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Re: The Skip ME1&2+all DLC crowd. Do those people care about the ending?

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SwobyJ wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

I have a hard time believing both the crucible and the citadel are a trap. Though when you look at it as let's leave the galaxy to spend all their resources on defeating us by giving them a dud bomb to build it would help the reapers divert the galaxy's attention away from the true objective too.

Guess we'll have to wait and see if omega is also a past crucible from the last cycle


My strong inclination is that the Crucible is a trap *in some form*, but I'm holding out on believing anything until at least Omega comes out.


I agree with this. I know people were pooh-poohing the idea that there's any sort of significance to the similar shapes of the Crucible and Omega, but... I dunno. Spidey senses are tingling and I refuse to swear to the Codex entry on Omega since it's written from an in-game perspective.


Sidenote, (and I've REALLY got to stop doing this in this thread, but I read a hell of a lot of plays), I was just reading the Wiki article for Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" and it's got an interesting blip about the title: "The word crucible is contextually defined as a metal container in which metals or other substances are subjected to high temperatures. Each character is metaphorically a metal subjected to the heat of the surrounding situation. The characters whose moral standards prevail in the face of death, such as John Proctor and Rebecca Nurse, symbolically refuse to melt. "Crucible" can also mean a severe test, which most characters face in the play."

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magnetite wrote...

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So...just for mere curiosity sake, what are we going to do if IT turns out to be crap?


Based off of my 45 hour playthough of the game, it is true, 100%. However, people still need some sort of official confirmation. They say they'd like actual game content that provides clues to explain the ending (even thought we've been getting that with Leviathan, and the EC).

I don't know, there's writing on the wall, but some of these people aren't reading it. They take the hints as "plot holes" that the writers forgot to fill in. For example, Shepard talking to the Starchild in space without a helmet or spacesuit. Or the fact that Shepard somehow magically survived a 100 kilometer fall and woke up in London (or some believe hs's still on the Citadel).


I guess, compared to the rest of you on here, I must be just a casual player! lol I think I probably put about 45 hours into each game, although ME1 was probably less since that was my first exposure to it, dunno, I'll check after work. I haven't read any of the books or comics, although I plan on getting all of them in a bundle from Amazon Kindle. That said, after reading all the evidence and experiencing it for myself, I feel it is most likely true. I'm just concerned that BioWare isn't going that direction, that eventually we will come to find out that they were holding true to their literal word that there is nothing more to the endings than what we have. Yes, I have read between the lines that they are not changing their writers original artistic vision for the series (i.e., we haven't seen the full thing yet, chill the hell out). I guess we will find out sooner or later.

Although, I'm very curious as to what we will find in Omega's coding...

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Well Otter um for PS3 players I would give them a some slack. They don't have ME1 yet, so ya. Though I don't have all dlc, but in all due time. Also I read a few of their comics and books yet I only started to read them after ME3.

So what I will say is overall ME4 will suck if it's a new galaxy.

It's called Mass Effect for a reason.

Look at Halo it's called Halo because of the Halo's.

AC because of the creed. I mean come on.

If they make a game before ME takes place then I wouldn't buy it.

We all know that the Reapers win in the past, unless it's during the first contact War, then I am game.

Oh were was I oh right. If Bioware makes a game that has no Geth, Krogan, Turians, Asari, Salarians,Vorcha, Batarians,Elcor, Hanar, Drell, rachni,quarians, and volus but have Humans I will just not even buy it.

I mean come on play as a Human and find new alien races again without the once you got to know and love.

I mean yes I get it no Shepard, but in the end that's what we are going to compare it to.

I mean come on it's not going to be the same if we play as a new character and we meet new people, yet it has the same tech as ME 1- 3 did.

And that's why I hated the old republic a bit.

Where did all of this tech go, and why couldn't the Republic just use the old tech. Seriously maybe the Republic could have won more battels if they had the old republic tech.

Oh and hey remember if Revan keeps the star forge he becomes evil ( well she to), yet if she Destroys the Starforge we get happy end/ good guy.

Hello Destroy good path.

Control bad path, or

Destroy Collector base good

Save the base bad.

Oh and didn't Casey work on the KoTOR?

Oh and The Sith lords end was quite like the end of ME3.

I mean your master was evil, but to here she thought the galaxy could be at peace without the force. ( or did I get it mixed up? Been 4 years since I played it) Synthesi = no force everyone is happy

Control= you controll the force, but in the end you fall to the dark side, or if your evil, then well you just are plan evil

Destroy= you Destroy Malacor 5 and save the galaxy.

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@mike just curious what did you make of the moderators comment in your "Give them a chance" thread?

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MWMike2011 wrote...

I guess, compared to the rest of you on here, I must be just a casual player! lol I think I probably put about 45 hours into each game, although ME1 was probably less since that was my first exposure to it, dunno, I'll check after work. I haven't read any of the books or comics, although I plan on getting all of them in a bundle from Amazon Kindle. That said, after reading all the evidence and experiencing it for myself, I feel it is most likely true. I'm just concerned that BioWare isn't going that direction, that eventually we will come to find out that they were holding true to their literal word that there is nothing more to the endings than what we have. Yes, I have read between the lines that they are not changing their writers original artistic vision for the series (i.e., we haven't seen the full thing yet, chill the hell out). I guess we will find out sooner or later.

Although, I'm very curious as to what we will find in Omega's coding...


That's what they want people to believe. People take the ending literally, but they've said before that there are many non-literal parts of the game (with the ending being one of them).

At any rate, I still believe the real ending will come with the final DLC for the game (sometime next year), since they said they have at least a years worth of DLC planned, minus the EC, which wasn't planned. Everything so far (eg. Leviathan) has come before the ending. Minus the EC. See, with this being the last in the trilogy and the end to Shepard's story, it doesn't make sense to have the DLC come after the ending.

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paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

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Hey, did you guys see this article on the omega DLC already?

4 hour DLC? Is this a joke!?


keep this in mind they said 70+ hours for the trilogy too. ME3 has an action mode so that would probably be right just to play without any exploring. For me I will probably take 6-8 because of the exploring. I know I didn't beat Leviathan all in one  or 2 hours because of the same reason 

Oh, it took me about 10 hours to beat Leviathan. So if it was meant to be a 2 hour DLC, Omega, being a 4 hour DLC, could take up to 20. That's more like it.


Leviathan can be done in 2 hours if you basically rush it, but still watch all conversations.

I did Leviathan in 3-4 hours on Insanity, so I expect at least 5 hours on my personal pace. I'm OK with that, but for $15, I would have preferred 6-7 hours.

If the 4 missions it is made up of, are more 'full mission' size, instead of 'mini-main mission' size like the 3 Leviathan missions (altogether I'd say Leviathan was the size of 2 big main missions), I'm OK with it. It's just on the cusp of acceptable for that price though.

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JMDekker2 wrote...

@mike just curious what did you make of the moderators comment in your "Give them a chance" thread?


I appreciated that he kinda was backing me up, but I understand why he shut it down...

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Hey, did you guys see this article on the omega DLC already?


Something I noticed from that:

Nyreen is ex-turian military, but, despite this, she is a biotic (turian military hierarchy prohibits biotic powers).

From the Turian Military Doctrine codex:

Biotics are uncommon. While admired for their exacting skills, biotics' motives are not always trusted by the common soldier. The turians prefer to assign their biotics to specialist teams called Cabals.

Lore is hard.


We don't know her story yet. She may have hid her biotics, or it was revealed and she was kicked out or shamed, or whatever. We don't know yet, if it will be addressed in the story.

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What did the Mod say Mike?

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MWMike2011 wrote...

JMDekker2 wrote...

@mike just curious what did you make of the moderators comment in your "Give them a chance" thread?


I appreciated that he kinda was backing me up, but I understand why he shut it down... I mean, in all honesty, I was getting tired of all the damned negative comments we have all over these boards about how gawdawful ME3 and BioWare in general are, which is curious that they feel that way, yet spend all their free time just perusing BSN just to bash those of us that still have hope in the company and the franchise.



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I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

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He made a fair point, though I think what he said can be taken the wrong way. Arguing about it is dead, only reason I commented is for that little extra satisfaction I'll get if Bioware do have a plan and fulfill it

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masster blaster wrote...

What did the Mod say Mike?


"Nothings going to be solved here. OP, nice sentiment I suppose, but this thread is ultimately just another beating to the same dead horse."

Modifié par MWMike2011, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:40 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.


Same. Aria, while a badass in her own right, seems intent on infringing on my Shepard's badassery, and there is no room for that! :devil:

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JMDekker2 wrote...

He made a fair point, though I think what he said can be taken the wrong way. Arguing about it is dead, only reason I commented is for that little extra satisfaction I'll get if Bioware do have a plan and fulfill it


Yeah, that "I suppose" was kinda out of line, although there was a point where I did unabashedly hate on EA...

I suppose what he was getting at was that there was no point to another thread where someone TRIES to defend BioWare only to have all of the trolls flock to it. Granted, there were a few there that were backing me up, but ultimately, it was just a troll cesspool

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

Dang it! Put spoiler alerts before such posts! Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.


Aria, hands down.

I dont care how cool Nyreen is, Aria is Trinity.

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So...just for mere curiosity sake, what are we going to do if IT turns out to be crap?


It'll be 2013 so...

-get my undergrad
-a goodish job in the meantime
-see whether my relationship with my boyfriend is going to be long term or will end (not that I'm planning or wanting it, but it'll be around that 2-3 hour point where a lot of non-marriage relationships end)
-other games, MMOs, RPGs, etc
-I started my more active lifestyle this Fall, and I plan on more seriously working out (tone, strength, endurance, cardio, etc) in Spring

By no means do I need to buy a ME4. I have a friggin library to choose from now, of unplayed or unfinished games.

I played Fable III on my PC tonight. I kinda like it, but since I never finished Fable and didn't really play Fable II at all, I don't have that context that got people complaining.

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paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

Dang it! Put spoiler alerts before such posts! Posted Image


"Put spoilers before unsubstantiated rumors!"

Calm down, Paxxton.

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.


Aria, hands down.

I dont care how cool Nyreen is, Aria is Trinity.

No, she's not. She only sounds like her. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.


Aria, hands down.

I dont care how cool Nyreen is, Aria is Trinity.

No, she's not. She only sounds like her. Posted Image


So, I looked at Trinity's page on Wikipedia:

Trinity is a fictional character in The Matrix franchise. She is portrayed by Carrie-Anne Moss in the films. In the gameplay segments of Path of Neo, she is voiced by Jennifer Hale.

So, both Aria AND FemShep sound like Trinity.

Mind = blown

Modifié par byne, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:48 .


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paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

Dang it! Put spoiler alerts before such posts! Posted Image


Rumours Pax, Nothing even close to confirmed.

byne wrote...

So, I looked at Trinity's page on Wikipedia:

Trinity is a fictional character in The Matrix franchise. She is portrayed by Carrie-Anne Moss in the films. In the gameplay segments of Path of Neo, she is voiced by Jennifer Hale.

So, both Aria AND FemShep sound like Trinity.

Mind = blown


Posted Image

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

Dang it! Put spoiler alerts before such posts! Posted Image


"Put spoilers before unsubstantiated rumors!"

Calm down, Paxxton.

Maybe but it might have a grain of truth. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:50 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

Dang it! Put spoiler alerts before such posts! Posted Image


RumoUrs Pax, Nothing even close to confirmed.


You silly Canadians and your unneeded u's.


Edit: I am top. That makes me right. All unneeded u's must go!

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