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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Oh, cool. Did they release those on their homepage or something?

Prediction: Season 11 will focus on BGC guys and may or may not include Church/Carolina.


Theres a short video at the very end of the DVD showing a few clips like that. One has Georgia flying through space and crashing into that window, and talking with Utah for a couple seconds, then one shows Doc getting left behind on Valhalla when the others went to fight the Director, one has Carolina walking towards the club, and theres one after the South vs North fight, with him carrying her on his back. She claims she only lost because two sniper rifles is cheating, then he says he'll always have her back, and she says she'll always watch his back.

I kind of hate South for being such a **** and lying like that.

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Legion says that that platform is too complex for the Reapers to do what they did to the rest of the geth.  Which is entirely possible, as they established in ME2 that Legion is a unique platform with the best hardware so he can be a network unto himself.

Geth are looking a bit dodgy, but I still trust them more than the damned quarians.

+1.

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you know I didn't even think of the Quarians frying under the literal ending idea.  I really didn't associate Quarian suit  to destroy ending


According to one of Harbinger's quotes (wait for 18 seconds)  in Mass Effect 2, Quarians were considered due to cybernetic augmentation, so I guess that would mean partly synthetic, and yet they live in the destroy ending.

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Oh, cool. Did they release those on their homepage or something?

Prediction: Season 11 will focus on BGC guys and may or may not include Church/Carolina.


Theres a short video at the very end of the DVD showing a few clips like that. One has Georgia flying through space and crashing into that window, and talking with Utah for a couple seconds, then one shows Doc getting left behind on Valhalla when the others went to fight the Director, one has Carolina walking towards the club, and theres one after the South vs North fight, with him carrying her on his back. She claims she only lost because two sniper rifles is cheating, then he says he'll always have her back, and she says she'll always watch his back.

I kind of hate South for being such a **** and lying like that.

It's okay; Wash will show her. Posted Image

I wonder if those clips were cut or if they're just easter eggs. Gonna go eat; see you all later.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...
you know I didn't even think of the Quarians frying under the literal ending idea.  I really didn't associate Quarian suit  to destroy ending


According to one of Harbinger's quotes  in Mass Effect 2, Quarians were considered due to cybernetic augmentation, so I guess that would mean partly synthetic, and yet they live in the destroy ending.

As can Shepard. Nothing in literal makes sense. Plus, they were essentially considered due to synthesis.

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Ok, I've been wondering this since that screenshot from Omega posted, who the hell is Petrovsky? It's been a while since I played ME2, was he from there? Or from the books/comics?


hes from the comics. From the ME Invasion comics

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As can Shepard. Nothing in literal makes sense. Plus, they were essentially considered due to synthesis.


Yah, I was just kind of thinking out loud (in the second half of that sentence). I do that quite a bit.

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invetro wrote...

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I have just noticed that when Legion is freed from the reapers in the geth dreadnought mission, a blue ball of energy explodes outwards, passing over Shep and co. I don't even know if it's relevant to IT, but it's bugging me now. I'm unsure if this pulse is just Legion disabling the drive core, but if it contains any reaper signals, then it passes through every Shepard who plays through ME3.
On the subject of the geth, they only allied with the reapers after the Quarians attacked, right? So the reapers were just waiting around for organics to "provoke" synthetics before conveniently offering their assistance?


It would seem so. And despite their claims of wanting to protect organics from synthetics, the Reapers stepped in and upgraded the geth right as the quarians were about to wipe them out.

Because I know that when I'm trying to protect organics, and the organics are about to wipe out all synthetics, I make sure to upgrade the synthetics and kill the organics.

It just makes good sense.


Which begs the question, how close were they really to the old machines? Legions omissions of truth throughout ME3 aside, the geth are looking increasingly dodgy to me at this point.
Legion never seems subjucated like the rest of the geth do either. His first words are pretty much "help me" and at this stage, I can see/remember no explanation as to why Legions platform is essentially unchanged and willing to assist Shepard.

And where do we first discover him? A dead reaper... *chinstroke*

Also in the book gives us precedence for the Reapers emulating the behavior of someone who is captured to achieve their goals. Problem is the Geth do count as positive to your military strength which would make the "the Geth are still Reaper controlled" void.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

Ok, I've been wondering this since that screenshot from Omega posted, who the hell is Petrovsky? It's been a while since I played ME2, was he from there? Or from the books/comics?


hes from the comics. From the ME Invasion comics


That would be why I had no damn Idea who he was. lol

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@rif- how can any synthetic platform be more advanced than the reapers? The reapers have a tendency to destroy advanced beings that come close to advancing to the reapers' level. I have a feeling legion might be like what happened to Rana. Where a game later we'll regret a certain decision

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Rifneno wrote...

Legion says that that platform is too complex for the Reapers to do what they did to the rest of the geth.  Which is entirely possible, as they established in ME2 that Legion is a unique platform with the best hardware so he can be a network unto himself.

Geth are looking a bit dodgy, but I still trust them more than the damned quarians.


Ah, that makes sense. It casts a confusing light on the hacking capabilities of reapers though. A weakness?

And yes, while I like Tali, quarians usually get blasted into oblivion in most of my playthroughs.

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Anybody know of a way I can get these in ebook form? I wouldn't mind reading them, but I don't want to get the physical books, would much rather get an e-copy...

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


On another note: why is there a mirrored F on the Scorpion?

Looked like an "R" to me. Blur said it looked like the Pi symbol, and I agree. It makes sense for the salarians.

It's and F:

Yes, yes, I know what letters are thank you very much. That symbol is not on there.

Pi.


Its the capital F, just backwards, like Megumi said.

I blame whoever made that chart. That is not an "F"... Posted Image

I still think it's a Pi reference.

Edit: Dinner!

I made that chart based on
Posted Image
and
Posted Image
and is proven to be correct when translating text from ME2 and ME3.
Red are uppercase letters
Green are lowercase letters
Blue are numbers and other symbols.

Also this is pi: upper case: Π lower case: π

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 novembre 2012 - 03:43 .


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MWMike2011 wrote...

Anybody know of a way I can get these in ebook form? I wouldn't mind reading them, but I don't want to get the physical books, would much rather get an e-copy...

for the comics:
https://digital.darkhorse.com
for the books:
http://www.ebooks.com

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

Anybody know of a way I can get these in ebook form? I wouldn't mind reading them, but I don't want to get the physical books, would much rather get an e-copy...

for the comics:
https://digital.darkhorse.com
for the books:
http://www.ebooks.com


Wow, awesome, thanks! I'll probably grab the books for Kindle app next payday, they have all four of them bundled for $25

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MWMike2011 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

Anybody know of a way I can get these in ebook form? I wouldn't mind reading them, but I don't want to get the physical books, would much rather get an e-copy...

for the comics:
https://digital.darkhorse.com
for the books:
http://www.ebooks.com


Wow, awesome, thanks! I'll probably grab the books for Kindle app next payday, they have all four of them bundled for $25

You can read the books and comics on any device.

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Also in the book gives us precedence for the Reapers emulating the behavior of someone who is captured to achieve their goals. Problem is the Geth do count as positive to your military strength which would make the "the Geth are still Reaper controlled" void.


Just throwing this out there, but if indoctrinated individuals can be spurred into murder through their reaper involvement, then geth sleeper cells could possibly be used as walking indoctrination devices. I don't actually think that's the case, it's a what if, but it would benefit reapers to have some sort of stealth code hidden in the reaper upgrades that only activate under certain circumstances.

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invetro wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Also in the book gives us precedence for the Reapers emulating the behavior of someone who is captured to achieve their goals. Problem is the Geth do count as positive to your military strength which would make the "the Geth are still Reaper controlled" void.


Just throwing this out there, but if indoctrinated individuals can be spurred into murder through their reaper involvement, then geth sleeper cells could possibly be used as walking indoctrination devices. I don't actually think that's the case, it's a what if, but it would benefit reapers to have some sort of stealth code hidden in the reaper upgrades that only activate under certain circumstances.

True, but again as it counts as positive it's highly unlikely.

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Thanks again for that site, Meg. that will help A LOT. I was hoping to get caught up on the comics, and maybe even some other series, too.

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Well, I'm going to be watching the livestream that the TribeTwelve guy Noah Maxwell is doing. I fully expect to be scared out of my wits at 11:11 (Any Slenderfans will know why :P).

Edit: Also, since I have three minutes, anything I need to know?

Modifié par Dwailing, 12 novembre 2012 - 03:27 .


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I agree. I actually have followed IT theory since that Acavayos video, but only recently started following the BSN threads (like, 1780 or something of Mark III) and missed all of the Morning Troll Wars. Those that have been here the whole time, roughly what pages of Mark I and Mark II are we talking here?

All of them

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@invetro

Since the geth work as a consensus, you would think there would be no way to hide something like that.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


On another note: why is there a mirrored F on the Scorpion?

Looked like an "R" to me. Blur said it looked like the Pi symbol, and I agree. It makes sense for the salarians.

It's and F:

Yes, yes, I know what letters are thank you very much. That symbol is not on there.

Pi.


Its the capital F, just backwards, like Megumi said.

I blame whoever made that chart. That is not an "F"... Posted Image

I still think it's a Pi reference.

Edit: Dinner!

I made that chart based on
Posted Image
and
Posted Image
and is proven to be correct when translating text from ME2 and ME3.
Red are uppercase letters
Green are lowercase letters
Blue are numbers and other symbols.

Oh, I see. Good work. In that case, I blame the ME2/3 people.

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MWMike2011 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

Anybody know of a way I can get these in ebook form? I wouldn't mind reading them, but I don't want to get the physical books, would much rather get an e-copy...

for the comics:
https://digital.darkhorse.com
for the books:
http://www.ebooks.com


Wow, awesome, thanks! I'll probably grab the books for Kindle app next payday, they have all four of them bundled for $25


Could you give me a link for the bundle, I can't seem to find it.

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@invetro

Since the geth work as a consensus, you would think there would be no way to hide something like that.


Do you mean the hidden code part? Since reapers can't adequately get into Legions platform to fully subvert it, you're probably right. Geth would most likely detect such a thing.

I can't help but wonder where all the other synthetics from previous cycles are though. Has this been explained? Were the other synthetics always completely destroyed? Say we have some geth left over at the end of our cycle, reapers have no more organics to harvest and are about to sod back off to dark space. I can't see them bringing in inferior technology such as the geth and incorporating it into reaper tech. If they have willingly destroyed all other synthetic life previously then where does that really leave us?
Or do they need synthetics every cycle to help combat their own apparent weakness to Leviathan domination?

And if reapers want synthesis in a literal ending, why not just do it? Why not just release their own wave of green monotony? This is why I think IT still has hope. Those choices aren't actually happening and I'm pretty sure the hallucination starts from the highly suspect transport crash before the beam run.

Excuse the disjointed post, but it's 4am and I should really sleep.:whistle: