a queen singing the sour yellow note to them.


They also self destruct when someone tries to examine/capture them.


unless you do the misson in ME1 that requiers you to scan the Keepers.

Yes. Why chorban was the only one to not only consider scanning the keepers, but also act on it per shepard's help when the rest of the citadel makes it illegal to interact with them is strange..


Didnt someone in ME3 say that indoctrinated human leaders on Earth were passing laws against interfering with Reaper operations?

No, it was implied by Anderson that it will happen, but it's not explicitly stated that it's really the case.

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

And Biotic Charge, Nova and Shockwave. Posted Image + Geth Plasma Rifle


Typhoon, and regeer Carbin, that's what I have, and my claymore M-300.:D


First off, if we're talking MP, shockwave is entirely pointless on a human vanguard. Entirely pointless.

Second, whether or not we're talking MP, you only get one shotgun at a time masster.

And a novaguard is still going to beat a krogan everytime no matter what shotgun he has.

Shockwave is totally indispensable. I use it a lot to throw Banshees, Brutes and Atlases off balance and then pack them with bullets.

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well just to make it clear if Chris, or any Bioware staff, or a mod got orders to lock down IT, they should have done it on the day it was born. Yet they allow us to live, in which case we still have Biowares support, in case, they may need a last gamble, or card for ME3.

The bottem line is that Chris wants us to speculate and that's good enof from me. I have been watching gundam wing and I already found out who I am and what I have to do, so new comers that were lukers I am glad IT has you. And to Smokingotter please come back I need my otter buddy back. Their is no MB withouy my Otter.

And that goes for the rest of us that got to know you. Chris can get mad all we want about this being off topic, but we are a family on this thread and that means we stand by eachother as one.

And I agree that we can't just declare people this and that, and we do need a breaking ground for IT, if we want the new people of BSN, or BSN itself to understand the key points of IT. As well as the minor key points of IT.

I don't know what Biowares plans are, but all I know is. So long as we have one Bioware staff member supporting IT. I think we are still alive. But I also think Chris likes IT so much and does not want to be forced to shut down IT because of our speculations, as well as our friendships we have made with one another.


otter come back.



Basster Blaster, you know what? I f*cking hate your totalitarianism. Really, I do. "If they're not against us, then that means they must be with us" is a retarded logic to use when it comes to corporations and companies.

Also, antagonizing the creator of Mass Efect is just stupid.


I am pointing out the fact that it was his chose to do this, and everything that has happened is because of his chose to do this.. He has the power to end everything, but he does not. i don't hate Casey, I just want him to come out and explain things that's all.

And I am just trying to be positive about Bioware being wiht us. It's not idael, but it's better than nothing.

Casey Hudson does not end it because he, quite frankly, probably doesn't give a flying sh*t about what we want. He wants speculations, and ITers are supplying him with it.

It doesn't matter if you're being optimistic or not, your thesis is wrong.


Is it. Is it right not to be pissed off at Casey for what happened, and I really don't care about what he wants either. If he really want's us to speculate, then he has to come on the BSN, and face the music of the fans, He had evey chance to tell us what happened, and he could have at least given us a heads up on the endings before ME3 was released.

But As I said I don't hate Casey, but I want answers from him, even thought he may not give a s*** about us, I want answers, as does everyone else.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

Let me toss out an idea here really quickly... Why do we need proof for a theory we strongly believe in that we feel there has been enough evidence for us to back it, particularly when it's the unpopular and even discriminated against belief? Doesn't mean we are not right or justified. I recall some horrible moments in history when certain now well respected scientists were labeled heretics for saying we were not center of the universe or whatever other examples there were that my tired mind cannot recall at this moment. Who cares if BW justifies our beliefs. Just makes us renegades and stronger for holding to unpopular beliefs that even the company who set them forth from minute one and didn't stop there denied in the end.

People read classic literature and are constantly coming up with unique interpretations and insights into what was written. But nobody is around to say no other than current followers of said literature. They don't get the approval. They may even be seen quite negatively because they don't conform to current doctrine. Our society runs on current doctrine. I look around and see indoctrinated people everywhere who think and believe whatever media and those around them tell them to believe. I've been that way and found pure misery and only in finding my own way and being more of a nonconformist renegade have I achieved peace of mind and a strong sense of self that nobody can undo.

So who cares what BW releases or says or what others believe or say. What matters more to you? Your beliefs based on the knowledge you have and how you obtained it or what the masses say when most of them are sheeple who take whatever they are told and go with it?

Sorry for my boldness, especially when I'm so new here, but seems like people are getting down because some sissy corporates are going the sissy corporate route which they most always do. True innovators like Steve Jobs are the ones who get the prize in the end. ME is microsoft linked, is it not? Microsoft had done nothing innovative and even stole from Steve Jobs yet who made the comeback and had to tenacity to revolutionize the industry in ways Gates only dreams of. And in the end Jobs was vindicated and proven to be a genius. Not saying we'll ever get anything like that, but Jobs was the underdog renegade in a world filled with unoriginal thinkers. His mark in history is pretty damn firm just like those labeled heretics.

So do you need new DLC to help you feel better in what you believe and know to be true FOR YOU.... YOUR TRUTH! We're not the majority, but look around and see what the majority is these days. Sheeple. Wish it weren't so, but everywhere I go there it is. So who cares what some developer from BW posts or what some DLC proves or disproves? The groundwork for IT has already been laid and they can't go back and change it though they are trying to rewrite it now as we post. Their loss. Going the Gates way, but Jobs was the true genius.


Because IT allows not only for parts of the final scenes being hallucinations, it allows for the whole ending to be a hallucination. That means the Reapers were never really defeated. And that in return means that we might've never actually 'taken back Earth' -- meaning that we maybe never really finished the game.

The way the ending is constricted it simply allows that to be the case. That is not only an interpretation. That is a major part of the story might be fake. And not having a DLC giving us something to tell us whether that's really the case or not, this is highly worrying to me.

This is not a question whether Deckard is a replicant or not -- something like that doesn't change a major part of the story -- it's a whether we actually did what we were supposed and promised to do. That's bigger and does need a confirmation of denial in some form.

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byne wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

unless you do the misson in ME1 that requiers you to scan the Keepers.

Yes. Why chorban was the only one to not only consider scanning the keepers, but also act on it per shepard's help when the rest of the citadel makes it illegal to interact with them is strange..


Didnt someone in ME3 say that indoctrinated human leaders on Earth were passing laws against interfering with Reaper operations?

It was actually EDI telling Shepard that Reapers were calling for all human leaders to board their ships to negotiate, and they both believed that it would lead what you said. I'm not sure if anyone actually went through with it, I don't think we ever found out.

Edit: Or what Megumi said. Fuzzy details are fuzzy.

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 04 août 2012 - 05:20 .