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[Davik Kang]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

@ DD and RM...

sure, I understand that Destroy has to be presented as an option in IT. What I am getting at is:

why does Harbinger use the idea of killing synthetics to discourage Shepard? Why not use something else? We don't know what the Crucible does, so Harbinger could have used any BS to dissuade us from using it. Why not say that Earth would be destroyed instead, Death-star style?

Because that wouldn't make sense.

"You will destroy the Reapers, but also your home planet."

Say what?

At least presenting it in a way that seems consistent (destroy ALL synthetics, including the Reapers & a lot of technology) makes sense.

It could make sense as the Citadel is right above Earth and the beam is connected to it already.  Seems like a quite logical threat to me anyway...

[Leonia]

But non-Earthborn Shepards might not have cared about that. No, I'm sure the "synthetics v. organics" thing was supposed to be the focus of the whole Catalyst exchange, whether folks agree or not on that being a theme of the series. But I see where you're going with it, Davik, what if Shepard had chosen the quarians over the geth and not made peace and didn't care about EDI? Well, guess it's another illusion of choice moment where we're supposed to care about EDI's development at the very least and if we didn't get that bit of story then the ending isn't going to make much sense.

[masster blaster]

Kyrene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...



Is that glowy green eyes?
If so, lulz
Double lulz if it turns out to be an adjutant...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa9nUdP_V1lbCfK2pjfLXNhW85u8-vrd-fKm041Rgq2RsWCqspEDmCJlkPYQ

[masster blaster]

I thought Bioware said we weren't going to fight them. Lies all lies! That's why Collectors are not in Omega because they fixed the problem, or did they not want to ruin the suprise.

[demersel]

hello everybody!
Happy N7 day!
So, from what i read about omega it is entirely possible that it takes place at least AFTER sanctuary....

[demersel]

masster blaster wrote...

I thought Bioware said we weren't going to fight them. Lies all lies! That's why Collectors are not in Omega because they fixed the problem, or did they not want to ruin the suprise.

the collectors may or may not be in Omega, but that does not preven them from being in other future DLCs, like the Citadel DLC for example/

[Ithurael]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I believe the three choices are 'reversed', so to speak.

I've said this before, but I don't think many people saw it.

The joke will be on Shepard in all three scenarios.

Pick control = Your mind will be controlled.
Pick synthesis = Your mind will be synthesized (Preserved in Reaper form).
Pick destroy = Your mind will be destroyed.

So in my interpretation, destroy is ALSO a trap. BUT, as it is the only option that does not go along with what the Reapers want, it is also the only option that resists indoctrination.

Therefore, Shepard's mind will be destroyed. (S)he wants to destroy the Reapers, will not be turned, and so will be destroyed, because (s)he is of no use to the Reapers.

The reason Shepard survives this in high EMS is because his/her mind/willpower is extremely strong in high EMS (as illustrated by all the war assets (s)he assembled).

So in low EMS, you can resist indoctrination by picking destroy, but your mind is not strong enough to survive.

How do war assets determine mental fortitude?

[demersel]

 This looks very much like cerberus version of Firebase White...

Modifié par demersel, 07 novembre 2012 - 05:27 .

[demersel]

Ithurael wrote...

How do war assets determine mental fortitude?

Self-confidence level? 

[Leonia]

Firebase White has Cerberus logos all over it already? Anyway, I seem to recall that Omega is playable just after Mars/Menae so the relation to Sanctuary events may or may not exist.

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

How do war assets determine mental fortitude?

Self-confidence level? 

Pretty much. And it makes just as much, if not more, sense as war assets determining which colour of magic can squirt out of the crucible.

Or whether or not Shepard can live to take a breath after being at the epicentre of an explosion the size of a planet.

[BatmanTurian]

Fingertrip wrote...

I found new Indoctrination EVIDENCE in the FRENCH youtube clip of Mass Effect Omega 3 DLC clip!

There is a soldier holding his HANDS in the hair and then clinching his fist! It was even zoomed in and focused on. What does it MEAN?!

I'm going to start reporting you for harassment if you keep this childish BS up.

[Davik Kang]

Eryri wrote...
Pretty much. And it makes just as much, if not more, sense as war assets determining which colour of magic can squirt out of the crucible. 

Or whether or not Shepard can live to take a breath after being at the epicentre of an explosion the size of a planet.

Not exactly.  The EMS score determines the level of protection afforded to the Crucible when it is brought to the Citadel.  The more protection there is, the less damage it takes en-route.  Once docked, the final level of damage affects the level of precision the Crucible can maintain.  A higher level of precision allows less collateral damage, additional options (the base option depends on whether proto-Reaper heart or brain was saved), and finally the breath scene.

For most war assets the more literal explantion works better, especially as the challenge of the Crucible was always to control the level of destruction it unleashes (this can be seen from in-game dialogue and the codex entry).  Though it does also make sense as measuring the level of support Shepard has gained.  Additionally, the survival of Anderson lending something like 900 war assets (in terms of keeping Shepard alive) does make more sense from the IT perspective - as measuring mental support for Shepard, rather than physical support for the Crucible.

[Home run MF]

This is a Phantom on the Normandy. Shameless repost, hope no one minds 

[spotlessvoid]

I would argue that destroy is not a path set out for you by the Reapers. The mechanism by which you choose it, yes. The other two choices, especially synthesis, are introduced as possible in the decision chamber.

[demersel]

Davik Kang wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Pretty much. And it makes just as much, if not more, sense as war assets determining which colour of magic can squirt out of the crucible. 

Or whether or not Shepard can live to take a breath after being at the epicentre of an explosion the size of a planet.

Not exactly.  The EMS score determines the level of protection afforded to the Crucible when it is brought to the Citadel.  The more protection there is, the less damage it takes en-route.  Once docked, the final level of damage affects the level of precision the Crucible can maintain.  A higher level of precision allows less collateral damage, additional options (the base option depends on whether proto-Reaper heart or brain was saved), and finally the breath scene.

For most war assets the more literal explantion works better, especially as the challenge of the Crucible was always to control the level of destruction it unleashes (this can be seen from in-game dialogue and the codex entry).  Though it does also make sense as measuring the level of support Shepard has gained.  Additionally, the survival of Anderson lending something like 900 war assets (in terms of keeping Shepard alive) does make more sense from the IT perspective - as measuring mental support for Shepard, rather than physical support for the Crucible.

this does not explain the thing with 4000 EMS needed to get the breath scene in destroy if you don't let illusive man shoot anderson, and 5000 ems needed if you do. (before EC values). 

If anything, this thing here alone is enough proof, that the ending is a dream and EMS is just your mental fortitude via self-confidence level

[spotlessvoid]

magnetite wrote...

Finished my video. Pretty much makes it very clear the ending is an indoctrination attempt.

Very good! Might I suggest finding away to work the dreams/oily shadows in?

[Davik Kang]

demersel wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Eryri wrote...
Pretty much. And it makes just as much, if not more, sense as war assets determining which colour of magic can squirt out of the crucible. 

Or whether or not Shepard can live to take a breath after being at the epicentre of an explosion the size of a planet.

Not exactly.  The EMS score determines the level of protection afforded to the Crucible when it is brought to the Citadel.  The more protection there is, the less damage it takes en-route.  Once docked, the final level of damage affects the level of precision the Crucible can maintain.  A higher level of precision allows less collateral damage, additional options (the base option depends on whether proto-Reaper heart or brain was saved), and finally the breath scene.

For most war assets the more literal explantion works better, especially as the challenge of the Crucible was always to control the level of destruction it unleashes (this can be seen from in-game dialogue and the codex entry).  Though it does also make sense as measuring the level of support Shepard has gained.  Additionally, the survival of Anderson lending something like 900 war assets (in terms of keeping Shepard alive) does make more sense from the IT perspective - as measuring mental support for Shepard, rather than physical support for the Crucible.

this does not explain the thing with 4000 EMS needed to get the breath scene in destroy if you don't let illusive man shoot anderson, and 5000 ems needed if you do. (before EC values). 

If anything, this thing here alone is enough proof, that the ending is a dream and EMS is just your mental fortitude via self-confidence level

Huh?  The end of my post is entirely dedicated to what you just said.  Btw, it's evidence but not proof.

[masster blaster]

Hello.

[Eryri]

Hi folks, Threads a bit quiet today.

Article here about omega - http://www.eurogamer...r-in-4-hour-dlc.

Regrettably, it looks like it will be quite divorced from the main plot. We'll be unable to bring the main squad to Omega, or use Aria or Nyreen as permanent squadmates. Thane's little room remains empty it would seem.

On the plus side we 'll be getting to fight adjutants after all. As they're Cerberus controlled "artificially" reaperized creatures, they may provide more foreshadowing against the evils of control and / or synthesis.

Apart from that it looks like it might be another You-tube job for me. How about you guys?

Modifié par Eryri, 07 novembre 2012 - 08:35 .

[MaximizedAction]

Eryri wrote...

Apart from that it looks like it might be another You-tube job for me. How about you guys?

Same here. I've got a BW points card for two normal DLC and I do not intend to spend more on ME3. Since this one costs ~1.5 DLC, I'll sit this one out, too. After all, if the Citadel DLC is legit and contains what is rumored, I'm much more looking forward to that. Also, who knows what the future will bring in terms of DLC...

Also: I was hoping that the female turian would end up as a permanent squadmate...sadly no. And no new hub? Feelssadman

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 07 novembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[Hrothdane]

A "no comment" on the question of Citadel DLC. Hmm....