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[byne]

Humakt83 wrote...

Shepard: "My mother is in the Alliance. Haven't heard from her since the Earth got hit."
Garrus: "I'm sure... she's okay"

And they say the background traits we chose in ME 1 did not have ANY effect....

Later in the game Hackett also updates Shepard on the status of her mother.

[CmdrShep80]

I wonder why the wiki put this all under Commander Shepard's profile? I know they didn't put it anywhere else (yet) because I tried to find this several hundred pages ago from the wiki:

Fate

During the final battle for Earth, Shepard is gravely wounded in an attack by Harbinger. After reaching the Citadel and dealing with the Illusive Man, Shepard is greeted by the Catalyst - an ancient A.I. that controls the Reapers. The Catalyst explains to Shepard the purpose of the Reapers and their Cycle of destruction, and then states that Shepard has up to three options to end the war:
1.Destroy the Reapers: In this ending, Shepard shoots a key control panel, causing a massive explosion. Using the mass relays, the energy fired by the Crucible travels from relay to relay, causing all synthetics to be destroyed across the galaxy, including the Reapers, EDI and the geth. The mass relays, and the Citadel are badly damaged but eventually repaired. If the player's Effective Military Strength is high enough, Shepard is shown to have survived, taking a deep breath in a pile of rubble.
2.Control the Reapers: Shepard takes control of the Reapers, becoming the new Reaper master consciousness. The Reapers depart Earth in this scenario and the Citadel survives and the Reapers help rebuild the galaxy, including the mass relays. If Shepard is a Paragon, the Commander will "give the many hope for the future". If Shepard is a Renegade, the Commander will "provide the many with a powerful leader".
3.Synthesis: In this ending, Shepard jumps into the Crucible's energy beam, sacrificing their life. Shepard's sacrifice transforms all life in the galaxy into a new form of synthetic-organic life. The Reapers depart Earth and the mass relays and Citadel are damaged by the Crucible firing. The Reapers help rebuild the galaxy, including the mass relays, and share the knowledge of the civilizations they have harvested in the past.
4.Refusal: In this ending, Shepard refuses to choose any of the three possible options. The Catalyst acknowledges the Commander's decision and disappears leaving the Crucible unable to fire. The Reapers succeed in harvesting all advanced organic life throughout the galaxy as well allowing the cycle to continue.

Assuming Shepard chooses an option that activates the Crucible, then many years in the future, Commander Shepard has become a legendary figure known as "The Shepard". If Shepard does not activate the Crucible, another cycle learns of their actions through Glyph, and all that is known about "The Shepard" is what was stored in the archives left by Liara.

If Shepard chooses an option where he/she is killed, the epilogue shows the squad along with Joker, Cortez (if he survived) and Traynor. The squadmate Shepard was closest to places Shepard`s name above Anderson's on the memorial wall, and, if Shepard chose to merge organic and synthetic life, hugs EDI. If, however, Shepard chose to destroy the Reapers and managed to survive the Crucible's blast, the squadmate hesitates to put Shepard's name on the wall and instead smiles hopefully.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Shepard: "My mother is in the Alliance. Haven't heard from her since the Earth got hit."
Garrus: "I'm sure... she's okay"

And they say the background traits we chose in ME 1 did not have ANY effect....

Later in the game Hackett also updates Shepard on the status of her mother.

That part always makes me laugh, the way Hackett says it, "By the way I've got word on your Mother," gamerpoop chops it, "she's with me. Hackett out."

[MWMike2011]

Wow...this place really gets dead overnights, huh...lol

[Gwyphon]

Yeah... Time zones suck.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 10 novembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[abnocte]

I've read different arguments in the IT about the breath scene being on Earth because the rubble surrounding Shepard ( Shepard surviving the explosion aside ).

I haven't read all the info about the IT, but how come nobody comments of the fact that Shepard is somewhere with a breathable atmosphere and gravity?

If the Citadel is as badly damaged as it looks when it explodes I highly doubt that whatever systems are in charge of maintaining the Citadel atmosphere and gravity are working anymore.

[Restrider]

Dwailing wrote...

So, I was just thinking. I think, if IT turns out to be correct, that all ITists should receive some kind of reward from BioWare for being brilliant. I mean, we've put EIGHT FRAKKING MONTHS into this thing, and as cool as our family is, I want something a bit more material than friendship.

I had a similar idea, but how are you going to define who is an IT supporter? Those who posted in this thread? That would also include brilliant minds as Heretic_Hanar et al who came/come here to troll.
The best approach would be the member of the IT-group, but then again...
I don't think they will implement something like an IT reward.

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, I was just thinking. I think, if IT turns out to be correct, that all ITists should receive some kind of reward from BioWare for being brilliant. I mean, we've put EIGHT FRAKKING MONTHS into this thing, and as cool as our family is, I want something a bit more material than friendship.

Vindication shall be reward enough for me!

That and of course Commander Byne being the one to pull Shepard from the rubble.

That goes without saying.

Pff... aren't you a bit over your head there?
It would clearly be nothing more than Corporal Byne...

[Restrider]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Best IT reward ever would be we can randomly jump into any synthesis supporters SP campaign and wreak havoc on them. Imagine over 100 player controlled Banshees spawning while Seival is on the citadel talking to some NPC. Awesomeness

Ignoring technical limitations to that idea.... that would really be awesome (I have to admit that I used to be one of those who was the spear head of ... little commando units imposing order in WoW in illustrious places as South Shore, Northern Stranglethorn, Athari Highlands and Ratchet (I played Horde)).

Btw, since when is Seival a Synthesis supporter, isn't he the main Control supporter of the BSN? Or did he turn?

[Restrider]

abnocte wrote...

I've read different arguments in the IT about the breath scene being on Earth because the rubble surrounding Shepard ( Shepard surviving the explosion aside ).

I haven't read all the info about the IT, but how come nobody comments of the fact that Shepard is somewhere with a breathable atmosphere and gravity?

If the Citadel is as badly damaged as it looks when it explodes I highly doubt that whatever systems are in charge of maintaining the Citadel atmosphere and gravity are working anymore.

That's huge point pro IT. Literalist argue that the decision chamber is surrounded by some kind of barrier/force field that contains a breathable atmosphere. They also claim that Shepards extensive synthetic upgrades/implants during Project Lazarus and during ME2 made him resilient enough to survive such an energy emission.

That their arguments are not really reasonable does not bother them...
(check out point 2 in IT's Top Ten, it focuses on the Breath Scene afaik)

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

abnocte wrote...

I've read different arguments in the IT about the breath scene being on Earth because the rubble surrounding Shepard ( Shepard surviving the explosion aside ).

I haven't read all the info about the IT, but how come nobody comments of the fact that Shepard is somewhere with a breathable atmosphere and gravity?

If the Citadel is as badly damaged as it looks when it explodes I highly doubt that whatever systems are in charge of maintaining the Citadel atmosphere and gravity are working anymore.

That has been brought up. Common counter argument is a quote from a developer or something that the Citadel has areas, essentially bunkers, prepared with air and food where the people on the Citadel can seek refuge if the station is severily damage.

Off course I doubt such a bunker is in a place where according to the catalyst no one else has been before...or for that matter why has no one detected that there was an area of breathable air right beneath the Citadel tower and wondered, "hmm, what is that place for?" and investigated?

In short the amounts of things that dont make sense in that scene is enough to fuel a speculation thread on its own.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Restrider wrote...

abnocte wrote...

I've read different arguments in the IT about the breath scene being on Earth because the rubble surrounding Shepard ( Shepard surviving the explosion aside ).

I haven't read all the info about the IT, but how come nobody comments of the fact that Shepard is somewhere with a breathable atmosphere and gravity?

If the Citadel is as badly damaged as it looks when it explodes I highly doubt that whatever systems are in charge of maintaining the Citadel atmosphere and gravity are working anymore.

That's huge point pro IT. Literalist argue that the decision chamber is surrounded by some kind of barrier/force field that contains a breathable atmosphere. They also claim that Shepards extensive synthetic upgrades/implants during Project Lazarus and during ME2 made him resilient enough to survive such an energy emission.

That their arguments are not really reasonable does not bother them...
(check out point 2 in IT's Top Ten, it focuses on the Breath Scene afaik)

Think about that one for a second...

While a forcefield containing a breathable atmosphere is certainly possible in Mass Effect they are usualy visible in some way and it still does not soleve the Shepard beeing burned to death part...or the fact taht the extensive damage to the Citadel would probably cut of the field.

In fact think about thsi regarding the wave of energy sent out. According to the Catalyst it is essentially a giant EMP which quote on quote "will not discrimenate." Going by that the wave should also disable every single system in the Citadel, including lifesupport and what not.

Also the nature of the wave would also mean Shepard is more vulnerbale to the wave due to his implants, not vice versa, as the wave (not even going by th ridicoulous energy levels Shepard is directly hit by) would shut down his synthetic part, possibly even fry them for good. Those parts include at least bits in his eyes, bits in his brain (if he is Biotic) probably a lot of pieces in his limps (going by his abnormal strength and toughness) and something on his spine and heart (seen during the Lazarus sequence). The last two especially are telling as the Spine and Heart are pretty serious places to need synthetic bits.

Also we shoudl not forget his multiple severe wounds which made him black out (twice) allready...and then the abnormal explosion.

[Rifneno]

Remember at the end of ME1 when you had to suit up to go on the exterior hull of the Citadel tower because there's no air out there? Literalists don't.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Everybody knows moral decisions shouldn't be made in a vacuum.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Restrider wrote...

Btw, since when is Seival a Synthesis supporter, isn't he the main Control supporter of the BSN? Or did he turn?

He supports both. Just not destroy.

[Restrider]

Interesting that the ending fronts (ignoring literal/IT-view) are usually:

Synthesis/Control vs Destroy/and to some extent Refuse

[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

Interesting that the ending fronts (ignoring literal/IT-view) are usually:

Synthesis/Control vs Destroy/and to some extent Refuse

Yeah, it seems like this is the same division that existed pre-ME3 with Cerberus vs. non-Cerberus, pro-TIM vs. anti-TIM, etc.  Really, things don't change all that much.  I wonder how many Control and Synthesis supporters are people who used to want to option to work with Cerberus again in ME3?

[Restrider]

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Interesting that the ending fronts (ignoring literal/IT-view) are usually:

Synthesis/Control vs Destroy/and to some extent Refuse

Yeah, it seems like this is the same division that existed pre-ME3 with Cerberus vs. non-Cerberus, pro-TIM vs. anti-TIM, etc.  Really, things don't change all that much.  I wonder how many Control and Synthesis supporters are people who used to want to option to work with Cerberus again in ME3?

Actually, I would've liked that option and having Cerberus as shady/gray shadowy organisation. But that's just out of roleplaying reasons, not that I wholeheartedly supported Cerberus.

[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Interesting that the ending fronts (ignoring literal/IT-view) are usually:

Synthesis/Control vs Destroy/and to some extent Refuse

Yeah, it seems like this is the same division that existed pre-ME3 with Cerberus vs. non-Cerberus, pro-TIM vs. anti-TIM, etc.  Really, things don't change all that much.  I wonder how many Control and Synthesis supporters are people who used to want to option to work with Cerberus again in ME3?

Actually, I would've liked that option and having Cerberus as shady/gray shadowy organisation. But that's just out of roleplaying reasons, not that I wholeheartedly supported Cerberus.

Says the guy with a TIM profile pic. 

[Samtheman63]

ive not been on for a week

any news?

[abnocte]

Rifneno wrote...

Remember at the end of ME1 when you had to suit up to go on the exterior hull of the Citadel tower because there's no air out there? Literalists don't.

Rolf.

It is impossible for me to forget about that part of ME, it was awesome!

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

In
fact think about thsi regarding the wave of energy sent out. According
to the Catalyst it is essentially a giant EMP which quote on quote "will
not discrimenate." Going by that the wave should also disable every
single system in the Citadel, including lifesupport and what not.

Not only the Citadel, but all spaceships that are hit by the weave... I assumed that the Normandy fleeing was due to this, but there is no way Joker knew what would be the effect of the weave.

And with the extended cut makes even less sense as you see the relays destroyed yet perfectly functional spaceships leaving...

Also
the nature of the wave would also mean Shepard is more vulnerbale to
the wave due to his implants, not vice versa, as the wave (not even
going by th ridicoulous energy levels Shepard is directly hit by) would
shut down his synthetic part, possibly even fry them for good. Those
parts include at least bits in his eyes, bits in his brain (if he is
Biotic) probably a lot of pieces in his limps (going by his abnormal
strength and toughness) and something on his spine and heart (seen
during the Lazarus sequence). The last two especially are telling as the
Spine and Heart are pretty serious places to need synthetic bits.

Also
we shoudl not forget his multiple severe wounds which made him black
out (twice) allready...and then the abnormal explosion.

I agree, I always assumed that the implants helped Shepard to be alive ( if not why keep them after the resurrection is successful? ). So if the Crucible blast actually took place there is no way Shepard would be alive.

[masster blaster]

To be far I wanted Cerberus to help Shepard, but I knew that from their record they weren't going to help.

On that note if you take this for symbolsim right here. In Destroy that implys that Shepard will die along with the Reapers, Edi, and the Geth. Now once we choose Destroy the Citadel blows up, the Reapers are killed/ their forces, yet why are the husk turning to Ash.

They are not Synthetics more like Synthesis Organic and Synthetic, but yet they do. Could that be that's what happened to Shepard. If you use fly came Shepard dissapersafter you make the choice. So could it be Shepard truned to Ash like the Husk did?

Okay going back to what I was saying was that Relays blow up, and the galaxy is cheering.

Okay what if the relays blowing up, and the Citadel are Shepard's body and sol. Think about this the Citadel is the galactic seat of the galaxy right. Now compare that to Shepard's mind. The Citadel is Shepard's ( Brain), and the relays are Shepard's limdic system.

Now each one of these blow up, yet if you have high EMS the galaxy ( Shepard's body) repairs their homes/ the Relays, and the Citadel ( Shepard's brain)

Now if you look at Control the Citadel Shepard's ( brain) is closeing like Shepard is going into a deep sleep, and will never wake up. Hence the Citadel closeing.

Now what's interesting is that it's only the Reapers reparing the Citadel and relays, and they are now in charge of the galaxy ( Shepard's body and mind).

Furthermore this leades to Synthesis were both relays and Citadel getting Destroyed. Okay now the Reapers and everyone else are rebuilding the galaxy together, but if you look really closely the Reapers are just standing and moving/ doing nothing. Also in Mirandas picture if you choosed Synthesi, or Control a Reapers is behind her. Hello since the Reapers used rapid Indoctrination on Shepard the galaxy ( Shepard's body, and mind) is quickly reparing it's self with the help from the Reapers.

Refuse um I really can't say but if everyone dies so does Shepard. You see the galaxy is Shepard's body if Shepard rejects the Indoctrination that's good, but at a price Shepard will die no matter how much EMS because, you quit you gave up. Yes you gave a nice speech, but remeber Harbinger is still around Shepard so if Shepard refuses, then Harbinger kills Shepard.

Hence when you see the alliance crusier blow up, Shepard looks like he/she is ready to drop dead because now his/her body ( the galaxy) is dying.

[paxxton]

Gwyphon wrote...

Yeah... Time zones suck.

And it's bad for your health too.
http://blogs.scienti...-be-eliminated/

[masster blaster]

Guys I had a crazy thought. You remember in ME2 overlord that David's brother managed to Control Shepard's movment, and projected in his/her mind a virtual reallity world.

Now how was that possible? Could it have been because of Shepard's Synthetics parts, or from the Prothean cipher?

Anyways ag the end of ME3 our Shepard ( wakes up) in the Catalyst chambers that look very similar to the beam run. Now if it is an hallucination, then there is only one way Reapers can show Shepard images of the future.

The Prothean cipher. Think about this it aloud Shepard to see the Protheans distruction, and what happened in the past. Could it be possible to create a fabrication of what could be the future of the galaxy?

Oh and in Destroy I think Destroying Shepard's Synthetics is a good thing. Think about this maybe that's the only reason they can Indoctrinate Shepard because of his/her Synthetics parts. That could be why EDi, and the Geth will die because they represent the Synthetic part of Shepard. Thus why the brat wants Shepard to lead Shepard away from Destroy because it knows that's not the case.

Now if we Destroy Shepard's Synthetic side it's up to his/her willpower and readiness to live without the Synthetic parts.

Hence EMS= Shepard's willpower, and Galactic readiness= Shepard's readiness.

[masster blaster]

Why Petrovsky's fate will decide my final verdict of ME3 as an RPG

Are peole really that serious? I mean I think he is cool but if he has to die then so be it. He brought this on himself by ticking Aria off.