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[munnellyladt]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Actually, that's wrong. The war can be won by only having support of the council races.

You forget that most of the Coucil races are only the

Salariens,Turians,and Asari, and Humanity. But that does not help us win a war. it took everything the races of the non council races to help make a diffrence in the war. if we had just the council races, then we leave the other races to die/fall when we did not help them. And hey I forgot we only get a small force of Slaraiens, so that will help win the war.

You can still win the war without the support of the majority of the non-council races. My crappiest playthrough still won the war, even though I didnt have drell, hanar, krogan, quarian, or batarian support.

You could still do worse,save the quarians instead of the geth.

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Actually, that's wrong. The war can be won by only having support of the council races.

You forget that most of the Coucil races are only the

Salariens,Turians,and Asari, and Humanity. But that does not help us win a war. it took everything the races of the non council races to help make a diffrence in the war. if we had just the council races, then we leave the other races to die/fall when we did not help them. And hey I forgot we only get a small force of Slaraiens, so that will help win the war.

You can still win the war without the support of the majority of the non-council races. My crappiest playthrough still won the war, even though I didnt have drell, hanar, krogan, quarian, or batarian support.

Did you get the Citadel defence for, and the termanus fleets/Elcor support. That's my point with out the help of the other races more people will die, but if they are united then this can be a symbol of hope for the next generation of the ME trilogy, but it's just my opinion though.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Actually, that's wrong. The war can be won by only having support of the council races.

You forget that most of the Coucil races are only the

Salariens,Turians,and Asari, and Humanity. But that does not help us win a war. it took everything the races of the non council races to help make a diffrence in the war. if we had just the council races, then we leave the other races to die/fall when we did not help them. And hey I forgot we only get a small force of Slaraiens, so that will help win the war.

You can still win the war without the support of the majority of the non-council races. My crappiest playthrough still won the war, even though I didnt have drell, hanar, krogan, quarian, or batarian support.

Exactly! I had a playthrough that ended up having 3564 EMS only by having the help of the turians, the salarians, the asari, and a totally destroyed quarian fleet.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Actually, that's wrong. The war can be won by only having support of the council races.

You forget that most of the Coucil races are only the

Salariens,Turians,and Asari, and Humanity. But that does not help us win a war. it took everything the races of the non council races to help make a diffrence in the war. if we had just the council races, then we leave the other races to die/fall when we did not help them. And hey I forgot we only get a small force of Slaraiens, so that will help win the war.

You can still win the war without the support of the majority of the non-council races. My crappiest playthrough still won the war, even though I didnt have drell, hanar, krogan, quarian, or batarian support.

Did you get the Citadel defence for, and the termanus fleets/Elcor support. That's my point with out the help of the other races more people will die, but if they are united then this can be a symbol of hope for the next generation of the ME trilogy, but it's just my opinion though.

No, that wasn't what you were saying. What you were saying was that you need the help of everyone to win the war, which clearly isn't true.

[RavenEyry]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I do agree with you byne, but that's only going to cause more tenshin because the other races did help with the war with the Reapers, and have given many lives to help everyone in the galaxy.

Sad day for them.

If you give every race a seat on the Council, you basically make the idea of having a Council pointless.

Not everyone in the UN has equal power, neither should everyone under the council. Not that the UN is any more competent.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Yes but still there should be, if there is to be peace, after the war, then everyone should have a a place on the councli, for helping end the Reaper threat. just like Humanity stoped ****r from and gained a place on the councli, so do the other races do to. plus it will help rebuild the galaxy to a better future for the next Me cycle.

If there is to be any race that should be granted a seat on the council, then it should be the krogan.And those guys don't even have an embassy. Batarians weren't essential. Vlous weren't essential, and the hanar and elcor sure as hell weren't essential in anything.

Basically, the weaker races shouldn't be granted a place on the council, lest they begin thinking of themselves too importantly.

Races that aren't part of council space or have a citadel embassy have no place in the council.

But they did help we just didn't see them fight in the battle at Earth, but they did help. They gave us war assets for Shepard to go back and retake Earth, and they do. and this goes for every races. The Geth,Quariens, Volus,Elcor,hanar,Drell,Krogan,Batarians. They have given everything they got to stop the Reapers, and they have helped us.

And they need to be on the Council for helping save the galaxy.

No they don't. They only fought because the council commanded them to do it.

The batarian government itself has relinguished any form of connection they had with the other races, and just because a few renegade fleets without the government's blessing decided it would be better to do something instead of listening to a bunch of idiots does not mean that they should have any part in ruling a civilized galaxy.

The quarians should first get a grip of their own planet before even considering joining citadel space. They just really became a steadfast race, and you want them to already have a hand in ruling the galaxy?

The geth are way too hated by everyone to even consider letting them leave Rannoch.

The drell have no government, and they sure as hell didn't contribute a lot.

The Elcor only did Jack sh*t except of draining the resources of the council, the same goes for the volus. It would have been better if they had just died off.

The hanar also didn't really do a lot.

Let me ask you this: If I donate 5€ to the UN to help african children, does that mean I should be able to join the UN board?

No but that will be the problem of the next ME Trilogy, if they do ME4 with Shepards choice, but they wont. Which is stupid because that's what's going to have a huge affect on the galaxy forever.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

No but that will be the problem of the next ME Trilogy, if they do ME4 with Shepards choice, but they wont. Which is stupid because that's what's going to have a huge affect on the galaxy forever.

WHAT?

Answer my question. If I donate 5€ to the UN to help starving children in Africa, does that mean I should become a part of the UN board?

Modifié par estebanus, 04 août 2012 - 06:08 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

The Elcor only did Jack sh*t except of draining the resources of the council, the same goes for the volus. It would have been better if they had just died off.

....is that you, Javik?

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Actually, that's wrong. The war can be won by only having support of the council races.

You forget that most of the Coucil races are only the

Salariens,Turians,and Asari, and Humanity. But that does not help us win a war. it took everything the races of the non council races to help make a diffrence in the war. if we had just the council races, then we leave the other races to die/fall when we did not help them. And hey I forgot we only get a small force of Slaraiens, so that will help win the war.

You can still win the war without the support of the majority of the non-council races. My crappiest playthrough still won the war, even though I didnt have drell, hanar, krogan, quarian, or batarian support.

Exactly! I had a playthrough that ended up having 3564 EMS only by having the help of the turians, the salarians, the asari, and a totally destroyed quarian fleet.

really did you kill the geth, and Quariens, and only the Council races, not anyone else. minus the crubilbe/not upgrading it, and finding war assets, just what the Council races give you, and that's it.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

No but that will be the problem of the next ME Trilogy, if they do ME4 with Shepards choice, but they wont. Which is stupid because that's what's going to have a huge affect on the galaxy forever.

WHAT?

Answer my question. If I donate 5€ to the UN to help starving children in Africa, does that mean I should become a part of the UN board?

I DID< AND I SAID NO. BUT THEY SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER THE FACT TO GIVE THE NON RACES SOME RESPECT.

[paxxton]

Rosewind, I have a new avatar too!

Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 06:10 .

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

No but that will be the problem of the next ME Trilogy, if they do ME4 with Shepards choice, but they wont. Which is stupid because that's what's going to have a huge affect on the galaxy forever.

WHAT?

Answer my question. If I donate 5€ to the UN to help starving children in Africa, does that mean I should become a part of the UN board?

Yes it does.  Unfortunately, that's not how the real world works. 

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

really did you kill the geth, and Quariens, and only the Council races, not anyone else. minus the crubilbe/not upgrading it, and finding war assets, just what the Council races give you, and that's it.

I killed the quarians and picked destroy, so I technically killed them both off, yes. And I didnt do any scanning or any side-missions at all. Still won the war.

Even got the breath scene, since it was post EC.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The Elcor only did Jack sh*t except of draining the resources of the council, the same goes for the volus. It would have been better if they had just died off.

....is that you, Javik?

In pragmatic terms, the volus and elcor really are nothing but annoyances that drain the council's resources.

[masster blaster]

starlitegirlx wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You forget that most of the Coucil races are only the

Salariens,Turians,and Asari, and Humanity. But that does not help us win a war. it took everything the races of the non council races to help make a diffrence in the war. if we had just the council races, then we leave the other races to die/fall when we did not help them. And hey I forgot we only get a small force of Slaraiens, so that will help win the war.

Am I the only one that felt that the council was an elitist group of jerks that felt superior to all other races in everyway? Kind of even found it true of most asari we encountered minus Liara who was sympathetic but also given that she was a pureblood didn't have that superior feeling to begin with. Salarians had some that I loved becaused I love Kirrahe and I loved Mordin but found their playing God with other races to much of them trying to maintain control. Turians didn't bother me based on Garris but I hated and wanted to kill the Turian councilor in just about every scene he was in of ME1.

I still think paragon would have been to let them die and then say that they had to stop the reaper to save eveyone else. The cost of the few for the cost of the many. But the lame writers wanted to keep the council around because apparently all the other races were satisfied being tools and minions to their authority.

I think that's why the Council races need to realize that they are f*** without the other races supporting them and that's a fact.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

No but that will be the problem of the next ME Trilogy, if they do ME4 with Shepards choice, but they wont. Which is stupid because that's what's going to have a huge affect on the galaxy forever.

WHAT?

Answer my question. If I donate 5€ to the UN to help starving children in Africa, does that mean I should become a part of the UN board?

I DID< AND I SAID NO. BUT THEY SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER THE FACT TO GIVE THE NON RACES SOME RESPECT.

Giving them respect and making them full fledged members of the Council are totally different, Mr Caps Lock.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Actually, that's wrong. The war can be won by only having support of the council races.

You forget that most of the Coucil races are only the

Salariens,Turians,and Asari, and Humanity. But that does not help us win a war. it took everything the races of the non council races to help make a diffrence in the war. if we had just the council races, then we leave the other races to die/fall when we did not help them. And hey I forgot we only get a small force of Slaraiens, so that will help win the war.

You can still win the war without the support of the majority of the non-council races. My crappiest playthrough still won the war, even though I didnt have drell, hanar, krogan, quarian, or batarian support.

Exactly! I had a playthrough that ended up having 3564 EMS only by having the help of the turians, the salarians, the asari, and a totally destroyed quarian fleet.

really did you kill the geth, and Quariens, and only the Council races, not anyone else. minus the crubilbe/not upgrading it, and finding war assets, just what the Council races give you, and that's it.

Pretty much. Crucible full, alliance full, Geth full (but they died anyway, so that doesn't matter) No krogan (Chose the evil rachni queen instead of Aralak company) Turians full, asari full, and salarians full.

[HyperGlass]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The Elcor only did Jack sh*t except of draining the resources of the council, the same goes for the volus. It would have been better if they had just died off.

....is that you, Javik?

In pragmatic terms, the volus and elcor really are nothing but annoyances that drain the council's resources.

At least the volus contribute in terms of finance and trading. As for the elcor, I don't remember what role they had in the system.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The Elcor only did Jack sh*t except of draining the resources of the council, the same goes for the volus. It would have been better if they had just died off.

....is that you, Javik?

In pragmatic terms, the volus and elcor really are nothing but annoyances that drain the council's resources.

I guess I can see where you're coming from with the elcor, but the volus manage the economy of all of Citadel space. They do contribute, even if its not in a combat sense.

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

really did you kill the geth, and Quariens, and only the Council races, not anyone else. minus the crubilbe/not upgrading it, and finding war assets, just what the Council races give you, and that's it.

I killed the quarians and picked destroy, so I technically killed them both off, yes. And I didnt do any scanning or any side-missions at all. Still won the war.

Even got the breath scene, since it was post EC.

Then what if this was the pre EC what then. Bioware only lowered it down because people were complaining about it.

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The Elcor only did Jack sh*t except of draining the resources of the council, the same goes for the volus. It would have been better if they had just died off.

....is that you, Javik?

In pragmatic terms, the volus and elcor really are nothing but annoyances that drain the council's resources.

Well, the volus are useless, but elcor have practical purposes. They can do all the hard labor, and they CAN CARRY CANNONS on their shoulders!!!!  Effectively they are walking potential tanks/artillery. So they do have potential uses.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

I think that's why the Council races need to realize that they are f*** without the other races supporting them and that's a fact.

Considering you can win the war with just the Council races + geth (who you can then kill off in destroy), that is not a fact, and is in fact completely false.

Modifié par byne, 04 août 2012 - 06:15 .

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

No but that will be the problem of the next ME Trilogy, if they do ME4 with Shepards choice, but they wont. Which is stupid because that's what's going to have a huge affect on the galaxy forever.

WHAT?

Answer my question. If I donate 5€ to the UN to help starving children in Africa, does that mean I should become a part of the UN board?

I DID< AND I SAID NO. BUT THEY SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER THE FACT TO GIVE THE NON RACES SOME RESPECT.

As Byne said, there's a huge difference between earning respect and getting a seat on the galactic government.

At the most, they should be allowed an embassy, and that only goes for the quarians and Krogan.