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[TSA_383]

SwobyJ wrote...

Watching Smudboy now.

No more after this one. He seems like he's what happens when analytical thinking is developed in really bad ways.

Half of the thing is 'That doesn't make sense!' in several different ways.

It's people like him that are the majority of the reason that I had to back away from the whole indoctrination theory thing for my own sanity 

So, how's everybody been? Still patiently waiting for Omega?

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

Ok so he's at the Catalyst stuff.

It really all makes sense if Catalyst is Harbinger. Maybe I'm wrong, sure, there's no absolute proof. Yet....

again, it all makes sense if the Catalyst is Harbinger, an effed up offspring of Leviathan hubris.

Of course the Catalyst is illogical. Extended Cut even HIGHLIGHTS this in very blatant ways.

...but...  but Bioware is bad at writing!

And Indoctrination Theory is stupid!  And so are the people who believe it!

/smudboy

[Andromidius]

Smudboy is the anti-Clevernoob. Both go too far. Both started with good points, but quickly devolved into opinion and inaccuracy and nitpicking.

We need more balance.

[TSA_383]

Andromidius wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Ok so he's at the Catalyst stuff.

It really all makes sense if Catalyst is Harbinger. Maybe I'm wrong, sure, there's no absolute proof. Yet....

again, it all makes sense if the Catalyst is Harbinger, an effed up offspring of Leviathan hubris.

Of course the Catalyst is illogical. Extended Cut even HIGHLIGHTS this in very blatant ways.

...but...  but Bioware is bad at writing!

And Indoctrination Theory is stupid!  And so are the people who believe it!

/smudboy

Good to see we've moved on a long way in the past several months 

[estebanus]

Andromidius wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Ok so he's at the Catalyst stuff.

It really all makes sense if Catalyst is Harbinger. Maybe I'm wrong, sure, there's no absolute proof. Yet....

again, it all makes sense if the Catalyst is Harbinger, an effed up offspring of Leviathan hubris.

Of course the Catalyst is illogical. Extended Cut even HIGHLIGHTS this in very blatant ways.

...but...  but Bioware is bad at writing!

And Indoctrination Theory is stupid!  And so are the people who believe it!

/smudboy

Interesting... So I was stupid when I still believed in the theory, but when I stopped believing, I became smart in the blink of an eye? 
Smudboy is a douche, in every sense of the word.

[Andromidius]

estebanus wrote...
Smudboy is a douche, in every sense of the word.

Indeed.  I even defended his voice when people were saying how whiny his voice was, but now on retrospect I agree with them.  Its like nails down a chalkboard.

Modifié par Andromidius, 14 novembre 2012 - 01:47 .

[masster blaster]

Hey guys did you know that for Star Wars empire at War FOC they are doing a halo mod, and ME mod. Man it looks awsome.

Oh and since we are talking about this guys video, then I would like to say ya I haven't seen it, and from everyones respones to his video it's not good I take it. And does he believe in IT?

[Davik Kang]

Andromidius wrote...

Smudboy is the anti-Clevernoob. Both go too far. Both started with good points, but quickly devolved into opinion and inaccuracy and nitpicking.

We need more balance.

Spot on.

Unfortunately, when some people have made up their mind about something, all they want to hear is that someone else agrees with them.  Many will agree with any statement, no matter how poorly constructed, illogical or childish it may be, if it suports their own view.

And not wanting to be wrong seems like the #1 driving force on these forums.  It never ceases to amaze me how few people will concede even a single point about anything.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:03 .

[shadoww6021]

Andromidius wrote...

Smudboy is the anti-Clevernoob. Both go too far. Both started with good points, but quickly devolved into opinion and inaccuracy and nitpicking.

We need more balance.

but unlike smudboy, CN managed to convert quite a lot of people to his side of the argument. smudboy tends to just insult people.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey guys did you know that for Star Wars empire at War FOC they are doing a halo mod, and ME mod. Man it looks awsome.

Oh and since we are talking about this guys video, then I would like to say ya I haven't seen it, and from everyones respones to his video it's not good I take it. And does he believe in IT?

Now taht is interesting. I own FoC and would love to see a Mass effect and Halo mod.

[Andromidius]

I will give Clevernoob a +1 for not being a rude so-and-so.

And honestly I think they best videos are ones that just show evidence, none to minimal talking from the video maker, and just show what happens in the games and asks a few questions about what it means. No answers given, just letting people decide.

Of course it means a lot of people won't agree with you. But its a more honest way of showing evidence, and anyone who's honest in their inquiry will probably come to the same conclusions.

[Andromidius]

masster blaster wrote...

 And does he believe in IT?

No.  And don't bother watching it if you're prone to getting annoyed, he baits people non-stop and makes out that you're stupid if you disagree with him.  He's openly attacked not just IT, but ITers as well.

i.e. He's a douche.

Also, he apperently hates ME2.  So quite why he thought ME3 would be different I have no idea.  All the games have their problems, and ME2 has possibly the weakest overarcing plot and yet the strongest story.

[Andromidius]

Basic paraphrasing of Smudboy's views on IT:

"So some people think that Shepard was Indoctrinated. That's stupid, and so is anyone who believes it! How could Shepard be Indoctrinated when he's fighting the Reapers, that's stupid! Shepard is immune to Indoctrination because he's been around Reapers loads and wasn't Indoctrinated! You're stupid if you think that!"

i.e. He doesn't understand even the basic premise of IT.

Modifié par Andromidius, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[masster blaster]

No. And don't bother watching it if you're prone to getting annoyed, he baits people non-stop and makes out that you're stupid if you disagree with him. He's openly attacked not just IT, but ITers as well.

i.e. He's a douche.

Also, he apperently hates ME2. So quite why he thought ME3 would be different I have no idea. All the games have their problems, and ME2 has possibly the weakest overarcing plot and yet the strongest story.


Wow so he believes everything happened for real, and is one minded right. Yet for people that like the literal ending he attacks them if they don't agree with his own statments. :/

[masster blaster]

"So some people think that Shepard was Indoctrinated. That's stupid, and so is anyone who believes it! How could Shepard be Indoctrinated when he's fighting the Reapers, that's stupid! Shepard is immune to Indoctrination because he's been around Reapers loads and wasn't Indoctrinated! You're stupid if you think that!"



And That's actually what people use when they have nothing left to say, and if they have more to say they start to talk about bs, and us being cults/ zealots. I will never understand people like that.

At least some literalist like Epyon, Harlesish, and a few others consider IT a possibility. I am sure there are more, but ya. Oh and isn't he asking to start a flame war again with Literalist, and ITers.

[MattFini]

I watched the video and regretted it.

Beyond the fact it was annoying, it brought absolutely NOTHING new to the table.

[Restrider]

Andromidius wrote...

Smudboy is the anti-Clevernoob. Both go too far. Both started with good points, but quickly devolved into opinion and inaccuracy and nitpicking.

We need more balance.

True words.
I hate it when people start out with good intentions and base their arguments with facts or a reasonable train of thought, but - due to popular feedback - start to show their unreflected opinion in absolutes in future videos dismissing any other interpretation. This is usually a sign of a starting hubris of the authors/directors.

That's why I think that Avacoyos (I'm 100% sure that I spelled it wrong) video is the best since it uses only ingame footage and he is very reserved with his own opinion - excluding the last part where he shortly explains what he believes in.

Modifié par Restrider, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[masster blaster]

Hey guys I just notice we are the only theory/ thread that has made videos to support IT.happy face.

[MattFini]

^ Which video(s) is that?

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey guys I just notice we are the only theory/ thread that has made videos to support IT.happy face.

There are a lot of hate-videos about ME3. More than IT videos. So, I'd say the "Bad Writing Theory" has the most "supporting" video material.

[masster blaster]

Matt the first page.

[Andromidius]

And I imagine the "Bad Writing Theory' has the least unofficial support from Bioware. They only like speculation, not raging anti-fanbois.