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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Shepard?

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Wrex.

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Tali.



Goodnight!

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So let me get this straight. People doubt that the child says " Why are you here?" Is actually is innocorrect. It does say it if you War Assets / your weak willpower will present you with on chocie not refuse. Just either Control and Destroy.

Now what's funnt about this is because the brat is very angry at Shepard. Even if you pick Control he hates Shepard, and speaking about Control how does it play out in low EMS or did I miss something.

Anyways if you don't cure the Genophage I think the brat says in Synthesis you can, butif that's the case, then I facepalm to that because Mordins death was pointless if you think literaly because I just had to wait fir the end, oh hey Legion could have also survived, but no.

Also guys what if some of the slides that they don't show you about your squad are dead. Depending on your chocies throught ME1-ME3 will determind who will live, and who will die?

It's only a thought but, I will say this why is it that in Synthesis it shows the Turians not the Asari? Is there something Bioware is telling us? Because in Destroy, and Control you see Asari, not Turians.

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Well, I'm off for the night. I'll see you all later.

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Wait it just hit me! Saren=Synthesi=Turians in the Synthesis ending.
Hello Bioware could/may have been telling us that " Hey guys what about those Turians you saw instead of the Asari getting all Synthesisfid and...Oh ya that's right didn't Saren a TURIAN wanted Synthesis too?"

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Dwailing wrote...

Huh, so the genophage choice affects Star-Brat's dialogue? That's... very interesting. Someone should do a playthrough where they don't cure the genophage.


I can't do that to wrex. I would have to sabotage the entire series. Maybe I'll do a Ruthless run. I've tried but I hate renegade options. Some are appropriate, but some are just... ruthless. I guess I could give it a try after this. Make a new character, make her ruthless. Do the ruthless characters seem different in the beginning? Mindoir would be likely for history or earthborn. Those would make a person ruthless. I just didn't like the whole 'got her whole team killed' thing. That they put that in there for a spectre candidate is strange unless it was one of those difficult choices we've discussed. But even then calling that character ruthless implies otherwise.

Eh, when I'm in a bad mood I'll do a wicked run and see how much damage I can do... let's see:

ME1
kill wrex or let ash kill wrex
kill everyone on feros
Maybe let Ashley live for once. Curious to see if I can get her on my team... she was horrible in ME2 on Virmire.

ME2
Only a few loyalty missions so kill most of my crew
Save the base
destroy maelons data and don't do any missions on turchunka - so maelon and grunt are dead and eve dies.
Rewrite heretics but save legion
Tali for treason

ME3
Stop genophage cure
Choose Geth over quarians
don't save the admiral
Maybe let garrus kill ash for kicks, don't really need her.
No leviathan assets
No prothean - skeleton crew of four

How's that for sabatoge? Did I miss anything?

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Star don't talk to your squad at all only if you have to for missions not after or anything. Also um let a few live in ME 2 because your Shepard will die and you can't bring his/her import in ME3 because She is dead.

Also don't upgrade the Normandy or do any side quest in ME1 and ME2/ME3.

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Oh and Starlit don't save Kal Regger on recruting tali, and also don't do any dlc's for all ME's.

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masster blaster wrote...

It's only a thought but, I will say this why is it that in Synthesis it shows the Turians not the Asari? Is there something Bioware is telling us? Because in Destroy, and Control you see Asari, not Turians.


I'm going with my theory that the themes during the war match here and the Turians are seen in synthesis because they were part of the genocide which was linked to the uplifting. So they are linked to synthesis - meddling with the natural order and DNA.

The Asari aren't linked to any of these themes. It's just geth, quarians, turians, salarians and krogan. Asari kept all information to themselves to maintain power and even wealth as is mentioned when you're on illium. They seemed to have stayed out of everything aside from hoarding power.

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masster blaster wrote...

Star don't talk to your squad at all only if you have to for missions not after or anything. Also um let a few live in ME 2 because your Shepard will die and you can't bring his/her import in ME3 because She is dead.

Also don't upgrade the Normandy or do any side quest in ME1 and ME2/ME3.


You should only save Thane and Legion in the suicide mission, and i heard that zaeed can survive even if not loyal, so you could save zaeed and another squadmate then kill zaeed in his loyalty mission

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Oh and kill Kirrha on Virmir it's option, or or don't save Thane in ME2/do loyalty mission. So Kirrha can take Thanes place and die. Also don't do Mirandas Loyalty mission either, she could also die in ME3 which so happence to be onthe Citadel in ME3.

Also don't get Zaeed or Kasumi because they help you in ME3 TO GET ASSETS/ don't scan planets or just do nothing put go full renegade.

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Goodnight Dwailing!

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Saving the Quarians would fit better with that playthrough. Remaining racist against synthetics and supporting the race that tried to enslave then kill them. It would show that Shep hasn't learned a damn thing.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 novembre 2012 - 05:30 .


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starlitegirlx wrote...

Maybe let garrus kill ash for kicks, don't really need her.

How's that for sabatoge? Did I miss anything?


>Having Garrus alive in a deliberately awful run

The correct thing to do is make sure only Mordin and Miranda survive. You will shoot Mordin and not ever talk to Miranda, which will cause her to die. Be rude to Ash on Mars in ME3, and never talk to her in the hospital so that she doesnt trust you, then shoot her yourself. Your entire ME2 crew, as well as most of your ME1 crew will be dead.

If you pick up Javik (which you should, to make sure as many people die due to your **** ups as possible) make sure he looks at the memory shard so that he'll kill himself after the war.

Do a low EMS ending, taking James and Liara with you to be vaporized on the beam run, and choose destroy, which theoretically will kill EDI. Your ME3 crew is now dead too.

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Oh and make Udina Counciler in ME1. Now that I would pay to see you do. I can't because after what happened in ME3 for him no.

Also let the Councile die.

Also don't do any Paragon things/ don't click on the flash Paragon options.

Also be a jerik to everyone you meet.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Goodnight Dwailing!

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Saving the Quarians would fit better with that playthrough. Remaining racist against synthetics and supporting the race that tried to enslave then kill them. It would show that Shep hasn't learned a damn thing.


If starlite is trying to do the worst run possible, and kill the most people, saving the geth is the way to go. You kill the quarians on Rannoch and then wipe the geth out with destroy.

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Dwailing wrote...

Huh, so the genophage choice affects Star-Brat's dialogue? That's... very interesting. Someone should do a playthrough where they don't cure the genophage.


I can't do that to wrex. I would have to sabotage the entire series. Maybe I'll do a Ruthless run. I've tried but I hate renegade options. Some are appropriate, but some are just... ruthless. I guess I could give it a try after this. Make a new character, make her ruthless. Do the ruthless characters seem different in the beginning? Mindoir would be likely for history or earthborn. Those would make a person ruthless. I just didn't like the whole 'got her whole team killed' thing. That they put that in there for a spectre candidate is strange unless it was one of those difficult choices we've discussed. But even then calling that character ruthless implies otherwise.

Eh, when I'm in a bad mood I'll do a wicked run and see how much damage I can do... let's see:

ME1
kill wrex or let ash kill wrex
kill everyone on feros
Maybe let Ashley live for once. Curious to see if I can get her on my team... she was horrible in ME2 on Virmire.

ME2
Only a few loyalty missions so kill most of my crew
Save the base
destroy maelons data and don't do any missions on turchunka - so maelon and grunt are dead and eve dies.
Rewrite heretics but save legion
Tali for treason

ME3
Stop genophage cure
Choose Geth over quarians
don't save the admiral
Maybe let garrus kill ash for kicks, don't really need her.
No leviathan assets
No prothean - skeleton crew of four

How's that for sabatoge? Did I miss anything?


Oh, and if by some miracle you manage to get enough EMS to get good Destroy, it´ll be really depressing how the memorial turns out with only Joker

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I just noticed that the first nightmare had no oily shadows and no voices while the second one has oily shadows and Mordin/Ashley with some background whispers. The third, IIRC, is loaded with oily shadows and lots of voices. Though I wonder if it will change since I'm making a lot of renegade responses the run for strength/will.

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byne wrote...

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Goodnight Dwailing!

@starlitegirlx

Saving the Quarians would fit better with that playthrough. Remaining racist against synthetics and supporting the race that tried to enslave then kill them. It would show that Shep hasn't learned a damn thing.


If starlite is trying to do the worst run possible, and kill the most people, saving the geth is the way to go. You kill the quarians on Rannoch and then wipe the geth out with destroy.


Oh, I was thinking of a very Renegade run, not the kill everyone run Posted Image

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Oh and be a jerk to EDI in ME2 and ME3. Also don't get EDI and Joker together. The one thing I did was get them together. Uh wait a minute in Synthesis they hug eachother, yet in Control they don't weird.

Also don't go save your ME2 crew when the Collectors take them.

Let them all die, and send I can't remember who but let Docter C die as well as the squad mate you ordered.

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Dwailing wrote...

Huh, so the genophage choice affects Star-Brat's dialogue? That's... very interesting. Someone should do a playthrough where they don't cure the genophage.


I can't do that to wrex. I would have to sabotage the entire series. Maybe I'll do a Ruthless run. I've tried but I hate renegade options. Some are appropriate, but some are just... ruthless. I guess I could give it a try after this. Make a new character, make her ruthless. Do the ruthless characters seem different in the beginning? Mindoir would be likely for history or earthborn. Those would make a person ruthless. I just didn't like the whole 'got her whole team killed' thing. That they put that in there for a spectre candidate is strange unless it was one of those difficult choices we've discussed. But even then calling that character ruthless implies otherwise.

Eh, when I'm in a bad mood I'll do a wicked run and see how much damage I can do... let's see:

ME1
kill wrex or let ash kill wrex
kill everyone on feros
Maybe let Ashley live for once. Curious to see if I can get her on my team... she was horrible in ME2 on Virmire.

ME2
Only a few loyalty missions so kill most of my crew
Save the base
destroy maelons data and don't do any missions on turchunka - so maelon and grunt are dead and eve dies.
Rewrite heretics but save legion
Tali for treason

ME3
Stop genophage cure
Choose Geth over quarians
don't save the admiral
Maybe let garrus kill ash for kicks, don't really need her.
No leviathan assets
No prothean - skeleton crew of four

How's that for sabatoge? Did I miss anything?


Oh, and if by some miracle you manage to get enough EMS to get good Destroy, it´ll be really depressing how the memorial turns out with only Joker


I have just shy of 3k in war assets from promotes. If I just get some fetch quests and the geth, I might be able to pull it off. Not sure though. I'll have  to see. Just before resolving the genocide, I had around 3800 and I was only at 87%. So I could pretty much kill every race in the galaxy and do some fetch quests and still not have the lowest ems unless I avoid MP for a month or more. At a certain point it drops much slower. I'll have to see though.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

I just noticed that the first nightmare had no oily shadows and no voices while the second one has oily shadows and Mordin/Ashley with some background whispers. The third, IIRC, is loaded with oily shadows and lots of voices. Though I wonder if it will change since I'm making a lot of renegade responses the run for strength/will.


nah, they will probably stay the same doesn´t matter if you´re paragon or renegade, more oily shadows means more indoctrination advancement

Also in my last play, i noticed that Thane´s voice appears in the dreams saying the word he tells to you when you romance him

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Blurr " Will kill them all." Spartacus.

But Starlit Udina counciler in ME1

Don't become a specter at all, it's possible.

Also you can turn down Garrus and Tail, and be an ahole to Anderson and allways side with Cerberus. Let Cerberus have Legion, and Grunt. Let the world burn. Also let Rana live, and don't help Zuhs hope, and kill them all.

You know what starting next week I am going to do that.

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byne wrote...

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Goodnight Dwailing!

@starlitegirlx

Saving the Quarians would fit better with that playthrough. Remaining racist against synthetics and supporting the race that tried to enslave then kill them. It would show that Shep hasn't learned a damn thing.


If starlite is trying to do the worst run possible, and kill the most people, saving the geth is the way to go. You kill the quarians on Rannoch and then wipe the geth out with destroy.


Oh, I was thinking of a very Renegade run, not the kill everyone run Posted Image


Or genocidal maniac... playing God with the galaxy. Kind of sounds fun and fast.

And just in case the playthrough is difficult, I can find the gibbed editor and change all my good decision to ruthless ones.

What does being horrible to edi accomplish? I've never done it but wondered what it would change...