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[Davik Kang]

masster blaster wrote...

Also David I mean story wise not the end itself. I spent 5 years and playing only the SP, and at the end of it, you get think for yourself.

I mean yes it teaches the younger players, but for the older players like us, and other don't deserve that. Am I right or not?

Sorry man, I'm not entirely sure what you mean.  What teaches the younger players?  What didn't the older players deserve?

Do you mean that the ME3 story was good in that it explained things well to new players who hadn't played ME1-2?  And are you making a separate point that ME3 wasn't a good enough story for the older players?

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

One thing that makes no sense is that the stargazer at the end in Control is like the Reapers are gone. Like they all died in a sense. That goes with Synthesis EDI talks about transending morality to imorality. And why is it that the place isn't green shouldn't the place the trees all be green?

Yet for Destroy is makes sense.

My personal imput is that the Stargazer male version is ment for Destroy, and not Syntheisis and Control. It's more like a clue that " wait why is it that this Stargazer scene looks just likethe Synthesis, and Control one?" It's like Bioware was showing us that hey look guys the Reapers are dead in this future. I wonder how did it happen? Oh wait Destroy seems possible, yet could it be that maybe Destroy wakes your Shepard up and you can finish the fight?

Fixed.

[Dwailing]

So, I see things are... interesting right now. Should I come back later?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Pretty sure he means 'mortality', not 'morality'... big difference, although I see where the confusion is coming from when talking about synthesis.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 10 novembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[401 Kill]

Dwailing wrote...

So, I see things are... interesting right now. Should I come back later?

What's going on?

[DoomsdayDevice]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Don't know if any one ever posted the strategy guide's version of how the ending goes.  It's one of those where you have to turn it upside down to avoid "spoilers."  It's a little blurry but if you zoom you can read the text. 

Couple of things -

1- I personally think the guide made a mistake because I think there is a positive paragon difference if you save Anderson versus letting him die (renegade).  But this perception has to be based on a paragon litteral perception.  (see #4)

2- notice the "QUOTES" around "saved" Anderson.

3 - notice where synthesis EMS is versus where the highest destroy EMS is.  Notice they don't mention the breath scene anywhere on this page.  However they did mention Shepard lives 4 times (see #4) (even on the flip which says they refused to post pictures to avoid spoiling the ending). 

4- I find it interesting if #1 is actually not a mistake and we base it on the IT everything is opposite therefore the renegade options are the paragon choices happens earlier than the decision chamber.  It may also happen during the interaction between Anderson and TIM too.  It's either that or the "saved" is referring to you "saved" a hallucination.  Though if that were true then why is not "saving" Anderson destroy is higher up on the EMS scale than "saving" Anderson.  Again, why is that?

5- This pic was from the guide before the EC came out.  So here's a question.  Did the makers of the guide know about EC and chose to base it only on non-EC content?  They did use the higher 5000 EMS values

6- Notice there are two choice paths to start, this is then broken down to 8 choices within the original starting two choices (thus 16 choices).  Within the 16 choices for an ending there are 4 choices that lead to Shepard living, 2 of which seem to be the "best ending" choices (we can debate on this for another 1000 pages if we have to lol).  The other 8 choices Shepard isn't mentioned

7- Last, notice that the title of the page is "Heart vs. Brain."  "Heart" is tied to the side of the page that the collector base was saved.  "Brain" is tied to the side where the collector base was destroyed.  May not mean much but given we are speculating about IT and IT is about overcoming indoctrination via your mind versus the other option, that I'll call "swayed by emotion" given heart I'll say represents that. I figured I'd put it out there
I know I said a couple but oh well I reached 7 and it's November, therefore Happy N7 Day!



EDIT - added a different #7

EDIT 2 - Did a better less blurry pic

EDIT 3 - defined my word choices better

Not sure what you're saying here...

I think there is a positive paragon difference if you save Anderson versus letting him die (renegade).  But this perception has to be based on a paragon litteral perception

Not sure what you mean with this... 'paragon difference'? All I know is that you need less EMS to get the breath scene if you keep Anderson alive. EMS doesn't have to do with paragon/renegade, but maybe that is not what you mean?

Are you saying the renegade interrupt to shoot TIM (and keep Anderson alive) should have been a paragon interrupt? AFAIK, interrupts that let you use your weapon are always renegade. Is there a precedent for a paragon interrupt that makes you fire your weapon? I don't think so, actually.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 10 novembre 2012 - 09:50 .

[Davik Kang]

masster blaster wrote...

Also David I mean story wise not the end itself. I spent 5 years and playing only the SP, and at the end of it, you get think for yourself.

I mean yes it teaches the younger players, but for the older players like us, and other don't deserve that. Am I right or not?

Were you saying that: having to headcanon the ending is not a good way to end the game just because it might be educational for younger players?  

If so then I agree.  I don't think ME3 should be about trying to educate people.  Nor do I think it should only appeal to a certain kind of person.  

I do agree with many of the reasons that people put forward about why they do not like the ending.  Some people in particular I feel very bad for, especially if they came to love the ME series only to have it end on a disappointing note because it had some weird scene with an annoying holographic child.  I do genuinely see why people flat out don't like it because they wanted to end the game on the same high that they'd got from exploring the universe and making friends with the characters.

I get annoyed with the haters that constantly whine every day about anything they can find in the entire trilogy that someone said was bad.  But I don't at all dislike those who just felt like they'd had the fun of the series taken away from them by the confusing ending.

All I can say is that I liked it a lot.  But that's no reason to suppose that others would like it too.  It may even have helped enormously that I enjoyed the series without considering it my favourite ever game.  Some aspects I liked, and I did get very attached to some of the characters, especially Shepard, as well as enjoying the way the various choices were presented in the trilogy.

The thing is, the ending I got was the kind of ending I had been waiting for all the time I've been playing videogames.  Maybe it's just that the Bioware team also wanted such an ending, but didn't give enough consideration to those who found the series to be immensely enjoyable without the need to make an artistic stament at the end.

I guess Bioware took a big risk with what they did, and a lot of people did not like the direction they took.  I loved it, but my enjoyment of the game was at the expense of many other players.

So yeah, maybe you're right, maybe they did do the wrong thing.  Maybe they will do a reveal at some point to make it up to the fans they upset.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 10 novembre 2012 - 09:58 .

[Restrider]

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...
snip.
I suppose that this indicates that getting to Petrovsky is quite early in the DLC and that there might be something bigger going on behind the scenes. I guess this has been brought up by someone else in this thread earlier.

Sorry, that might have been me. I apologise if that spoiled it for anyone.

I do think it's odd that Bioware themselves have that picture on their main website though. It makes me hopeful that there will be something more to Omega than helping some gangster regain her personal fiefdom in the arse-end of the galaxy. On face value that seems a bit of a diversion during a war of galactic annihilation.

Will you guys be getting Omega as soon as it comes out, or waiting to see if it has some more interesting IT clues first?

Well, I actually have 1250 BWpts and I am inclined to spend them on Omega. This way, I won't have to be cautious in this thread about spoilers. And from what I have seen it looks quite nice.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Davik Kang wrote...

The thing is, the ending I got was the kind of ending I had been waiting for all the time I've been playing videogames.  Maybe it's just that the Bioware team also wanted such an ending, but didn't give enough consideration to those who found the series to be immensely enjoyable without the need to make an artistic stament at the end.

That pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about it. Although I will say I think it's absolutely brilliant, but I understand it's not for everybody.

Unless they come out and follow up on it. I'm more and more inclined to believe that this will actually be the case, because there are so many hints in game.

All the references to it not being the last fight, not being the end, there being 'more war', Liara showing you that there will be light after the darkness, "one more story.", etc.

Just don't want to get my hopes up, and also I could easily see them never revealing anything. Can't ignore picking up on the hints though.

It drives me crazy. =P

[johnj1979]

I've got the same book and did not find it helpful with the ending of the game one bit.

I have over 5000 rating and still Shepard lives and Anderson always dies no matter what I choose to do.

With the awful "Extended Cut" that book is now pointless for the ending now.

[paxxton]

johnj1979 wrote...

I've got the same book and did not find it helpful with the ending of the game one bit.

I have over 5000 rating and still Shepard lives and Anderson always dies no matter what I choose to do.

With the awful "Extended Cut" that book is now pointless for the ending now.

At least you're left with colorful paper you can display on your bookshelf.

[MWMike2011]

Davik Kang wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also David I mean story wise not the end itself. I spent 5 years and playing only the SP, and at the end of it, you get think for yourself.

I mean yes it teaches the younger players, but for the older players like us, and other don't deserve that. Am I right or not?

Were you saying that: having to headcanon the ending is not a good way to end the game just because it might be educational for younger players?  

If so then I agree.  I don't think ME3 should be about trying to educate people.  Nor do I think it should only appeal to a certain kind of person.  

I do agree with many of the reasons that people put forward about why they do not like the ending.  Some people in particular I feel very bad for, especially if they came to love the ME series only to have it end on a disappointing note because it had some weird scene with an annoying holographic child.  I do genuinely see why people flat out don't like it because they wanted to end the game on the same high that they'd got from exploring the universe and making friends with the characters.

I get annoyed with the haters that constantly whine every day about anything they can find in the entire trilogy that someone said was bad.  But I don't at all dislike those who just felt like they'd had the fun of the series taken away from them by the confusing ending.

All I can say is that I liked it a lot.  But that's no reason to suppose that others would like it too.  It may even have helped enormously that I enjoyed the series without considering it my favourite ever game.  Some aspects I liked, and I did get very attached to some of the characters, especially Shepard, as well as enjoying the way the various choices were presented in the trilogy.

The thing is, the ending I got was the kind of ending I had been waiting for all the time I've been playing videogames.  Maybe it's just that the Bioware team also wanted such an ending, but didn't give enough consideration to those who found the series to be immensely enjoyable without the need to make an artistic stament at the end.

I guess Bioware took a big risk with what they did, and a lot of people did not like the direction they took.  I loved it, but my enjoyment of the game was at the expense of many other players.

So yeah, maybe you're right, maybe they did do the wrong thing.  Maybe they will do a reveal at some point to make it up to the fans they upset.

I can only assume they will do some sort of big reveal, but I don't know for sure that will work for the fans that were really pissed off because of the end. I agree, the game was more about the overall experience, not just that last few minutes. No, I wasn't in the majority that was UBER pissed off by the ending, I was more just confused by what they did, because it felt so out of place from the rest of the series.

My ending fit with the game, but the rest just felt wonky for me...felt like there was someone they just randomly pulled of the street, had briefly read about the game before, and threw something together last minute...or it was supposed to indicate something much larger and that they were leading up to something, but wanted to drag it out to keep Mass Effect relevant for more than a few months, to keep people coming back for more. Sadly, I think they over estimated the bulk of their fanbase, and it backfired on them, but it was too late to back out. That is the only reason they even bothered with EC, was because the MAJORITY of their fanbase was ravenous with the ending and EA was breathing down their neck about the bottom line. They threw EC together with a little bit of revelations the fans were asking for and hoped that would tide us over until the REAL deal came out. Personally, I will be more than willing to wait for once the real DLC comes out and see what we will be getting here.

[Restrider]

Just downloading Fornax Vol. 1 and 2...

[MWMike2011]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

The thing is, the ending I got was the kind of ending I had been waiting for all the time I've been playing videogames.  Maybe it's just that the Bioware team also wanted such an ending, but didn't give enough consideration to those who found the series to be immensely enjoyable without the need to make an artistic stament at the end.

That pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about it. Although I will say I think it's absolutely brilliant, but I understand it's not for everybody.

Unless they come out and follow up on it. I'm more and more inclined to believe that this will actually be the case, because there are so many hints in game.

All the references to it not being the last fight, not being the end, there being 'more war', Liara showing you that there will be light after the darkness, "one more story.", etc.

Just don't want to get my hopes up, and also I could easily see them never revealing anything. Can't ignore picking up on the hints though.

It drives me crazy. =P

Agreed. Something strongly hints to me that there will be something big coming on the anniversary date, something for this "one more story" they mention and EVERYONE will get the breath scene and see either Anderson or your LI reaching down and pulling you out of the rubble and the REAL ending starts.

[Restrider]

What the hell O_O

[hukbum]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Where can I see it though?

Here is the fridge brilliance page.

Just wanted to say thanks for the Fridge link

Made me question the whole "bad writing" stuff (have to admit I'm one of the people who thinks it's bad writing somehow - I tend to take things literaly). But especially the Garrus loyal mission is interessting. No bad writing at all. The names of places in ME2 - no bad writing. Really cool.

So - Thanks again, to whoever found this









(Damn ... they're draggin' you to thier dark side hukbum, can't you see it ^^)

[MWMike2011]

Restrider wrote...

What the hell O_O

Maybe? Explain...

[paxxton]

MWMike2011 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

The thing is, the ending I got was the kind of ending I had been waiting for all the time I've been playing videogames.  Maybe it's just that the Bioware team also wanted such an ending, but didn't give enough consideration to those who found the series to be immensely enjoyable without the need to make an artistic stament at the end.

That pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about it. Although I will say I think it's absolutely brilliant, but I understand it's not for everybody.

Unless they come out and follow up on it. I'm more and more inclined to believe that this will actually be the case, because there are so many hints in game.

All the references to it not being the last fight, not being the end, there being 'more war', Liara showing you that there will be light after the darkness, "one more story.", etc.

Just don't want to get my hopes up, and also I could easily see them never revealing anything. Can't ignore picking up on the hints though.

It drives me crazy. =P

Agreed. Something strongly hints to me that there will be something big coming on the anniversary date, something for this "one more story" they mention and EVERYONE will get the breath scene and see either Anderson or your LI reaching down and pulling you out of the rubble and the REAL ending starts.

What anniversary?

[paxxton]

MWMike2011 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

What the hell O_O

Maybe? Explain...

The cereals were tainted.

[Restrider]

MWMike2011 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

What the hell O_O
-snip-

Maybe? Explain...

Check two posts above the picture...

[abnocte]

masster blaster wrote...

One thing that makes no sense is that the stargazer at the end in Control is like the Reapers are gone. Like they all died in a sense. That goes with Synthesis EDI talks about transending mortality to imortality. And why is it that the place isn't green shouldn't the place the trees all be green?

Yet for Destroy is makes sense.

My personal imput is that the Stargazer male version is ment for Destroy, and not Syntheisis and Control. It's more like a clue that " wait why is it that this Stargazer scene looks just likethe Synthesis, and Control one?" It's like Bioware was showing us that hey look guys the Reapers are dead in this future. I wonder how did it happen? Oh wait Destroy seems possible, yet could it be that maybe Destroy wakes your Shepard up and you can finish the fight?

If the IT its correct, the Crucible never got used. The fleets defeated the Reapers the "hard way" regardless of what choice did you pick. That's why the stargazer scene is exactly the same for all options.

Well, thats what I like to think.

[MaximizedAction]

Restrider wrote...
Check two posts above the picture...

What did you expect? Asari playing beach volleyball?

[CmdrShep80]

johnj1979 wrote...

I've got the same book and did not find it helpful with the ending of the game one bit.

I have over 5000 rating and still Shepard lives and Anderson always dies no matter what I choose to do.

With the awful "Extended Cut" that book is now pointless for the ending now.

thats what I was trying to get at. The guides usually explain away the ending but I think the guide was paid by BioWare to intentionally leave out the ending beyond a brief 1 line of what happens based on EMS. 

To DD - did you read the page in the strategy guide pic?  The whole 1- 7 was about the contents of the page. 

The second half was me trying to figure out how BioWare can lead up to a swapped ending alignment. What I think so far is the previous scene sets the tone and i think starts to mess with the alignment choices and you have to shoot Anderson himself and let TIM shoot himself as a paragon option rather than shoot TIM under renegade (thus saving Anderson). The guide puts not saving Anderson as a higher EMS option