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[demersel]

Illusive man's line, "I wish you could see it like i do. It so perfect" always reminds me of "Planet Earth is blue and there is nothing I do" line from space odditity, and it's general context.

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...

Illusive man's line, "I wish you could see it like i do. It so perfect" always reminds me of "Planet Earth is blue and there is nothing I do" line from space odditity, and it's general context.

The Illusive Ziggy Stardust. Fine with me.

So, any new developments during the last 10 pages?

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

Hard to say since we know nothing about Nyreen, but yeah, I'm going with Nyreen as well. Aria's just another scumbag warlord. The fact it has been in her best interest not to cross blades with Shepard doesn't mean she's not what she is.

BleedingUranium wrote...

If you want a confirmed spoiler, here's one from the official site. Adds to the idea that this DLC will have bigger things going on.

!!! Default FemShep! Oh God, my eyes!

byne wrote...

Vasir hated Cerberus, and she was really just in the wrong place at the wrong time when the Shadow Broker needed someone to kill Liara. If not her it'd have been someone else.

I actually sort of liked Tela. If there had been a way to save her, I'd totally have done it, even though she tried to kill Shepard's girlfriend.

I'd have lit the **** on fire if I had a chance. She blew up a building full of innocent people. She has no right to speak of the morals of Cerberus. She's no better than the filthiest scum Cerberus has to offer. She's no better than Kai Leng. "Don't you dare judge me" she says. I wanted to start breaking her fingers while I explained to her the difference in having to work with evil against a greater evil but never doing evil oneself, never doing their dirty work, and simply being part of that evil. Like she was. I'll judge you all I damn well please, Vasir.

BatmanTurian wrote...

So apparently Byne made up IT just to ****** off people who choose control and synthesis. Well done, Byne.

/sarcasm

Seriously, Ieldra says the endings are morally devisive, then doesn't realize why they're devisive (because they're making you think like a Reaper). Also, apparently people have different moral compasses and we should respect that.

Oh wait, we don't. People with different moral compasses than the norm commit crimes and receive punishment.

Then there's Xil, who just wants to save everyone, even omnicidal cyborg frankenstein machines.

Honestly, control and synth people are just loopy. They're indoctrinated (with a lower case i, the regular indoctrinated) and don't even realize it. They are defending the indefensible, committed to the unthinkable, call anyone else who thinks differently zealots, and clearly have no ability to objectively consider that they might be completely wrong or just not thinking clearly. As intelligent as they wish to appear, they just seem to lack the necessary cognitive function of the brain to comprehend critical reasoning. I'm just sick of them all.

It's just... <wipes away a tear> It's so beautiful....

[demersel]

And the future to be reveal of IT and the meeting with the real Illusivw Man will go something like this -
"We passed upon the stair, we spoke of was and when although I wasn't there, he said I was his friend, which came as some surprise. I spoke into his eyes
- I thought you died alone, a long long time ago!
- Oh no, not me I never lost control. You're face to face with the man who sold the world!"

Modifié par demersel, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[MegumiAzusa]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

The beginning supports the reason I think Shepard may be indoctrinated since ME1. When he interacts with the beacon, we hear whispers but it never happens with the other beacons

I pointed that out in maybe may or june? (the whispers part) But you miss another point: the first time it's whispers the time on Virmire you even see Nazara which then plainly states "You touch my mind." They are obviously linked.
Also in ME3 before Shep exclaims that there is a beacon all around you goes black and you hear lots of Reaper sounds.

[Gwyphon]

demersel wrote...

And the future to be reveal of IT and the meeting with the real Illusivw Man will go something like this -
"We passed upon the stair, we spoke of was and when although I wasn't there, he said I was his friend, which came as some surprise. I spoke into his eyes
- I thought you died alone, a long long time ago!
- Oh no, not me I never lost control. You're face to face with the man who sold the world!"

I am loving your references tonight. 

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I believe it was mentioned before, but there are rumours that you'll have to choose between Aria and Nyreen at some point in Omega. Since we have no other context at this point, who would you choose? I'd pick Nyreen, as I've never liked Aria.

Yes.

http://www.twitch.tv...are/b/338467865 @32:30 I think he slipped and the choice he is talking about is a choice between Aria and Nyreen.

Aria still as she's badaaaass

[demersel]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

The beginning supports the reason I think Shepard may be indoctrinated since ME1. When he interacts with the beacon, we hear whispers but it never happens with the other beacons

I pointed that out in maybe may or june? (the whispers part) But you miss another point: the first time it's whispers the time on Virmire you even see Nazara which then plainly states "You touch my mind." They are obviously linked.
Also in ME3 before Shep exclaims that there is a beacon all around you goes black and you hear lots of Reaper sounds.

i think it is entirely possible that ALL organic life already has some amount of indoctrination in it, and certainly built in predisposition to it - all those belief in higher powers, gods, and other traits that indoctrination uses and plays upon like paranoia, or dismmisal of obvious, fear, hate, love, desire - it is already inside all from the very beginning. And we can really be disigned this way accourding to ME lore - reapers run experiments on evolution - so this is how they condition their test subjects initially - it is the ultimate control chip they built in all organic life - predesposition to indoctrination - compatability with it. 

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Tela Vasir was a traitor. A Cerberus mole.
 
EDIT: Or Shadow Broker's.

Vasir hated Cerberus, and she was really just in the wrong place at the wrong time when the Shadow Broker needed someone to kill Liara. If not her it'd have been someone else.

I actually sort of liked Tela. If there had been a way to save her, I'd totally have done it, even though she tried to kill Shepard's girlfriend.

Good thing the Shadow Broker didn't have Mordin as operative. Someone else gotten it wrong.

[demersel]

You guys all forget very crucial info. We KNOW that a number of VA had recording sessions long after leviathan was released, the ones like our squadmates, kaidan, ashley etc. - like in august and september. We KNOW that Harbinger's VA had recording sessions. Yet, no they tell us that we can't bring our squad to omega (supposedly). And that there will be no harbinger in it. Ok. SO what DID they record? ))))))

[Davik Kang]

BatmanTurian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

BT, that thread is filled with pure stupid. Who cares about convincing them. They don't debate honestly anyways. Just an endless parade of dumb. IT or not, synthesis is pure fail. Put it like this: If we're wrong it's not because they're right.

I'm just venting because I'm tired and grouchy. Most of the time I try to play nice, but it's become difficult now since synthesis and control people have gone way into headcanon territory. Then there's the fact that they feel threatened by IT, as if we somehow change their game. Bioware would be the one to do that, so it's misplaced paranoia. They can see the ending however they like, but it doesn't mean they're right. Why be so insecure about your interpretation to go so far as to say we are trying to ruin synthesis and control endings? Hate to break it to them, but Synthesis and Control were already ruined by two villians and an entire dlc from ME2 and it's not an association fallacy if the writer clearly intends to show that those roads are supported by evil, brainwashed people.

...

Sorry if I sound arrogant or insulting. I just get tired of the BS(N) every once in a while and need to vent. Going to go get some sleep now.

I know where you're coming from with regard to the general hate on these boards.  I spend a lot of time in other threads, and used to spend time in my own threads, arguing with people about this and that.  But so many discussions just turn into random hate directed at Bioware for anything people can find to hate about.

It's the same with anti-IT threads.  After a while, people will start whining about anything they can get their hands on - EA, money-grabbing, day 1 DLC, auto-dialgue... almost all of these people end up talking about how ME2 and sometimes even ME1 was a terrible game too.

There's basically a hate cult on BSN - start talking about anything negative, and they'll bring up everything else negative, regardless of content.  Som someone says "what about IT then?" and they'll come swooping in, screaming "idiot, the endings are a crime, no way could Bioware be that clever, look they stripped RPG elements from the game, EA came and ruined everything, Casey calls it Artistic Integrity LOL" etc. etc.  Virtually every thread ends up like this.  They'll grasp at anything and hack it to bits.

That's why I don't dislike the Syn/Con guys.  Sure I disagree with them, but at least they've got something positive to say.  At least it makes sense that they're here on BSN, 8 months after the game shipped.  In theory, if not for all the arguing, they might be able to show me why Con or Syn aren't so bad.

But the desire to hate ME3 and hate Bioware - it's insanely strong.  A bunch of the people on this forum are like packs of hyaenas and wolves, just waiting for their next fill, desiring nothing but to tear people and ideas to shreds.  It's these guys that truly baffle me.  I don't know what kind of a person spends all their time on an internet forum just to bash things and insult people.

[demersel]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Good thing the Shadow Broker didn't have Mordin as operative. Someone else gotten it wrong.

Come to think of it - Illusive Man really did a great job picking your team for you - he did pick some pretty important people. I really wander what Okeer would be like if he survived and joined our squad. His take on the genophage problem really clicked with me and I did agreed with his view of it.

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...

You guys all forget very crucial info. We KNOW that a number of VA had recording sessions long after leviathan was released, the ones like our squadmates, kaidan, ashley etc. - like in august and september. We KNOW that Harbinger's VA had recording sessions. Yet, no they tell us that we can't bring our squad to omega (supposedly). And that there will be no harbinger in it. Ok. SO what DID they record? ))))))

Stuff for that upcoming SP DLC that is "unlike anything they've done before".
Nah, I think that the Omega DLC will have additional lines for the squadies, only because they're not with you on the missions doesn't mean that they won't have lines to comment on the missions.

Davik Kang wrote...
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But the desire to hate ME3 and hate Bioware - it's insanely strong.  A bunch of the people on this forum are like packs of hyaenas and wolves, just waiting for their next fill, desiring nothing but to tear people and ideas to shreds. It's these guys that truly baffle me. I don't know what kind of a person spends all their time on an internet forum just to bash things and insult people.

Looks like someone's never been on 4chan.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[demersel]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stuff for that upcoming SP DLC that is "unlike anything they've done before".
Nah, I think that the Omega DLC will have additional lines for the squadies, only because they're not with you on the missions doesn't mean that they won't have lines to comment on the missions.

I'm just saying that it could not have been for Omega, but for another SP DLC that is not announced yet. 

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...
I'm just saying that it could not have been for Omega, but for another SP DLC that is not announced yet. 

Why? Sure it's seems like it's not worth it to call in VAs just for a few side remarks about the mission; on the other hand if the next SP DLC is up for a release in probably 3 months it does seem a bit early to already record lines for that future DLC.

So that's why I think that it's probably for Omega. (assuming MP won't begin featuring squadies)

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

You guys all forget very crucial info. We KNOW that a number of VA had recording sessions long after leviathan was released, the ones like our squadmates, kaidan, ashley etc. - like in august and september. We KNOW that Harbinger's VA had recording sessions. Yet, no they tell us that we can't bring our squad to omega (supposedly). And that there will be no harbinger in it. Ok. SO what DID they record? ))))))

Harbinger VA could have just been for the mp dlc trailer.

demersel wrote...

Come to think of it - Illusive Man really did a great job picking your team for you - he did pick some pretty important people. I really wander what Okeer would be like if he survived and joined our squad. His take on the genophage problem really clicked with me and I did agreed with his view of it.

My guess is TIMs idea was that he should have worked with Mordin on some of the experiments the Collectors did. Both are superb geneticists.

[MegumiAzusa]

MWMike2011 wrote...

Here's another "just for giggles," since we haven't had a whole lot to go on this weekend... Indoctrination is true. Shepard wakes up in London, dusts herself off, snaps the neck of a nearby husk, just looks the part of badass. What happens next? What will they do to end the game?

You know you're reading too much the ME books if you automatically read "dust up" instead of "dusts herself off".
Also fixed Sheps gender for you.

[Gwyphon]

MaximizedAction wrote...

demersel wrote...
I'm just saying that it could not have been for Omega, but for another SP DLC that is not announced yet. 

Why? Sure it's seems like it's not worth it to call in VAs just for a few side remarks about the mission; on the other hand if the next SP DLC is up for a release in probably 3 months it does seem a bit early to already record lines for that future DLC.

So that's why I think that it's probably for Omega. (assuming MP won't begin featuring squadies)

So far seperate Bioware teams have made each of the SP dlc's, which is how they get them out so quickly. So In reality they'd be pretty far in the next DLC development.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

I would be pleased with Shepard waking up from the failed indoctrination attempt, with the feedback screwing with Harby, leading to the fleets shooting down the reaper fleet and the end scene being Shepard looking up at the sky as destroyed reapers fall out of the sky. Though I'm guessing it will have to be something more significant if they wen't to the trouble of adding a second ending.

Reminds me of this in the codex:

Sovereign was destroyed while assuming direct control over Saren. The feedback from Saren's death seemed to entirely overload Sovereign's shields. Current Reapers do not seem to suffer from this design flaw.

While it may be true that the current Reapers dont suffer from this design flaw (and given the accuracy of the codex, theres like a 98% chance that they do in fact suffer from it), Leviathan confirmed Harby was the first Reaper. He'd likely have the flaw too. Why else does he never assume direct control over anything once he's actually in the galaxy and no longer safe in darkspace?

But you have to see it this way: from the MP we see Harby has upgraded and now he can even assume direct control over multiple assets.

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

I could never romance Tali because I saw Garrus and Tali getting together at the end. I was like Garrus you better take care of her or I am coming for you ***.


Then Javik came into Liaras life, and I thought she was um going to get to close to Javik. I am joking of course Liara would never do that, or could she? Well as I saw that it wasn't going to work after Thesisa, but if you have Paragon interupt option flash then you tell Javik hey be nice to her.

Then after words Tali get's drunk and if you go down to Javiks quarters Tali tells Javik.

" You like her, and you like me to."

What was funny if your LI is Liara Javik would be in a weird moment if Shepard heard Javik say.

" Yes I am...starting to like that Asari you call Liara. Oh and when he reads your body waves he seems sad that your LI is Liara.

So the way I see it I don't romance Tali because of Garrus, and Liara and Javik maybe if you change Javiks mind to write a book with Liara.

Oh and did you know that Javik can write a book with Liara and want to kill himself after the war is over?

Garrus Tali was foreshadowed in ME3 a lot.
What I  thought might've been possible was Liara-Kaidan (if both onromanced of course).
In ME1 Kaidan appreciates Laira (after Therum) and what Liara says about Kaidan, if he died during the Coup sounded as Kaidan was the most important human to her (excluding Shepard).

[Rifneno]

Restrider wrote...

Garrus Tali was foreshadowed in ME3 a lot.
What I  thought might've been possible was Liara-Kaidan (if both onromanced of course).
In ME1 Kaidan appreciates Laira (after Therum) and what Liara says about Kaidan, if he died during the Coup sounded as Kaidan was the most important human to her (excluding Shepard).

No way!  Someone likes Kaidan?!

[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

The beginning supports the reason I think Shepard may be indoctrinated since ME1. When he interacts with the beacon, we hear whispers but it never happens with the other beacons

I pointed that out in maybe may or june? (the whispers part) But you miss another point: the first time it's whispers the time on Virmire you even see Nazara which then plainly states "You touch my mind." They are obviously linked.
Also in ME3 before Shep exclaims that there is a beacon all around you goes black and you hear lots of Reaper sounds.

So, as we assume that Harbinger is in Shepard's head and there is usually a connection between a Reaper and his indoctrination victim, what about the following idea:

After the choice, you have to fight in a VR to get out of the hallucination and while doing that you gather important information of how to beat/severely set back the Reapers. I am not so fond with the idea that breaking free of the indoctrination stuns Harbinger as it happened with Sovereign.
Then you wake up in London with information needed to use the Crucible (that initially is a energy source that, combined with the Citadel/Relay Network, mass indoctrinates [just an idea]), get somehow into the Citadel and with the help of your assets there and doing a certain set of missions you can change the configuration of the Citadel to do sth... (please not the same choices as in the dreams). Maybe just deactive the Reaper's shields or somehow fill their processing units with static to confuse them.

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...
No way!  Someone likes Kaidan?!

Why is that impossible?
In a universe where interesting squadmates (Kasumi) like Jacob, it is way more probable that someone likes Kaidan!
Side-Note: To add to the Jacob bashing, even the SB thinks that Jacob is boring (the only noteworthy thing in his dossier is his work-out routine, really??).

Edit: Shameless Promotion!

Modifié par Restrider, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[Rifneno]

Restrider wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
No way!  Someone likes Kaidan?!

Why is that impossible?
In a universe where interesting squadmates (Kasumi) like Jacob, it is way more probable that someone likes Kaidan!
Side-Note: To add to the Jacob bashing, even the SB thinks that Jacob is boring (the only noteworthy thing in his dossier is his work-out routine, really??).

I suppose you've got me there. If someone can like Jacob, anything is possible. Did you know Jacob never gets sick? Even viruses and bacteria are disinterested in him.

[Restrider]

@ Rif:
Do you have more of those funny images showing how Jacob is boring? I sure like those.
Edit: Top with Jacob bashing... now that's good! Oh, and shameless promotion, since it's top!

Modifié par Restrider, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:42 .