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[Hrothdane]

Restrider wrote...

abnocte wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

I only purchased the games and I came up with a pseudo IT interpretation on my own....

I don't think you need any of that stuff. It helps support IT, but it isn't necessary.

Well I did notice something was odd, but I didn't really put all the pieces together, partly because I played ME3 for the first time just a few days ago... and I had already a preconcieved idea about the ending due to all the uproar...

The real problem for me is that ( by the looks of it ) a large amount of players didn't get the ending ( assuming the IT is correct ), if Bioware had done a better job explaining what was going on ingame the number of people that reached the conclusion of everything being a mind-battle against indoctrination should have been larger...

That's why justifying the ending with lore that can only be found outside of the game isn't a valid answer to me. Regardless of the IT being correct or no, I feel Bioware didn't do a good enough job...

Who seriously says that he figured it all out while playing the first time, is either lying or is really an exception.
Take me for example! I knew something was off and I sure as hell would not trust the self-proclaimed leader of the Reapers and his offers. Thus I refused.
As far as I know, spotless chose Synthesis on his first playthrough (and I know that he is ashamed of that   ).
Many others chose Destroy, but few really out of the notion that it had to be indoctrination in play. It was either because it was always their goal since ME1 or because they had a subconscious feeling that it was the right choice in this strange environment.
In any case, many have been fooled by the Guardian in the end. The important part is to not keep being fooled.

Yeah. I kinda had a view similar to WNT as I was going through it. The whole Marauder Shields part felt and looked completely unreal to me, so I figured something was up.

[spotlessvoid]

You're going to have to edit that out too Hrothdane. Or face legal annihilation.

[abnocte]

Andromidius wrote...

abnocte wrote...

If we take the IT as correct and the original ending... what was the purpose of the Crucible? 

Ingenius sabotage from the Reapers.  Leaving magic plans to defeat them, supposedly created by all the races that came before, without any clue as to how it works?  And having your enemies spend huge amounts of resources on it instead of focusing efforts on resistance against the Reaper onslaught?

Better yet, its a trap or a device only the Reapers can make use of.  Its apperently little more then a giant battery.  Which attached to the Citadel.  Which is a massive Relay that's designed to transport the entire Reaper armada.

...so yeah.  The Crucible isn't legit.  At all.

Well, that's the first thing that crossed my mind, it is just a way to waste resources left behind by the Reapers themselves.

I'm more concerned about whether the relays are destroyed or not and the Normandy's last run being Shepards imagination or not, though...

@ElSuperGekco
Thank you!

I bought ME3 a few weeks ago, not only because of the uproar but the Demo really put me off, also I'm a bitter ass and after buying DA2 on realease day I didn't want to repeat my mistakes... I do admit that I really enjoyed ME3... up until the final part...

So far I've only read Parabolee's blog on indoctrination and watched the first video in the OP... I'm not sure I should do another playthrough before reading more theories about the ending, I just played my NON-canon paragon...

@Dwailing&Restrider Thank you!
With the ending leaving me so full of questions, I would be a fool not to check other peoples theories!

@FifthBeatle
The content its included in the main product, I don't really have to look elsewhere for it. If I decide not to collect as many war assets as I can when the game clearly states that you need a certain amount to succeed it is my own fault.

I didn't get the breath scene, I didn't rush but I didn't play multiplayer at all. But when I saw the breath scene it gave a whole new meaning to what was going on. So I do think that that scene should have always been shown, even if having low EMS meant that the scene has no "breath" and just a corpse...

[FifthBeatle]

abnocte wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

abnocte wrote...

If we take the IT as correct and the original ending... what was the purpose of the Crucible? 

Ingenius sabotage from the Reapers.  Leaving magic plans to defeat them, supposedly created by all the races that came before, without any clue as to how it works?  And having your enemies spend huge amounts of resources on it instead of focusing efforts on resistance against the Reaper onslaught?

Better yet, its a trap or a device only the Reapers can make use of.  Its apperently little more then a giant battery.  Which attached to the Citadel.  Which is a massive Relay that's designed to transport the entire Reaper armada.

...so yeah.  The Crucible isn't legit.  At all.

@FifthBeatle
The content its included in the main product, I don't really have to look elsewhere for it. If I decide not to collect as many war assets as I can when the game clearly states that you need a certain amount to succeed it is my own fault.

I didn't get the breath scene, I didn't rush but I didn't play multiplayer at all. But when I saw the breath scene it gave a whole new meaning to what was going on. So I do think that that scene should have always been shown, even if having low EMS meant that the scene has no "breath" and just a corpse...

Well, they did lower the required EMS, but it still remains the highest. I don't know if you saw my edit, but (outside of welcoming you to the thread) I made the point that the indoctrination attempt is of the player and if it weren't subtle it wouldn't work. That is what makes me love the ending so much.

Of course, I think a lot of the questions you ask remain intentionally ambiguous (for now at least). Perhpas DLC will answer them. Afterall, there was the question about why the Protheans failed, which was answered in From Ashes. There was the question about where the Reapers came from and what an indoctrination attempt looks like, which was answered in Levianthan. And there are the questions about what the Crucible really does and what the Catalyst really is which will hopefully be answered in Omega and the rumored Citadel DLC respectively. And hopefully all of that is followed by "Shepard Wakes Up" DLC. While it is debateable if that is fair to charge for all of this, many of us still believed in IT way before Leviathan or even the EC.

Regardless, now that you are coming around to IT, I sincerely hope that you watch the videos the people in this thread have created and read through some of the earlier pages along with all of the polls, the complilations of quotes, and the like. It is amazing the detail and thought put into the game and even more amazing the attention to detail and thoughtful analysis of ITers.

[spotlessvoid]

Well, after 26 minutes of explaining to the local police department's 911 dispatcher, she agreed that synthesis would constitute criminal activity, but that accusing someone of having chosen it only qualifies for a civil suit. You're lucky Restrider. Lucky

[401 Kill]

Has, anything happened in the days since Halo 4 came out?

[spotlessvoid]

401 Kill wrote...

Has, anything happened in the days since Halo 4 came out?

Yeah, I'm going to sue Restrider into financial oblivion. I've been wronged. WRONGED I SAY!

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Has, anything happened in the days since Halo 4 came out?

Yeah, I'm going to sue Restrider into financial oblivion. I've been wronged. WRONGED I SAY!

I do say sir, that is quite unfortunate. UNFORTUNATE!

[ZerebusPrime]

401 Kill wrote...

Has, anything happened in the days since Halo 4 came out?

Let me repost something for you from earlier today.  I found it very interesting, but I think maybe now that most everyone else already knew about it?  It's hard to tell.

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

AlexKavern wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

...why is there a bench in the middle of a forest in the dream sequences?

http://www.youtube.c...VPRNZDNx8#t=38s

Oh yeah.  Forgot about that.  Its exactly the same design too.

It just really stood out for me as being out of place.  And now I remembered that...  Well, its kind of an obvious hint.  Its right next to the child in the dream as well, so its not like its hard to find.

Oh hell, are we back to thinking that maybe Shepard never woke up from that first Reaper blast on the judicial chamber?

EDIT: Just watched that video again and blinked hard a few times.  Did that bench disappear when Shepard got up?

I kid you not.  The camera pans along the wall Shepard hit.  I see no bench.

The dream bench being where and when it is is solid proof that Shepard's dream elements are bleeding into the real world from the beginning of the game.  It would also hint that the dreams Shepard has about the child were in fact forming before the kid was seemingly vaporized before his very eyes.

EDIT: unless of course my eyes have deceived me and the bench is really there in the room after Shepard gets up.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 09 novembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[Gwyphon]

401 Kill wrote...

Has, anything happened in the days since Halo 4 came out?

There's some Omega news, videos, etc. How much you want to know depends on what you consider to be a spoiler.

[Gwyphon]

Ooo nice find. Personally I think it's still just reused resources but it's still interesting. That's during a cut scene, no?

[masster blaster]

Swobyj if your BF falls for synthesis he is Indoctrinated, and that goes for Control. Or maybe he will pick refuse. On that note Ash can romance Fem Shepard.

[masster blaster]

Magnette can you repost your IT video. I didn't get to see it please.

[401 Kill]

Gwyphon wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Has, anything happened in the days since Halo 4 came out?

There's some Omega news, videos, etc. How much you want to know depends on what you consider to be a spoiler.

Can you post the links, if it's not too much trouble please.

@ZerebusPrime,
Yes I have noticed the bench! I have no idea what it is doing in the dreams though, except maybe it is because Shepard gets launched into it (The first thing Shepard hits).

[401 Kill]

masster blaster wrote...

Swobyj if your BF falls for synthesis he is Indoctrinated, and that goes for Control. Or maybe he will pick refuse. On that note Ash can romance Fem Shepard.

Yes.

[clennon8]

I chose Synthesis on my first play-through, but only by accident. I didn't really know where I was supposed to go, and I just kind of wandered ahead, and then got locked into Synthesis. I wanted Destroy. Like many, I felt like something was wrong, but I didn't really know what was going on.

[401 Kill]

magnetite wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Magnette can you repost your IT video. I didn't get to see it please.

Which one? The symptoms one I made yesterday?

Here you go

Ever since I've been messing around with Sony Vegas (had a trial version), it's a lot easier to make videos than use that ancient VirtualDub program I was using before. The thing stutters whenever I try and edit the video or even play a clip. I think that program was made around the Windows 98 days or so. Don't have that issue with Vegas.

Nice video! This greatly demonstrates how the different symptoms of indoctrination affect Shepard!

[CmdrShep80]

Rifneno wrote...

You know what's less productive than trying to reason with Fingertrip?

... No really, I'm asking. I don't know of anything.

1- waiting for omega

2- waiting for omega

3- waiting for yep omega

[demersel]

Ash can romance femshep? Really?

[401 Kill]

demersel wrote...

Ash can romance femshep? Really?

I think so... Her and Kaidan are bi.

[Rifneno]

I've always heard only Kaiden was.

[clennon8]

No. Femshep cannot romance Ashley.

Jennifer Hale did voice all the dialogue for romancing Ashley in ME1. It can be found on the disk, but it never made it into the game. Ashley is straight.