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[Davik Kang]

Restrider wrote...
There are a lot of hate-videos about ME3. More than IT videos. So, I'd say the "Bad Writing Theory" has the most "supporting" video material.

Hahahaha

Andromidius wrote...

And I imagine the "Bad Writing Theory' has the least unofficial support from Bioware. They only like speculation, not raging anti-fanbois.

What?  No!  I'm sure Bioware love reading about how they don't know how to do their jobs!

[Schachmatt123]

Just a quick info for all of you, please check your mails and change your origin password:
http://www.rockpaper...-your-password/

P.S.: IT is still going? Great!

[Andromidius]

I'm sad that I couldn't keep Talon Five alive during Thessia. Not sure if its even possible, may be scripted. I even saved the Hydra missile for the two Harvesters.

Edit:

Okay, so its pretty clear that something was up inside the temple.  Both the Scientists are dead, no enemies inside, military grade shields are up.  Cerberus shows up right after the beacon is found.

Considering there are no Reapers inside the temple, and that the shields are up, its easy to deduce that Cerberus planted the 'beacon' beforehand and then raised the shields again.  Or one of the Asari scientists was indoctrinated, killed her companion and then herself.

Regardless, the beacon is very likely tampered with or a fake.  Either by Cerberus or the Reapers via indoctrinated agents.

Also, Liara says "Their throats, they've been slit.  Clearly the Reapers didn't do this."  So yeah, either Cerberus (you know who carries a sword?  Yep) or an indoctrinated Asari.

And the temple is mostly untouched, despite the devastation elsewhere.  The Reapers seemingly ignore it, and walk on by.  Its obvious they want it found (further partially reinforced by the fact the two Harvesters 'retreat' after killing Talon Five).

Modifié par Andromidius, 14 novembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[Davik Kang]

Andromidius wrote...

I'm sad that I couldn't keep Talon Five alive during Thessia. Not sure if its even possible, may be scripted. I even saved the Hydra missile for the two Harvesters.

Edit:

Okay, so its pretty clear that something was up inside the temple.  Both the Scientists are dead, no enemies inside, military grade shields are up.  Cerberus shows up right after the beacon is found.

Considering there are no Reapers inside the temple, and that the shields are up, its easy to deduce that Cerberus planted the 'beacon' beforehand and then raised the shields again.  Or one of the Asari scientists was indoctrinated, killed her companion and then herself.

Regardless, the beacon is very likely tampered with or a fake.  Either by Cerberus or the Reapers via indoctrinated agents.

I wonder if they'll do another LotSB-style DLC that will have little tidbits of information, helping explain the behind-the-scenes stuff like this?

I really need to hurry the **** up and finish may second trilogy playthrough.  Not even halfway through ME1 yet.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 14 novembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[demersel]

Hello everyone!
Please, can someone do a quick recap, of what has been new for a couple of days - had a lot of work, and now am really angry at something that happened to my property. Need to take my mind away from things a bit.

Modifié par demersel, 14 novembre 2012 - 03:05 .

[shadoww6021]

going to bed everyone (living in Australia sucks for timezones), hope that you all have an insightful. day.

[Andromidius]

Davik Kang wrote...
I wonder if they'll do another LotSB-style DLC that will have little tidbits of information, helping explain the behind-the-scenes stuff like this?

I do hope so.  Speculation is great and all, but a few answers are needed now and then.  Even if they lead to more speculations.

[Andromidius]

Aha. Alarm bells ringing.

Vendetta talks to Javik, and mentioned "I know of your mission."

Impossible. Vendetta's designer wouldn't know a damn thing about Javik's Victory mission, just like Javik knew nothing about the Crucible. Why? Because they had no Mass Relays at that time, the Reapers controlled them. And Eden Prime is on the other side of the Galaxy to Thessia.

Vendetta has been tampered with. Its obvious.

Also, Shepard says Kai Leng killed the scientists. He doesn't deny it. Which means he got through the shields and then raised them again, and thus had time to tamper with the beacon. With the knowledge gained from the archieves they had the means.

Finally, right before Kai Leng and TIM show up, Vendetta even says the Protheans who wanted to control the Reapers were indoctrinated. Javik concures. Then TIM shows up saying they should control the Reapers. TIM is indoctrinated, Control is a tactic the Reapers employ.

Goodbye all credibility of the Control ending being legit.

Edit:

Shepard accuses TIM of being indoctrinated, and playing right into their hands.  TIM's responce is "I could say the same of you."  But Shepard is fighting the Reapers right now, there's no indoctrination. 

However...  If you look at it slightly differently...  He said 'could'.  As in, maybe in the future.  Then TIM's comment of "I've been fighting the Reapers longer then you can imagine," shows he knows he's under their influence and has been battling indoctrination for decades.

Interesting.

Modifié par Andromidius, 14 novembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[demersel]

Thessia scene is pretty epic, actually - it is really complicated - and the whole thing with the beacon is very strange. First off - there is a reaper noise, right before shepard semses the beacon.

[Andromidius]

demersel wrote...

Thessia scene is pretty epic, actually - it is really complicated - and the whole thing with the beacon is very strange. First off - there is a reaper noise, right before shepard semses the beacon.

I noticed that too, but Shepard seems to think its exactly like the previous two beacons he's interacted with.

As a side note, Kai Leng is cheap.  Even on harder difficulties (Hardcore for me atm) he was stupidly easy.  Spent more time recharging then even prancing around being shot, and didn't attack anyone even once.  Pathetic boss fight.

Edit:

Its also interesting that Shepard blames him/herself on Thessia's fall.  Something that Shepard couldn't have stopped even if the Catalyst was found.

I wonder if indoctrination efforts would amplify negative emotions, like guilt?  Slowly breaking down the will to fight, or the willingness to accept sacrifices?

Modifié par Andromidius, 14 novembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[demersel]

I played though the game on isnanity - it was insultingly easy (and that was before I tried multipleyer, which at first proved to be very challenging to me even on bronze) - the only time a had some kind of trouble - was the turret section on thessia, and that was more annoying that challenging.

[demersel]

I really thing that all protheam beacons can't really be trusted. We had three... Let's see - first is the one on Eden Prime - knock shepard down, vispers and voices are heard. It already has been accessed by Saren and by extension Sovereign.
Second one - you actually speak to Sovereign through that thing! And he says that you touch his mind!
The third one is Vendetta on Thessia.

The only prothean thing that we may safely trast, it seams - is Vigil - that only Shepard accesses, and can understand him, and Javik, which cerberus did not menaged to access before Shepard (or it seems that way at least) - and that also only shepard could understand to gain access to him -
Vendetta and the beacon on Virmire - everyone in your party can understand. That should be a dead giveaway. Both have been tampered with.

[MegumiAzusa]

lol that troll doesn't even know the difference what is from the EC and what is from Leviathan. Also it's clear he never read the comics nor books.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 14 novembre 2012 - 03:37 .

[paxxton]

Everyone can understand Vigil.

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...

Everyone can understand Vigil.

After it was listening to their communications and translated itself for them.

Vendetta was understandable the moment it was activated.

[CmdrShep80]

Andromidius wrote...

I will give Clevernoob a +1 for not being a rude so-and-so.

And honestly I think they best videos are ones that just show evidence, none to minimal talking from the video maker, and just show what happens in the games and asks a few questions about what it means. No answers given, just letting people decide.

Of course it means a lot of people won't agree with you. But its a more honest way of showing evidence, and anyone who's honest in their inquiry will probably come to the same conclusions.

how about ones with text like acavyos?

[hiraeth]

The most annoying two lines of the entire games:

Shepard: I think we'd rather keep our own form.
Catalyst: No, you can't.

*#&($*#*(&$*$* IHATEYOUUUUUU

sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

[CmdrShep80]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey guys I just notice we are the only theory/ thread that has made videos to support IT.happy face.

weve even made videos on control and synthesis. Whether or not they support that's a debatable thing for them to figure out lol

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

I really thing that all protheam beacons can't really be trusted. We had three... Let's see - first is the one on Eden Prime - knock shepard down, vispers and voices are heard. It already has been accessed by Saren and by extension Sovereign.
Second one - you actually speak to Sovereign through that thing! And he says that you touch his mind!
The third one is Vendetta on Thessia.

The only prothean thing that we may safely trast, it seams - is Vigil - that only Shepard accesses, and can understand him, and Javik, which cerberus did not menaged to access before Shepard (or it seems that way at least) - and that also only shepard could understand to gain access to him -
Vendetta and the beacon on Virmire - everyone in your party can understand. That should be a dead giveaway. Both have been tampered with.

Not quite true about the Sovereign part. We dont know if we are speaking to Sovereign through the beacon, the fact that there is raised area above the beacon upon which we stand when we speak to him actually suggests it is a seperate thing.

And it would make sense for a communicator with Sovereign to be located there since it is the deepest part of the base where only Saren goes. He needs to have contact with Sovereign somehow after all.

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

Aha. Alarm bells ringing.

Vendetta talks to Javik, and mentioned "I know of your mission."

Impossible. Vendetta's designer wouldn't know a damn thing about Javik's Victory mission, just like Javik knew nothing about the Crucible. Why? Because they had no Mass Relays at that time, the Reapers controlled them. And Eden Prime is on the other side of the Galaxy to Thessia.

Vendetta has been tampered with. Its obvious.

They had the beacons to communicate.

Andromidius wrote...

Also, Shepard says Kai Leng killed the scientists. He doesn't deny it. Which means he got through the shields and then raised them again, and thus had time to tamper with the beacon. With the knowledge gained from the archieves they had the means.

I rather guess they didn't found how to get a good access which Shepard provided. The tampering was done by the Reapers themselves. I still don't think TIM is indoctrinated but tries to play Shepard against the Reapers and vice versa, thus sending her off to the Citadel while he can complete his plans as Vendettas statements before and after Cerberus tampering are completely different.

Andromidius wrote...

Finally, right before Kai Leng and TIM show up, Vendetta even says the Protheans who wanted to control the Reapers were indoctrinated. Javik concures. Then TIM shows up saying they should control the Reapers. TIM is indoctrinated, Control is a tactic the Reapers employ.

Goodbye all credibility of the Control ending being legit.

Edit:

Shepard accuses TIM of being indoctrinated, and playing right into their hands.  TIM's responce is "I could say the same of you."  But Shepard is fighting the Reapers right now, there's no indoctrination. 

However...  If you look at it slightly differently...  He said 'could'.  As in, maybe in the future.  Then TIM's comment of "I've been fighting the Reapers longer then you can imagine," shows he knows he's under their influence and has been battling indoctrination for decades.

Interesting.

This plays right into what I was writing. Shepard plays into their hands because he finds Vendetta who knows about the Catalyst, and as we know there are Reaper sounds. It is reasonable to assume TIM is building a device comparable to the Crucible, and as both parties, Liara and Cerberus each had only part of the data he needed the access to the beacon on Thessia to complete it. Combined with the work in Sanctuary he might have found a way. That for him is Shepard playing in the Reapers hands, by fighting Cerberus and not solely concentrating on the Reapers.

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Everyone can understand Vigil.

After it was listening to their communications and translated itself for them.

Vendetta was understandable the moment it was activated.

It's a good point. But Vendetta had listened to Asari for ages. He translated his output to Asari and then the squadies' Universal Translators translated it to their languages. I know it sounds like stretching but it could happen.

[dorktainian]

EDI!

She goes with you on the mission to Cerberus base. Why? To make sure you go right past the remains of the human reaper - ensuring your complete indoctrination by proximity to the now defunct reaper. It's all cameltoes fault.

TIM is innocent. He is a pawn.

Star Brat is Sovereign. He's not dead. That was just a hoax. Sovereign planted his control on the presidium tower. His corpse fell off only when the transfer was complete. (think alien - when facehugger only falls off when it's job is done) Why would Star brat offer the choice of destroy in that case? Well it's a deception. When faced with 3 choices surely you would go for the least destructive (synthesis) or the one that would allow you to stop the reapers and force them to make amends (control). Destroy is the correct choice. The only choice you can make if you are not indoctrinated. EDI will die? So what. She's a part of the problem. The Geth will die? Again they are a part of the problem. This isn't about synthetic life at all - thats a major red herring.

It's about the preservation of organic life and ending the reaper threat forever.

Shep is still injured in the rubble. It's all in his head.

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

demersel wrote...

Thessia scene is pretty epic, actually - it is really complicated - and the whole thing with the beacon is very strange. First off - there is a reaper noise, right before shepard semses the beacon.

I noticed that too, but Shepard seems to think its exactly like the previous two beacons he's interacted with.

As a side note, Kai Leng is cheap.  Even on harder difficulties (Hardcore for me atm) he was stupidly easy.  Spent more time recharging then even prancing around being shot, and didn't attack anyone even once.  Pathetic boss fight.

Edit:

Its also interesting that Shepard blames him/herself on Thessia's fall.  Something that Shepard couldn't have stopped even if the Catalyst was found.

I wonder if indoctrination efforts would amplify negative emotions, like guilt?  Slowly breaking down the will to fight, or the willingness to accept sacrifices?

Reapers can manipulate the bodies of their vessels to release hormones like adrenaline etc. Thus they can manipulate their vessels into acting differently, being more open, or plainly thinking different then what they would normally think. This is one of the reasons I think the lack of choice in ME3 is based on that. Even in ME1 there you thought you had choice it results in the same thing Shep says, even sometimes completely unfitting. This decreases in ME2, esp as she is reconstructed and the Reapers have to reassume control, and in ME3 there is only one way ahead.

[Humakt83]

demersel wrote...

I played though the game on isnanity - it was insultingly easy (and that was before I tried multipleyer, which at first proved to be very challenging to me even on bronze) - the only time a had some kind of trouble - was the turret section on thessia, and that was more annoying that challenging.

Which class you used? I had some challenging battles with my Vanguard on Hardcore and I use PC too. 

[Andromidius]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
They had the beacons to communicate.

That is true.  However, how does it know Javik personally?  Unless its got the same technology that simulates the Prothean's ability to sense thoughts.  Though in which case...  Too many plotholes to worry about.