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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So I guess this is were it ends doesn't it. We are all going our seperate ways. I will be honest for the past 8 months my life has changed meeting you guess has been a life changer for me and for that I thank you. I am saying goodbye to all of you that are leaving. I know it's not a final goodbye but I am sure you will forget to check with IT once and a while and soon forget about it.

I know I know you will say I won't but I am sure some of you will. So goodbye and the funny thing is I hate goodbyes.


Masster... I don't think anyone's leaving. I'm leaving to the Halo 4 launch tonight, that's all the leaving I'm doing. I'm certainly not leaving this thread, and I'll still be playing ME regularly. Just instead of my time being split between ME3 and BF3, I'll be adding Halo 4 into that.

I really don't think anyone's leaving.


OMG just when I was starting to worry Posted Image

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What if it isn't the harbinger that puts Shepard into a hallucinating/ illusian state? What if it is actully the human reaper in cronos? TIM did after all sayd not to overstay our welcome.....And Kai Leng was there really just to keep you busy...


That's be silly on a lot of different story telling levels.

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Speaking of updates from earlier, I started up origin and ME3 and an update is happening

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Here's a weird question. What if some of the glitches in the game are intential glitches?

Why would it be so?


Just thinking about the lost touch with reality Shepard could be having if he really is being indoctrinated.  I think of Eternal Darkness the GameCube game.

Eternal Darkness All Sanity Effects

While this game has some rather obvious, there are some that just are not as obvious.  The intention is to have the player feel what the character is going through  BioWare loves to provide things that are fairly nondescript but what if they programmed some on purpose to achieve some of the same results? Just the more obvious glitches.  I'm thinking of why would they do a wonderful job with background art, character design, everything but then forget some small detail that stands out that you just can't avoid seeing?


BTW I did whatever I could to not lose any sanity in this game because the more I lost the creepier the game became

However clever BioWare are, EA would've never ever allowed them to deliberately program glitches into a game. ME3 is still a product that is sold. 

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Cdm diffrent games for a while, but ya. To me it looks like the group won't fully come back until Omega trailer or when it comes out. Although I think some people will forget about us and IT and well just forget. It's human nature, and I have seen this before. When something new is coming out people will just move on.

Look at AC3 a good portion of ME fans went to the AC side.
Now when black ops2 comes out the mp ME fans/ COD ones will go play their call of duty. And now we have Halo and now another good portion of ME fans will go back to halo.

So if you look at it ME will not be talked about for a long time, and the BSN will be quiet and so will the IT thread.

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@masster

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masster blaster wrote...

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Okay here it goes.
Shepard's burnt *** armor and blood is His/Her willpower/ Indoctrinated part of him/herself.

The dead body's near you Shepard are his/her willpower, but minor willpower.

Now when you fight the the three Husk, and Shields, that's the Indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind. It's small, but not as big.

Now the reason why everything seems blurry is because Shepard's mind is clouded.

The
reason why he/she can't go back is because the Reapers want Shepard to
enter his/her mind so they can get inside Shepard's closed mind ( The
Citadel).

Now when the cut scene shows Hackett it's actually a
Reaper talking. You see when Hackett get's a report from the After math
of the Conduit run. Hackett is actually pleased that someone got on to
the Citadel, but he is actually pleased that Shepard got up to the
Citadel ( His/her mind) and TIM ( Shepard Indoctrinated mind ) can now
force Shepard to submit to Indoctrination.

Now As we see the dead bodes in the hallway that's actually Shepard's gateway to his/her mind
breached. All that willpower is dead, and that's when we hear Anderson.
Shepard is done he/she can't go on, so Anderson ( The main core of
Shepard willpower) wakes him/her up to fight his/her mind against the
Reapers.

Now as we progress though Shepard mind we see things
that Shepard has seen in the past. Also when Anderson tells Shepard "
Maybe they are making a Reaper..." It could actually be that the Reapers
are turning Shepard into their image.


Okay so when we confront TIM, Anderson tells us that " They are Controlling YOU."

But TIM says " I don't think so.

Now
if TIM is Shepard's Indoctrinated mind then Anderson it telling Shepard
( TIM) That hello the Reapers are Controlling you. TIM denies it, and
we kill him.

Now when we talk to Anderson we are making peace with our other half.

Yet
when Shepard opens the Citadel his/her ( Mind) The Crucible ( The
Reapers Trojan Horse) managed to finally get into Shepard mind.

That's
why when we meet the Catalyst he aka Harbinger is telling Shepard "
Your the first one to have gotten this far, but Harbinger can't
Indoctrinate Shepard with force, so he finds a new solution.

Destroy
is Shepard Destroy the Reapers hold on him/her, but in the process
Shepard will die, unless you have good Galactic readiness (Shepard's readiness), and good EMS ( Shepard's willpower to fight)

Control is Shepard submitting to the Reapers, which causes them to slowly Indoctrinate Shepard.

Synthesis is rapid Indoctrination causing Shepard to quickly become Indoctrinate long enough for the Reaper plans to work.

Refuse is Shepard saying no to the Reapers He resisted Indoctrination, but in the process Shepard is broken.

Shepard's willpower is fighting the Reapers hence your fleets are fighting the fight, as well hammer/ the galaxy.

Okay
now as I was saying from my previous post when you see the Citadel get
damaged in Destroy, and Synthesis, the Reapers Destroy Shepard's mind.
Now for Control the Reapers don't Destroy Shepard's mind ( The Citadel)
and they now Control Shepard.

Now when we see the wave hit in
Destroy Shepard's willpower depending on you EMS/Assets your Shepard can
win the fight. Hence you see the two soldiers Shepard standing his/her
ground. Now as everyone is cheering the Reapers/ the Indoctrination
areas are being wiped out, hence the red or orange wave hits the reapers
and all its forces and they die.                 

The relays are
Shepard's nervous system and is sending the choice Shepard made and is
now processing the information, but it overloads Shepard's body, hence
the galaxy ( Shepard's body) is being targeted.

Now in Control
Everyone is cheering,yet something is not right. As the wave hits
everyone becomes infected with Indoctrination. Shepard's willpower
finally gives up and submits to the Reapers.

As for Synthesis no
body is cheering because the Reapers break through Shepard's body and
mind and now are changing his/her self.

Refuse is Shepard saying
no to the Reapers, and they leave Shepard, but Shepard becomes a
mindless husk. The Reapers pushed to far and broke Shepard.

Now for the Normandy scene is Shepard's last beacon of hope.
In Synthesis Shepard's friends/ last beacon of hope become infected with Indoctrination
Control the last beacon of hope ( the Normandy) becomes silently Indoctrinated unknowing it's been corrupted.
Destroy
keeps them from being Indoctrinated. As for EDi, and the geth, they are
actually Shepard's salvation. In other words Edi, and the geth dying is
what it takes for Shepard to fight the Indoctrination.

Refuse nothing but what I have said.

Now as we see the epilogues it's actually not the galaxy rebuilding, but Shepard.

In
Destroy there is hope, and Shepard's friends rebuild Shepard/ the
galaxy hence he/she wakes up because that little epilogue repaired
Shepard's mind.

For Control Shepard is being repaired by the
Reapers hence you see them doing all the work. They are getting Shepard
ready for his/her role in their plans.

Synthesis is Shepard's
willpower/the galaxy and his/her friends along with the Reapers
rebuilding Shepard. The problem with this is it's rapid Indoctrination
and the Reapers are using Shepard's friends/ the people of the galaxy
rebuild Shepard because they need him/her now more than ever because.
The Reapers are loosing the fight against the fleets, and ground forces.
:whistle::(



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BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So I guess this is were it ends doesn't it. We are all going our seperate ways. I will be honest for the past 8 months my life has changed meeting you guess has been a life changer for me and for that I thank you. I am saying goodbye to all of you that are leaving. I know it's not a final goodbye but I am sure you will forget to check with IT once and a while and soon forget about it.

I know I know you will say I won't but I am sure some of you will. So goodbye and the funny thing is I hate goodbyes.


Masster... I don't think anyone's leaving. I'm leaving to the Halo 4 launch tonight, that's all the leaving I'm doing. I'm certainly not leaving this thread, and I'll still be playing ME regularly. Just instead of my time being split between ME3 and BF3, I'll be adding Halo 4 into that.

I really don't think anyone's leaving.


We're only 5 days into the month and we already have a winner for most overly dramatic reaction of the month.

I dont know what masster is on about.

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Omg I just killed Kai Leng on Insanity... (Vanguard)

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paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Here's a weird question. What if some of the glitches in the game are intential glitches?

Why would it be so?


Just thinking about the lost touch with reality Shepard could be having if he really is being indoctrinated.  I think of Eternal Darkness the GameCube game.

Eternal Darkness All Sanity Effects

While this game has some rather obvious, there are some that just are not as obvious.  The intention is to have the player feel what the character is going through  BioWare loves to provide things that are fairly nondescript but what if they programmed some on purpose to achieve some of the same results? Just the more obvious glitches.  I'm thinking of why would they do a wonderful job with background art, character design, everything but then forget some small detail that stands out that you just can't avoid seeing?


BTW I did whatever I could to not lose any sanity in this game because the more I lost the creepier the game became

However clever BioWare are, EA would've never ever allowed them to deliberately program glitches into a game. ME3 is still a product that is sold. 


So what you're saying (based on the vid I was just watching about Choose Wisely) that EA would never allow BioWare to program the kid to not have any scratches, not be wearnig any ironed jacket and pants, not have any way of reaching various areas of Alliance HQ with no disternable path, not having any dirty clothes, not program little 2D sprites to run sideways all not on purpose, not survive a warzone, for a kid.  That's a lot for the hook catching impact of the introduction to have so many little bugs that just steals the fire of the intro

The Choose Wisely EP 1 Section I'm referring to starts here at 27:21

kid Starts Here Starts at 23:36

EDIT - added a couple of extra words

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 06 novembre 2012 - 05:31 .


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SwobyJ wrote...

Omg I just killed Kai Leng on Insanity... (Vanguard)


You're playing a vanguard. Playing insanity on a vanguard is like playing normal with anything else.

Of course, I'm assuming you understand how vanguards work, and arent doing anything silly like not having +200% recharge at all times. :D

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masster blaster wrote...

So I guess this is were it ends doesn't it. We are all going our seperate ways. I will be honest for the past 8 months my life has changed meeting you guess has been a life changer for me and for that I thank you. I am saying goodbye to all of you that are leaving. I know it's not a final goodbye but I am sure you will forget to check with IT once and a while and soon forget about it.

I know I know you will say I won't but I am sure some of you will. So goodbye and the funny thing is I hate goodbyes.


I wasn't trying to make fun of what you said, actually I fully agree with you, but now's not that time. it is not this day!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 06 novembre 2012 - 05:31 .


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Cdm diffrent games for a while, but ya. To me it looks like the group won't fully come back until Omega trailer or when it comes out. Although I think some people will forget about us and IT and well just forget. It's human nature, and I have seen this before. When something new is coming out people will just move on.

Look at AC3 a good portion of ME fans went to the AC side.
Now when black ops2 comes out the mp ME fans/ COD ones will go play their call of duty. And now we have Halo and now another good portion of ME fans will go back to halo.

So if you look at it ME will not be talked about for a long time, and the BSN will be quiet and so will the IT thread.


I'll be doing the same too in about 13 days for both hehe.  Though I can't play on it all day/night.  I'll still pop in and out cause this like my sig says "Is my favorite forum topic on the Citadel."

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masster blaster wrote...

So I guess this is were it ends doesn't it. We are all going our seperate ways. I will be honest for the past 8 months my life has changed meeting you guess has been a life changer for me and for that I thank you. I am saying goodbye to all of you that are leaving. I know it's not a final goodbye but I am sure you will forget to check with IT once and a while and soon forget about it.

I know I know you will say I won't but I am sure some of you will. So goodbye and the funny thing is I hate goodbyes.


Huh? People leaving for a while for a another game is really nothing to care about.

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The only glitch I can remember people wondering "wait, what if this is an IT hint?" is that planet with the Reaper indoctrination device in an abandoned mine in ME2 that kept lighting up as a quest objective for no reason.

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masster blaster wrote...

Cdm diffrent games for a while, but ya. To me it looks like the group won't fully come back until Omega trailer or when it comes out. Although I think some people will forget about us and IT and well just forget. It's human nature, and I have seen this before. When something new is coming out people will just move on.

Look at AC3 a good portion of ME fans went to the AC side.
Now when black ops2 comes out the mp ME fans/ COD ones will go play their call of duty. And now we have Halo and now another good portion of ME fans will go back to halo.

So if you look at it ME will not be talked about for a long time, and the BSN will be quiet and so will the IT thread.


Ok so..

Omega Trailer is any time from tomorrow til 2ish weeks from now. Omega is end of this month..

Again, its no big deal. People can think about two games at one time. And when they don't, oh well.

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Rifneno wrote...

The only glitch I can remember people wondering "wait, what if this is an IT hint?" is that planet with the Reaper indoctrination device in an abandoned mine in ME2 that kept lighting up as a quest objective for no reason.


Bet they did that to mess with everyone LOL

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Rifneno wrote...

The only glitch I can remember people wondering "wait, what if this is an IT hint?" is that planet with the Reaper indoctrination device in an abandoned mine in ME2 that kept lighting up as a quest objective for no reason.


That is quite strange.

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Rifneno wrote...

The only glitch I can remember people wondering "wait, what if this is an IT hint?" is that planet with the Reaper indoctrination device in an abandoned mine in ME2 that kept lighting up as a quest objective for no reason.


I once jokingly suggested Zombie-Tali was an IT hint. :whistle:

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Omg I just killed Kai Leng on Insanity... (Vanguard)


You're playing a vanguard. Playing insanity on a vanguard is like playing normal with anything else.

Of course, I'm assuming you understand how vanguards work, and arent doing anything silly like not having +200% recharge at all times. :D


Um.... :) I have 180% recharge hehe. Simple AR (I prefer Rifle) and submachine gun, even though I have like a dozen of each weapon type now to choose from, between the base game and DLC weapons.

It's just my first time doing a full Insanity playthrough, and it was a fresh one since I deleted my mainShep! I look forward to doing a New Game + once all the DLC is out... :bandit:.


The best thing is that once I got used to it, Insanity IS the way to go (maybe Hardcore at times though, when it gets annoying). I used to be just a Normal-Veteran player in Mass Effect, but no more! (At least for ME3)

It's actually rather exciting.

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Wasn't there also a glitch where a certain system on the Galaxy map lights up, but isn't visitable? And it was the system where a 'Prothean' device was found in ME2?

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Actually I just had an idea. Okay since ME fans. ( most of us) are going to play other games/move on this is a perfect time for Bioware to get the heat off their backs. It's genious really. As Halo, CoD Black Ops, an AC3 keep the ME fans ocuppied Bioware can now work on their plans for ME3 dlc/ IT revieal.

Project X is a IP right, or is it. What is this project really, and maybe that's what Rio comes in. Something in Rio called Project X is the key to defeat the Reapers. Just saying, and what about the Citadel dlc?

So I see again Bioware finally getting back on track.

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SwobyJ wrote...

Um.... :) I have 180% recharge hehe. Simple AR (I prefer Rifle) and submachine gun, even though I have like a dozen of each weapon type now to choose from, between the base game and DLC weapons.


The only weapons I carry on my vanguard are a Wraith X and a Predator VII. I only carry the Predator so that in cutscenes I dont use the basic predator, and instead use my fancy black one with the extended barrel.

The Wraith I use for killing Harvesters, Banshees, and Atlases.

Everything else gets Charge/Nova spammed.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

demersel wrote...

What if it isn't the harbinger that puts Shepard into a hallucinating/ illusian state? What if it is actully the human reaper in cronos? TIM did after all sayd not to overstay our welcome.....And Kai Leng was there really just to keep you busy...


That's be silly on a lot of different story telling levels.


like what?  Like an epic ending to a trilogy being all fake and a dream level of silly? 

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masster blaster wrote...

Actually I just had an idea. Okay since ME fans. ( most of us) are going to play other games/move on this is a perfect time for Bioware to get the heat off their backs. It's genious really. As Halo, CoD Black Ops, an AC3 keep the ME fans ocuppied Bioware can now work on their plans for ME3 dlc/ IT revieal.

Project X is a IP right, or is it. What is this project really, and maybe that's what Rio comes in. Something in Rio called Project X is the key to defeat the Reapers. Just saying, and what about the Citadel dlc?

So I see again Bioware finally getting back on track.


I still dont know what the **** you're talking about.

Just because people arent playing ME3 anymore doesnt mean no one will come to this tread.

I'll let you in on a little secret: until a few days ago, I hadnt played ME3 in months. I didnt stop coming to the thread.

I even played AC3 and the new WoW expansion. Playing another game doesnt mean you cant still come to the thread.

You need to stop acting like somehow a new game coming out means everyone is now gone forever.