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[Gwyphon]

During the TIM confrontation it's bright blue. Next scene it's dark and on fire...
Could be that you're only seeing a tiny bit of it but it's just in such contrast to the following scene that it seems odd. Could have been done for emotional effect during the Anderson scene, though taking in consideration what TIM says after you paragon his ass makes me think it's more significant.

[spotlessvoid]

Seems like earth is fine in the TIM scene, but back to being ablaze during the catalyst scene

Edit: Ninja'd during by gwyphon

Yeah I agree Swoby, that would be too out there.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 13 novembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[spotlessvoid]

Yeah but they got it right in the catalyst and crucible scenes.....

[Restrider]

Linkforlife wrote...

Restrider wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this had been brought up and I am sorry if it was, but something just occurred to me while watching the confrontation scene between Shepard, TIM and Anderson: Earth looks perfectly fine, like before the Reaper invasion. Again, I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if someone has proven this wrong at some point, and if so, I apologize because like I said, I just happened to notice it and thought it was interesting to note.

... I never noticed this. This coupled with the "I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect." line from the Illusive man... 

Couldn't that be explained by a sufficient time that passed between the intro and the final battle? It was a few months after all, and all large fires maybe went out over that time.

Looks still pretty messed up, even months later.

Look at Earth during the confrontation with TIM on the Citadel.

I just was referring to MaximizedActions comment on the fires going out due to time
I know what you mean... it's... perfect.

[Linkforlife]

Restrider wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Restrider wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this had been brought up and I am sorry if it was, but something just occurred to me while watching the confrontation scene between Shepard, TIM and Anderson: Earth looks perfectly fine, like before the Reaper invasion. Again, I am not sure if this fits into the theory or if someone has proven this wrong at some point, and if so, I apologize because like I said, I just happened to notice it and thought it was interesting to note.

... I never noticed this. This coupled with the "I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect." line from the Illusive man... 

Couldn't that be explained by a sufficient time that passed between the intro and the final battle? It was a few months after all, and all large fires maybe went out over that time.

Looks still pretty messed up, even months later.

Look at Earth during the confrontation with TIM on the Citadel.

I just was referring to MaximizedActions comment on the fires going out due to time
I know what you mean... it's... perfect.

I understand that the fires would eventually go out, but we previously had a scene where we saw Earth still burning, not to mention the fact that there is active battle on the planet's surface and space.

[MaximizedAction]

Restrider wrote...
I just was referring to MaximizedActions comment on the fires going out due to time
I know what you mean... it's... perfect.

Where I now know I was wrong.
And btw, I love reading your posts in TIM's voice...especially when you write stuff in a TIM-ly manner...like the above.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 novembre 2012 - 10:33 .

[BleedingUranium]

@Linkforlife

That Earth being normal thing is very odd, and interesting. Good catch

[Rifneno]

The dark energy plot is stupid. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. Hundreds of billions. Slowing the expansion coming from one measly galaxy will make no difference whatsoever. And no, the Reapers are not expanded all across the universe. That's introducing even more stupid to patch up the original stupid. Piling stupid on top of stupid never works. And even if that whole plot didn't make even less sense than the one we've got now, you've still got to explain away the fact that organics are only causing dark energy expansion because of the dark energy technology that the goddamn Reapers themselves left behind for them! The Reapers are clearly making the problem worse, not better.

No, the dark energy plot should stay buried. It sucked.

[masster blaster]

I never notice Earth is fine when you shot TIM! 8 months and I never notice that.

2 things.

Bad writing

Or IT. Shepard is seeing Earth right out the window like in the beginning of ME1. Earth looks like the Earth we see in the opening ME1 scree, and when we shot TIM.

[paxxton]

magnetite wrote...

Control explanation video is up

Nice video summary. And I agree that if Shepard is being indoctrinated the best option is Destroy (or Refuse?). I also don't support TIM's methods but the concept of understanding what makes the Reapers click is a worthwhile one.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Pax... listen to yourself

It's like watching a family member get indoctrinated.

I'm trying to show you that destroying the Reapers gains us nothing.

What did I just say?

Destroying the Reapers gain us just as much Reaper to study, it is just in more pieces. Unless you plan to ask for their tech in which case they are giving us the tech.

Personally considering the frigging indoctrination effect i wouldnt even study dead Reapers, you know like it was clearly shown in ME2 was bad idea and Liara echos it in ME3 when she says noone is to approach the Rannoch Destroyer´s corpse.

I would tow the Reaper pieces into the nearest star and then we can start working along our own paths.

The Derelict Reaper underwent an uncontrolled shutdown which left some systems still operational. In Control you can order a Reaper to completely turn itself off so that people can board and explore safely.

Examining tech in pieces (damaged after explosions) gives limited insight into its structure and virtually no insight into its operation.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 novembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[jojon2se]

I doubt the rest of the universe being fine would help us here, other than on a timescale of eons, if our local entropy is peaking.
...and, of course, the reapers' efforts would be misguided - they'd only be be stalling - hence the hibernating after being shoehorned into a more energy-efficient form.

Modifié par jojon2se, 13 novembre 2012 - 11:00 .

[Restrider]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Restrider wrote...
I just was referring to MaximizedActions comment on the fires going out due to time
I know what you mean... it's... perfect.

Where I now know I was wrong.
And btw, I love reading your posts in TIM's voice...especially when you write stuff in a TIM-ly manner...like the above.

Good to hear that. Martin Sheen is certainly a good VA and I know what you mean. For instance, usually when reading Home Run MF's posts, I read it in Tevos' voice, who also has a nice sounding voice.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

The dark energy plot is stupid. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. Hundreds of billions. Slowing the expansion coming from one measly galaxy will make no difference whatsoever. And no, the Reapers are not expanded all across the universe. That's introducing even more stupid to patch up the original stupid. Piling stupid on top of stupid never works. And even if that whole plot didn't make even less sense than the one we've got now, you've still got to explain away the fact that organics are only causing dark energy expansion because of the dark energy technology that the goddamn Reapers themselves left behind for them! The Reapers are clearly making the problem worse, not better.

No, the dark energy plot should stay buried. It sucked.

A modified Dark Energy sub-plot might work though.  Something along the lines of discovering that millions of years of heavy Eezo usage is having a terrible hidden effect on the Galaxy, and eventually it may cause a premature death for most of the stars in the Galaxy (and could even be mentioned the reason the center of the Galaxy is filled with supernovas and black holes is related to this, and eventually the whole Galaxy may be reduced to a larger scale of this).

Just nothing immediate.  Just a little side plot about what may eventually happen.  Sort of like in Star Trek when they find out heavy Warp Drive usage is causing subspace to break down.

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...

The dark energy plot is stupid. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. Hundreds of billions. Slowing the expansion coming from one measly galaxy will make no difference whatsoever. And no, the Reapers are not expanded all across the universe. That's introducing even more stupid to patch up the original stupid. Piling stupid on top of stupid never works. And even if that whole plot didn't make even less sense than the one we've got now, you've still got to explain away the fact that organics are only causing dark energy expansion because of the dark energy technology that the goddamn Reapers themselves left behind for them! The Reapers are clearly making the problem worse, not better.

No, the dark energy plot should stay buried. It sucked.

I don't know who it was, maybe Davik Kang...?
Regardless, someone stated that the DE plot should've had the same role as the organics vs. synthetics plot. It should've been a reason for the Reapers/Starbinger to convince Shepard that jumping into a Synthesis beam is a good idea.
Afaik, the plot was something like that your choices are either Destroy and try to figure out to save the universe yourself or turn humanity into a Reaper to end the DE thread. Sounds indoctrinated for me.
Nevertheless, both, the DE and organic vs synthetic plot had their little bits of foreshadowing where I have to say that the latter makes more sense, in my opinion

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The dark energy plot is stupid. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. Hundreds of billions. Slowing the expansion coming from one measly galaxy will make no difference whatsoever. And no, the Reapers are not expanded all across the universe. That's introducing even more stupid to patch up the original stupid. Piling stupid on top of stupid never works. And even if that whole plot didn't make even less sense than the one we've got now, you've still got to explain away the fact that organics are only causing dark energy expansion because of the dark energy technology that the goddamn Reapers themselves left behind for them! The Reapers are clearly making the problem worse, not better.

No, the dark energy plot should stay buried. It sucked.

A modified Dark Energy sub-plot might work though.  Something along the lines of discovering that millions of years of heavy Eezo usage is having a terrible hidden effect on the Galaxy, and eventually it may cause a premature death for most of the stars in the Galaxy (and could even be mentioned the reason the center of the Galaxy is filled with supernovas and black holes is related to this, and eventually the whole Galaxy may be reduced to a larger scale of this).

Just nothing immediate.  Just a little side plot about what may eventually happen.  Sort of like in Star Trek when they find out heavy Warp Drive usage is causing subspace to break down.

That sounds fine.  Unless you want to keep it to the science like they always have instead of just making **** up.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Pax... listen to yourself

It's like watching a family member get indoctrinated.

I'm trying to show you that destroying the Reapers gains us nothing.

What did I just say?

Destroying the Reapers gain us just as much Reaper to study, it is just in more pieces. Unless you plan to ask for their tech in which case they are giving us the tech.

Personally considering the frigging indoctrination effect i wouldnt even study dead Reapers, you know like it was clearly shown in ME2 was bad idea and Liara echos it in ME3 when she says noone is to approach the Rannoch Destroyer´s corpse.

I would tow the Reaper pieces into the nearest star and then we can start working along our own paths.

The Derelict Reaper underwent an uncontrolled shutdown which left some systems still operational. In Control you can order a Reaper to completely turn itself off so that people can board and explore safely.

Examining tech in pieces (damaged after explosions) gives limited insight into its structure and virtually no insight into its operation.

Huh, I just had a thought.  In Control, do you think Shepard is able to disable the indoctrination signal that the Reapers emit?  Because indoctrination seems to be a passive rather than active process.  Even a completely disabled Reaper emits an indoctrination signal.  PIECES of Reaper emit an indoctrination signal.

Edit: If the Reapers keep emitting that signal even while under Shepard's control....  Well, so much for the galaxy.  And you have the same problem in Synthesis....

Modifié par Dwailing, 13 novembre 2012 - 11:11 .

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...
That sounds fine.  Unless you want to keep it to the science like they always have instead of just making **** up.

Just a rough concept.  I mean something is breaking down Haelstrom's star, after all.

Ultimately its a very minor thing to be worrying about.  Relatively speaking.  The Reapers sure as hell wouldn't be interested in such a thing.

[Restrider]

jojon2se wrote...

I doubt the rest of the universe being fine would help us here, other than on a timescale of eons, if our local entropy is peaking.
...and, of course, the reapers' efforts would be misguided - they'd only be be stalling - hence the hibernating after being shoehorned into a more energy-efficient form.

That could've been an approach, stating something about a local disturbance in the farbic of reality. But I still think it would be a little bit cheesy. When I first played ME2 and heard about the DE stuff, I thought this might be an unconvetional way to beat the Reapers and not that it's actually the reason for their existence and interference.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Pax... listen to yourself

It's like watching a family member get indoctrinated.

I'm trying to show you that destroying the Reapers gains us nothing.

What did I just say?

Destroying the Reapers gain us just as much Reaper to study, it is just in more pieces. Unless you plan to ask for their tech in which case they are giving us the tech.

Personally considering the frigging indoctrination effect i wouldnt even study dead Reapers, you know like it was clearly shown in ME2 was bad idea and Liara echos it in ME3 when she says noone is to approach the Rannoch Destroyer´s corpse.

I would tow the Reaper pieces into the nearest star and then we can start working along our own paths.

The Derelict Reaper underwent an uncontrolled shutdown which left some systems still operational. In Control you can order a Reaper to completely turn itself off so that people can board and explore safely.

Examining tech in pieces (damaged after explosions) gives limited insight into its structure and virtually no insight into its operation.

Huh, I just had a thought.  In Control, do you think Shepard is able to disable the indoctrination signal that the Reapers emit?  Because indoctrination seems to be a passive rather than active process.  Even a completely disabled Reaper emits an indoctrination signal.  PIECES of Reaper emit an indoctrination signal.

They do because there's energy still flowing in them. In the case of the Derelict Reaper it was the core that was the source. Object Rho had visible electricity bolts coming out of it. If a Reaper can't turn off its indoctrination signal that would mean the Reaper Indoctrination is in fact beyond them, they do not control it, they merely harness a natural property of the Universe. Maybe their forms work as antennas, receiving Dark Energy from the Universe and sending it off in the form of Indoctrination.

[spotlessvoid]

A tiny fragment of Sovereign can indoctrinate

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

A tiny fragment of Sovereign can indoctrinate

An interesting thing is that if the Doc has measures to prevent himself from being indoctrinated, why don't we get to know them and why the Alliance don't use those upgrades.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 novembre 2012 - 11:41 .