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[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What A Boshtet wrote...

I was talking on twitter about the indoc theory and the dark energy ending and it got me thinking.
In my personal opinion [because i love the sound of the dark energy ending and wish they had used that one instead], if they are making this DLC, they should do both the indoc and the dark energy ending.. whereas Shepard wakes up from indoc and gets the real ending, which is the dark energy. Very rough idea.

Dark Energy makes even less sense then what we got now.

As someone who got used to science not always making sense in scifi, pseudo scientific reasoning a la Hollywood is what I still would prefer over a non-sensical story conclusion that is an insult to the viewer/player if viewed 'literally' (and yes this is Mass Effect, yadayada, it still has crisp sound in space, whereas for example BSG made an effort of sticking to dampaned sound in all scenes, first-person and third-person moments).
This is, however, my point of view.

EDIT: Or to be more explicit: The red matter in the new Star Trek didn't bother me at all.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 novembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What A Boshtet wrote...

I was talking on twitter about the indoc theory and the dark energy ending and it got me thinking.
In my personal opinion [because i love the sound of the dark energy ending and wish they had used that one instead], if they are making this DLC, they should do both the indoc and the dark energy ending.. whereas Shepard wakes up from indoc and gets the real ending, which is the dark energy. Very rough idea.

Dark Energy makes even less sense then what we got now.

As someone who got used to science not always making sense in scifi, pseudo scientific reasoning a la Hollywood is what I still would prefer over a non-sensical story conclusion that is an insult to the viewer/player if viewed 'literally' (and yes this is Mass Effect, yadayada, it still has crisp sound in space, whereas for example BSG made an effort of sticking to dampaned sound in all scenes, first-person and third-person moments).
This is, however, my point of view.

EDIT: Or to be more explicit: The red matter in the new Star Trek didn't bother me at all.

The difference is that these are science things that are wrong, but saying "hey we actually just wanted to save any life because see there is that dark energy problem" after stating at least twice "you live because we allow it" is just worse. In the current ending it at least makes some sense. They are a thread to synthetics and organics? Purge them, see the Quarians.
Also even if hinted at it's completely different to any established context. I would rather guess a dark energy ending would be an indoctrination ending then what we got now.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 13 novembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[Home run MF]

My only problem with the dark energy ending is that it got foreshadowed in two completely optional sidequests and people speak of it like it's the save us all ending, it would have been more of an as* pull than the organic vs synthetic conflict.

Modifié par Home run MF, 13 novembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So, the Reapers are out to save organics from synthetics, huh?

Help me refresh my memory.

Wasn't it the Reapers who turned the Geth (heretics) against organics in ME1?

Wasn't it the Reapers who helped the Geth 'upgrade' when the Quarians started a war against them?

Weren't there other examples of the Reapers actually causing synthetics to attack organics?

I can't remember off the top of my head.

Dident the Reapers take over that AI race during the Prothean cycle?

Oh and remember that according to the Catalyst he is out to preserve both Organic and Synthetic races which makes his involvement in the Quarian conflict into a lose / lose situation for him unless Shepard creates peace.

So the Catalyst staged every event in the trilogy in order to test Shepard and bring them to a certain point?
Sounds like someone else I know.
http://t2.gstatic.co...MVP7w7yM_byUpRA

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 13 novembre 2012 - 08:43 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So, the Reapers are out to save organics from synthetics, huh?

Help me refresh my memory.

Wasn't it the Reapers who turned the Geth (heretics) against organics in ME1?

Wasn't it the Reapers who helped the Geth 'upgrade' when the Quarians started a war against them?

Weren't there other examples of the Reapers actually causing synthetics to attack organics?

I can't remember off the top of my head.

Dident the Reapers take over that AI race during the Prothean cycle?

Oh and remember that according to the Catalyst he is out to preserve both Organic and Synthetic races which makes his involvement in the Quarian conflict into a lose / lose situation for him unless Shepard creates peace.

So the Catalyst staged every event in the trilogy in order to test Shepard and bring them to a certain point?
Sounds like someone else I know.
http://t2.gstatic.co...MVP7w7yM_byUpRA

Not extactly what i meant as the Catalyst seems pretty intent on the geth wiping out the Quarians and i doubt he could have foreseen...oh wiat if we are comparing him to Aizen then the catalyst could predict Shepard exact path through a crowd at the bar

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The difference is that these are science things that are wrong, but saying "hey we actually just wanted to save any life because see there is that dark energy problem" after stating at least twice "you live because we allow it" is just worse. In the current ending it at least makes some sense. They are a thread to synthetics and organics? Purge them, see the Quarians.
Also even if hinted at it's completely different to any established context. I would rather guess a dark energy ending would be an indoctrination ending then what we got now.

Oh, that's what you meant. Well, then I agree of course.
Yes...I tend to forget lines from the games. Of course these mustache-twisting lines from the Reapers become hard to interpret once the Reapers' reaping is given a purpose other than reproduction...
Oh yeah, that reminds me, Casey did say in that often-ly linked pre-release interview that "we are just part of the Reapers' reproduction cycle". But then, this too isn't something I remember hearing being suggested in-game. So...have I not been paying enough attention during my playthrough or is this in fact just an interpretation for the reaping?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 novembre 2012 - 08:49 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The difference is that these are science things that are wrong, but saying "hey we actually just wanted to save any life because see there is that dark energy problem" after stating at least twice "you live because we allow it" is just worse. In the current ending it at least makes some sense. They are a thread to synthetics and organics? Purge them, see the Quarians.
Also even if hinted at it's completely different to any established context. I would rather guess a dark energy ending would be an indoctrination ending then what we got now.

Oh, that's what you meant. Well, then I agree of course.
Yes...I tend to forget lines from the games. Of course these mustache-twisting lines from the Reapers become hard to interpret once the Reapers' reaping is given a purpose other than reproduction...
Oh yeah, that reminds me, Casey did say in that often-ly linked pre-release interview that "we are just part of the Reapers' reproduction cycle". But then, this too isn't something I remember hearing being suggested in-game. So...have I not been paying enough attention during my playthrough or is this just an interpretation for the reaping?

I think EDI mentions something about how the Reapers cares for nothing but self preservation and I do beleive the Reproduction bit is mentioned at some point though i cant remember where.

But yeah the moment the purpose of the Reaping became anything but reproduction massive holes appereared in their story as the explanantion given did not match what the Reapers had been doing at all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So, the Reapers are out to save organics from synthetics, huh?

Help me refresh my memory.

Wasn't it the Reapers who turned the Geth (heretics) against organics in ME1?

Wasn't it the Reapers who helped the Geth 'upgrade' when the Quarians started a war against them?

Weren't there other examples of the Reapers actually causing synthetics to attack organics?

I can't remember off the top of my head.

Dident the Reapers take over that AI race during the Prothean cycle?

Oh and remember that according to the Catalyst he is out to preserve both Organic and Synthetic races which makes his involvement in the Quarian conflict into a lose / lose situation for him unless Shepard creates peace.

So the Catalyst staged every event in the trilogy in order to test Shepard and bring them to a certain point?
Sounds like someone else I know.
http://t2.gstatic.co...MVP7w7yM_byUpRA

Not extactly what i meant as the Catalyst seems pretty intent on the geth wiping out the Quarians and i doubt he could have foreseen...oh wiat if we are comparing him to Aizen then the catalyst could predict Shepard exact path through a crowd at the bar

Exactly.
I should start a "Catalyst is Aizen" Theory. I already have a counterarument for those who try to counter it.
http://t0.gstatic.co...hTmppzmcfpXHfka

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 13 novembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The difference is that these are science things that are wrong, but saying "hey we actually just wanted to save any life because see there is that dark energy problem" after stating at least twice "you live because we allow it" is just worse. In the current ending it at least makes some sense. They are a thread to synthetics and organics? Purge them, see the Quarians.
Also even if hinted at it's completely different to any established context. I would rather guess a dark energy ending would be an indoctrination ending then what we got now.

Oh, that's what you meant. Well, then I agree of course.
Yes...I tend to forget lines from the games. Of course these mustache-twisting lines from the Reapers become hard to interpret once the Reapers' reaping is given a purpose other than reproduction...
Oh yeah, that reminds me, Casey did say in that often-ly linked pre-release interview that "we are just part of the Reapers' reproduction cycle". But then, this too isn't something I remember hearing being suggested in-game. So...have I not been paying enough attention during my playthrough or is this in fact just an interpretation for the reaping?

It's assumed by Shepard and EDI at the end of ME2.
And yeah it's stated because of that once or twice in ME3.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 13 novembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[Linkforlife]

I am not sure if this had been brought up and I am sorry if it was, but something just occurred to me while watching the confrontation scene between Shepard, TIM and Anderson: Earth looks perfectly fine, like before the Reaper invasion. Again, I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if someone has proven this wrong at some point, and if so, I apologize because like I said, I just happened to notice it and thought it was interesting to note.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So, the Reapers are out to save organics from synthetics, huh?

Help me refresh my memory.

Wasn't it the Reapers who turned the Geth (heretics) against organics in ME1?

Wasn't it the Reapers who helped the Geth 'upgrade' when the Quarians started a war against them?

Weren't there other examples of the Reapers actually causing synthetics to attack organics?

I can't remember off the top of my head.

Dident the Reapers take over that AI race during the Prothean cycle?

Oh and remember that according to the Catalyst he is out to preserve both Organic and Synthetic races which makes his involvement in the Quarian conflict into a lose / lose situation for him unless Shepard creates peace.

So the Catalyst staged every event in the trilogy in order to test Shepard and bring them to a certain point?
Sounds like someone else I know.
http://t2.gstatic.co...MVP7w7yM_byUpRA

Not extactly what i meant as the Catalyst seems pretty intent on the geth wiping out the Quarians and i doubt he could have foreseen...oh wiat if we are comparing him to Aizen then the catalyst could predict Shepard exact path through a crowd at the bar

Exactly.
I should start a "Catalyst is Aizen" Theory. I already have a counterarument for those who try to counter it.
http://t0.gstatic.co...hTmppzmcfpXHfka

Remember to add a picture of Urahara with the tag: "All part of my contingency plan" as well

[Linkforlife]

I am not sure if this was brought up before or was disproven in some way, but I just happened to notice while watching smudboy's Bookends of Destruction video: in the room where the confrontation between Shepard, TIM and Anderson takes place, I noticed that Earth looks perfectly fine, like no war had ever taken place there. I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if it has even been mentioned before, but again, I found it interesting and, once again, I apologize for bringing it up if it had been proven to have no relevance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
So, the Reapers are out to save organics from synthetics, huh?
Help me refresh my memory.
Wasn't it the Reapers who turned the Geth (heretics) against organics in ME1?
Wasn't it the Reapers who helped the Geth 'upgrade' when the Quarians started a war against them?
Weren't there other examples of the Reapers actually causing synthetics to attack organics?
I can't remember off the top of my head.

Dident the Reapers take over that AI race during the Prothean cycle?
Oh and remember that according to the Catalyst he is out to preserve both Organic and Synthetic races which makes his involvement in the Quarian conflict into a lose / lose situation for him unless Shepard creates peace.

So the Catalyst staged every event in the trilogy in order to test Shepard and bring them to a certain point?
Sounds like someone else I know.
http://t2.gstatic.co...MVP7w7yM_byUpRA

Not extactly what i meant as the Catalyst seems pretty intent on the geth wiping out the Quarians and i doubt he could have foreseen...oh wiat if we are comparing him to Aizen then the catalyst could predict Shepard exact path through a crowd at the bar

Exactly.
I should start a "Catalyst is Aizen" Theory. I already have a counterarument for those who try to counter it.
http://t0.gstatic.co...hTmppzmcfpXHfka

Remember to add a picture of Urahara with the tag: "All part of my contingency plan" as well

Like this?
http://ts2.mm.bing.n...749949&pid=15.1

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Darth Revan:

Perfect

Now let us hope that if the Catalyst is Aizen that Mass Effect version of Urahara soon shows up

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 13 novembre 2012 - 09:26 .

[Gwyphon]

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this had been brought up and I am sorry if it was, but something just occurred to me while watching the confrontation scene between Shepard, TIM and Anderson: Earth looks perfectly fine, like before the Reaper invasion. Again, I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if someone has proven this wrong at some point, and if so, I apologize because like I said, I just happened to notice it and thought it was interesting to note.

... I never noticed this. This coupled with the "I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect." line from the Illusive man... 

[spotlessvoid]

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this was brought up before or was disproven in some way, but I just happened to notice while watching smudboy's Bookends of Destruction video: in the room where the confrontation between Shepard, TIM and Anderson takes place, I noticed that Earth looks perfectly fine, like no war had ever taken place there. I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if it has even been mentioned before, but again, I found it interesting and, once again, I apologize for bringing it up if it had been proven to have no relevance.

Give me a few while I check

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Darth Revan:

Perfect

Now let us hope that if the Catalyst is Aizen that Mass Effect version of Urahara soon shows up

Thanks, and I hope his ME equivelent does too. If that's how they'll handle IT, Bioware can have as much of my money as necessary.

To bad DoomsdayDevice isn't on, all I need now are quotes and I will have everything I need to actually make that thread.

[Gwyphon]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this was brought up before or was disproven in some way, but I just happened to notice while watching smudboy's Bookends of Destruction video: in the room where the confrontation between Shepard, TIM and Anderson takes place, I noticed that Earth looks perfectly fine, like no war had ever taken place there. I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if it has even been mentioned before, but again, I found it interesting and, once again, I apologize for bringing it up if it had been proven to have no relevance.

Give me a few while I check

Looks perfectly fine in the TIM/Anderson scene, but the next scene with the crucible docking is pretty much on fire.

[MaximizedAction]

Nope, these are not the dalmatians you're looking for.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 novembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[Restrider]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Darth Revan:

Perfect

Now let us hope that if the Catalyst is Aizen that Mass Effect version of Urahara soon shows up

Thanks, and I hope his ME equivelent does too. If that's how they'll handle IT, Bioware can have as much of my money as necessary.

To bad DoomsdayDevice isn't on, all I need now are quotes and I will have everything I need to actually make that thread.

Here DD's quote compendium. Knock yourself off!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Restrider wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Darth Revan:

Perfect

Now let us hope that if the Catalyst is Aizen that Mass Effect version of Urahara soon shows up

Thanks, and I hope his ME equivelent does too. If that's how they'll handle IT, Bioware can have as much of my money as necessary.

To bad DoomsdayDevice isn't on, all I need now are quotes and I will have everything I need to actually make that thread.

Here DD's quote compendium. Knock yourself off!

Thank you Restrider.
Now i just need to find quotes that have an Aizen-y vibe to them. I'll keep my ears open when I do another ME3 playthrough when Omega comes out too.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 13 novembre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Restrider]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this had been brought up and I am sorry if it was, but something just occurred to me while watching the confrontation scene between Shepard, TIM and Anderson: Earth looks perfectly fine, like before the Reaper invasion. Again, I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if someone has proven this wrong at some point, and if so, I apologize because like I said, I just happened to notice it and thought it was interesting to note.

... I never noticed this. This coupled with the "I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect." line from the Illusive man... 

Couldn't that be explained by a sufficient time that passed between the intro and the final battle? It was a few months after all, and all large fires maybe went out over that time.

Looks still pretty messed up, even months later.

[Linkforlife]

Restrider wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this had been brought up and I am sorry if it was, but something just occurred to me while watching the confrontation scene between Shepard, TIM and Anderson: Earth looks perfectly fine, like before the Reaper invasion. Again, I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if someone has proven this wrong at some point, and if so, I apologize because like I said, I just happened to notice it and thought it was interesting to note.

... I never noticed this. This coupled with the "I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect." line from the Illusive man... 

Couldn't that be explained by a sufficient time that passed between the intro and the final battle? It was a few months after all, and all large fires maybe went out over that time.

Looks still pretty messed up, even months later.

Look at Earth during the confrontation with TIM on the Citadel.

[dorktainian]

earth is intact....wtf?