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[Gwyphon]

magnetite wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

The sound that 'zaps' him/her awake? Yeah it was and it's pretty telling.

Same thing happened to Paul Grayson during Mass Effect Retribution. The Reapers woke him up using his "cybernetically enhanced senses" as the book says.

It also stated that the Reapers were behind his blackouts.

And so the plot thickens... Personally I think that one sound is the most notable thing added in the EC. It's just so odd, so noticable, so unnecessary. So... Strange. Against all the stuff added to expand upon the literal interpretation, I think it was the only point added for IT. Opinionated of course. 

[Stigweird85]

Hiya guys, how's things. Any new evidence to stoke the fires as of late. I've finally purchased Levithan DLC(haven't played it yet tho)

[Gwyphon]

bigstig wrote...

Hiya guys, how's things. Any new evidence to stoke the fires as of late. I've finally purchased Levithan DLC(haven't played it yet tho)

Think most of us are just waiting for Omega.
A second SP dlc (after Omega) has been revealed (in a way) via Mike Gamble's twitter feed.
Other than that, not much that I can think of off the top of my head. Enjoy Leviathan 

[Stigweird85]

I want to play DLC, but want to start from fresh - I just have a massive to do pile. Including Assassin's Creed 3, XCOM, Prototype 2, Fallout NV, Borderlands GOTY

First world problems I know :-)

FWIW I still hold to the theory of indoctrination. It makes sense that at the very least the Reapers try to influence Shepard in some way. It seems in the franchise the only attempts the reapers made consisted of

Join us,
No
Go on really
No
Please join us
No
Fine We'll just destroy you then.

They may have put it a little differently put that was about it, hardly the mark of the pinnacle of evolution who have the ability to indoctrinate people.

Modifié par bigstig, 12 novembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[Gwyphon]

It's a hard life. Bet uni study would be easier without youtube. Or this thread for that matter...

[Andromidius]

bigstig wrote...

Hiya guys, how's things. Any new evidence to stoke the fires as of late. I've finally purchased Levithan DLC(haven't played it yet tho)

No idea how new the idea was, but we were discussing the similarities between the ending and US Marine Corps recruit training.

Namely that the final test is called The Crucible, which consists of a steap uphill march which is called The Reaper.  And its designed to stress the recruits physically and mentally, make them draw on all their previous training, make moral decisions, and its all done while sleep deprived.

http://en.wikipedia....ng#The_Crucible

Honestly it doesn't get much bigger then that when it comes to showing how Bioware planned out the ending sequence.

[Rifneno]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@rif- how can any synthetic platform be more advanced than the reapers? The reapers have a tendency to destroy advanced beings that come close to advancing to the reapers' level. I have a feeling legion might be like what happened to Rana. Where a game later we'll regret a certain decision

I did not say more advanced than the Reapers.

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Yeahhhhhh... not wanting to start a debate on this or anything but I always thought that just because the quarians have a few bad eggs, their entire race doesn't deserve to be wiped out.
That's like saying the salarians deserve to be harvested by the reapers becasue the dalatrass was a b*tch.
Neather the geth or quarians are intirely innocent or guilty. Both sides made mistakes and both deserve a second chance. Which I think is one of the themes of ME3, everyone gets a second chance.
And besides, I always choose piece.

Peace. And why is everyone misquoting me today? I did not say the quarians deserve to be wiped out. Nor did I imply it. I don't even see how it could be inferred. I said that they're more questionable than the geth. Because they are. These are the same idiots that tried to wipe out an entire race that they created because they dared to ask if they had souls while doing slavework. These are the same idiots that wanted to find a Reaper to control after Sovereign's attack on the Citadel. These are the same idiots that used the Reapers' invasion as a cover to once again try to wipe out the geth. These are the same idiots that tried to blow up a dreadnought that they just sent the savior of the goddamn galaxy into. Even the so-called best example of the race used her time aboard the Normandy SR-1 to steal Alliance secrets. So yeah, if I couldn't have made peace you can bet I wouldn't have lost one single solitary second of sleep siding with the race that has been the victim in this conflict EVERY. DAMN. TIME. The quarians are way the **** past a second chance. They're on about their tenth chance.

And while we're at it, although I won't say the quarian race does, Admirals Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, and Han'Gerrel do indeed deserve to die. Painfully.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

And while we're at it, although I won't say the quarian race does, Admirals Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, and Han'Gerrel do indeed deserve to die. Painfully.

Admiral Zaal'Koris is a bit of a jackass in ME2, but turns out better in ME3.  Strangely, he seems to switch positions with Han'Gerrel as being the obstructive one.

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

And while we're at it, although I won't say the quarian race does, Admirals Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, and Han'Gerrel do indeed deserve to die. Painfully.

Admiral Zaal'Koris is a bit of a jackass in ME2, but turns out better in ME3.  Strangely, he seems to switch positions with Han'Gerrel as being the obstructive one.

Not if you dig a bit more in ME2 and see it's all just political bs. The only really bad one is Xen, in both 2 and 3.

[Stigweird85]

Andromidius wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Hiya guys, how's things. Any new evidence to stoke the fires as of late. I've finally purchased Levithan DLC(haven't played it yet tho)

No idea how new the idea was, but we were discussing the similarities between the ending and US Marine Corps recruit training.

Namely that the final test is called The Crucible, which consists of a steap uphill march which is called The Reaper.  And its designed to stress the recruits physically and mentally, make them draw on all their previous training, make moral decisions, and its all done while sleep deprived.

http://en.wikipedia....ng#The_Crucible

Honestly it doesn't get much bigger then that when it comes to showing how Bioware planned out the ending sequence.

Very interesting I'd probably say more inspiration/tribute than relevance on the grand scheme of things though

[Restrider]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

And while we're at it, although I won't say the quarian race does, Admirals Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, and Han'Gerrel do indeed deserve to die. Painfully.

Admiral Zaal'Koris is a bit of a jackass in ME2, but turns out better in ME3.  Strangely, he seems to switch positions with Han'Gerrel as being the obstructive one.

The same thing happened with the ME1/2 Council (referring to Sparatus, Tevos and Valern), where Sparatus stops being the obstructive one becoming the most supportive and Tevos (usually the more supportive one in ME1/2) turns out to be the more obstructive member of the Council (ignoring Udina, of course).

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

And while we're at it, although I won't say the quarian race does, Admirals Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, and Han'Gerrel do indeed deserve to die. Painfully.

Admiral Zaal'Koris is a bit of a jackass in ME2, but turns out better in ME3.  Strangely, he seems to switch positions with Han'Gerrel as being the obstructive one.

Not at all.  I knew long before ME3 that Koris would be the good one in 3 and Gerrel would be the douche.  Just listen to their reasons for their actions in ME2.  Koris is pissed because he's the only one who actually gets it about the geth and the toolbags around him keep trying to make the problem worse.  Including Tali, whether she could've known she was doing wrong or not.  Gerrel is on your side because Tali was helping escalate the conflict.  Having met Legion and seeing how the true geth really are, it was obvious long ago that things would work out the way they did with the friendly admirals switching positions.

Also, Gerrel is voiced by Simon Templeman.  That's a dead giveaway.  Seriously.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Also, Gerrel is voiced by Simon Templeman.  That's a dead giveaway.  Seriously.

Gavin Archer, Coats, similar characters in other Bioware games...

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Also, Gerrel is voiced by Simon Templeman.  That's a dead giveaway.  Seriously.

Gavin Archer, Coats, similar characters in other Bioware games...

Teyrn Loghain Mac Tir.  Enough said.

[masster blaster]

Good morning guys. So I have been thinking. Archer wasn't Indoctrinated, but his ego, and work consumed him and he went overbord. So not everyone that is Indoctrinated want's to Destroy the Reapers that's non Indoctrinated. Although if you get through Archers thick head. He agree that the project was a mistake.


So in the end he emits that it was wrong, and to nobodys suprise ( well for the people that didn't pay attention) he feels guilty.


Oh and while I have been awake I have been thinking. In ME2 Anderson tells Shepard that the front lines are up to him, or her. Now I know it really doesn't help with IT, yet it's more like Shepard is getting ready for a bigger role in all of this.

Oh and one last thing if Anderson was truly following Shepard up why didn't he call Hammer, or Coats and continue the assult? If you think Litaeraly for a moment it makes no sense. When Shepard is hearing my god their'ar all gone. We no right away his/her radio works right, so why doesn't Shepard call Coats, or radio to stop?

It's weird that Shepard doesn't try to contact anybody because when Shepard is in danger he, or she calls the Normandy to help him/she escape. Only this is the first time Shepard doesn't call for back up.


Then there is the Normandy pick up scene. I mean come on really Shepard? Your going to but the Normandy in danger all because to of your squadmates get hurt. What's also weird about this scene is that Harbinger does nothing. He just looks at Shepard. You can tell he is because when Shepard looks back at Harbinger. Harbinger is not looking around saying " Which way did he go george?" No he is looking right at Shepard, heck he even looks at the Normandy as the Normandy goes back to space. So that just disproves the IFF because if Harbinger is following the Normandy, then it knows that it was there the whole time.

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Then there is the Normandy pick up scene. I mean come on really Shepard? Your going to but the Normandy in danger all because to of your squadmates get hurt. What's also weird about this scene is that Harbinger does nothing. He just looks at Shepard. You can tell he is because when Shepard looks back at Harbinger. Harbinger is not looking around saying " Which way did he go george?" No he is looking right at Shepard, heck he even looks at the Normandy as the Normandy goes back to space. So that just disproves the IFF because if Harbinger is following the Normandy, then it knows that it was there the whole time.

You hear multiple shots which are not displayed. I call bugs.

[masster blaster]

Truue Meg, but Harbinger is looking at the Normandy, and Shepard while he is shooting at the Alliance team rushing down towards the Conduit. But really when Harbinger looks at the Normandy he is just watching it go off into space.

Oh and I believe Reapers have eyes for a reason. How else do you think they know what Shepard looks like? I mean they use movement to see were the target moves to, or they can use heat seekers that regester who that person is? No when Harbinger talks to Shepard in Arrival Harbinger is looking at Shepard/ speaking to Shepard. So I call bs that Harbinger doesn't see the Normandy.

[Xilizhra]

Oh and I believe Reapers have eyes for a reason. How else do you think they know what Shepard looks like? I mean they use movement to see were the target moves to, or they can use heat seekers that regester who that person is? No when Harbinger talks to Shepard in Arrival Harbinger is looking at Shepard/ speaking to Shepard. So I call bs that Harbinger doesn't see the Normandy.

Harbinger was seeing through the eyes of numerous Collectors. What look like "eyes" on the surface of a Reaper are probably not, and while they do have heat sensors, the Normandy can, well, trap heat emissions. That combined with the IFF to fool the Reapers' other scanners would be enough.

[masster blaster]

BS Xil. I see your point about the Collectors, but how does Harbinger really know what Shepard is if he is just blasting around and killing everything in it's path. I mean come on Harbinger could have shot Shepard the moment Shepard started to run, but no When Harbinger get's his chance to shoot Shepard he fails. What's also funny is that the beam doesn't kill Shepard, don't say Shepard's armor is better because if that's the case then why do we die from a single touch of a Reaper Destroy beam? Heck Reaper Capital ships can cut through ships like paper.


What I aslo find bs is that the friend or fow iff is bs. If we are invisable to the Reapers, and we are seens as their allys, then why do they try to f****** kill us if we are just scanning the planets? Oh and and um didn't you see the oracles attack the Normandy. I mean come on the orbs can see the Normandy, but Reapers can't bs.

Modifié par masster blaster, 12 novembre 2012 - 02:08 .

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh and I believe Reapers have eyes for a reason. How else do you think they know what Shepard looks like? I mean they use movement to see were the target moves to, or they can use heat seekers that regester who that person is? No when Harbinger talks to Shepard in Arrival Harbinger is looking at Shepard/ speaking to Shepard. So I call bs that Harbinger doesn't see the Normandy.

Harbinger was seeing through the eyes of numerous Collectors. What look like "eyes" on the surface of a Reaper are probably not, and while they do have heat sensors, the Normandy can, well, trap heat emissions. That combined with the IFF to fool the Reapers' other scanners would be enough.

So the Collectors can see through the Normandy's stealth systems, but not Harbinger himself? Seems legit.

[Eryri]

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh and I believe Reapers have eyes for a reason. How else do you think they know what Shepard looks like? I mean they use movement to see were the target moves to, or they can use heat seekers that regester who that person is? No when Harbinger talks to Shepard in Arrival Harbinger is looking at Shepard/ speaking to Shepard. So I call bs that Harbinger doesn't see the Normandy.

Harbinger was seeing through the eyes of numerous Collectors. What look like "eyes" on the surface of a Reaper are probably not, and while they do have heat sensors, the Normandy can, well, trap heat emissions. That combined with the IFF to fool the Reapers' other scanners would be enough.

The eye's on the surface of the reaper are in the same place as the eyes on the Leviathans on which they were based. This at least suggests that they perform the same function. Asserting that they are "probably not" eyes, seems to me to be based on pure speculation, as the game doesn't provide any hard info on reaper anatomy.

I also find it hard to believe that entities as advanced as reapers would have a blind spot in a rather important part of the electromagnetic spectrum. 

Harbinger can see well enough to target individual soldiers. Their temperature would be very close to background. The Normandy's heat sinks capture the heat from its engines. I doubt they would instantly cool the whole skin of the ship after entry through the atmosphere. Particularly in a combat situation when the ship is constantly manouvering and firing weapons, not running silently in stealth mode.

Finally the IFF does not stop the Reapers chasing the Normandy around a system on the galaxy map once they've given their position away.

Modifié par Eryri, 12 novembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh and I believe Reapers have eyes for a reason. How else do you think they know what Shepard looks like? I mean they use movement to see were the target moves to, or they can use heat seekers that regester who that person is? No when Harbinger talks to Shepard in Arrival Harbinger is looking at Shepard/ speaking to Shepard. So I call bs that Harbinger doesn't see the Normandy.

Harbinger was seeing through the eyes of numerous Collectors. What look like "eyes" on the surface of a Reaper are probably not, and while they do have heat sensors, the Normandy can, well, trap heat emissions. That combined with the IFF to fool the Reapers' other scanners would be enough.

You know except for the fact that when you scan a system the Reapers pinpoint your location and then chase you down with perfect accuracy even if you stop scanning? And how the Collector Vessel detected the Normandy SR-1 even when it was trapping its heat emisions when it was close enough.

Also considering both the Heat emision trapping equibment and the Reaper IFF has been incoperated by some Salarian ships it would make them just as invisible. Sure we never have confirmation for any of this, but I think they would notice if the Reapers were ignoring them and spread the word.

But still a few scans brings the Reapers coming down on you in ME3 after which they chase you down across a star system with perfect accuracy. Case on Reaper detection of the Normandy closed.

Also if Harbinger cant see the Normandy how does he see the Troopers running towards the beam? Heatvision? You do know even if the Normandy traps the heat it is not exactly in the near completely cold backdrop of space anymore and will stand out as a completely cold spot against the atmosphere and ground of Earth.

[Jusseb]

There is at least some reason why The Reapers don't shoot the Normandy.

Just as in the beginning of the game when Joker comes to save your ass from earth, he lands between a dozen Reaper forces without even getting hit. But all other Alliance ships are getting picked out of the sky.

And then the same thing happens at the end of the game. There is something about the Normandy that prevents them from shooting at it. OR they just don't want to shoot it because they need Shepard an his/her crew.

[ElSuperGecko]

Headcanon's a wonderful thing.  As is sticking your head in the sand.