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[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, thefirst50blackopsownerswhosendtheirpicturewithame2dvdtobiowarewillgetmetrilogyforfree.

so it was on purpose?

Either that or they made a smart PR move on-the-fly.
http://blog.bioware....ering-the-call/

[paxxton]

Eryri wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Watching those conversations with TIM gives me strong impression that there will be a citadel DLC - that will have the real ending. it is all there - give me the catalyst and we can and it with the crucible - it's not that simple - It is! It is that simple! .

Mike Gamble said a few days ago that BioWare was working on a DLC that was like they had never done before.

Though the next comment was something along the lines of "like always!"

Gamble gives Javik a run for his money as the master troll.

One of the other devs also tweeted about finishing work on a difficult piece of "logic".

I wonder if they're planning some new gameplay mode, such as actually being able to control the Normandy itself?

Fighting reapers in space with the Normandy could make for a hell of a boss battle. And ME3 has had a conspicuous absence of vehicle sections compared to the other two games.

Running on the Normandy while Joker fights Harbinger.

[Andromidius]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

If the citadel is the catalyst then TIM had however long that Cerberus base mission was to acquire and move the citadel. If the citadel is not the catalyst then what is?

/coughomegacough

/trollface

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demersel wrote...

Note how TIM is apperantly talking to the image of Harbinger when speaking to shepard on mars... at least in the very beginning of the convo

Yeah, noticed that too. Don't know what to make of it though...at least besides the obvious interpretations.

[Restrider]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Here's a what if thought without a lot of backing yet:

What if TIM is just a pawn and Kai Leng is the real force behind TIM. I say this because in the 1st TIM conversations TIM has no implants but Kai does. Could Kai be a double agent working with the Reapers subtly convincing/subverting TIM?

At first this sounds totally dumb. But given more thought, it could at least give Kai Cereal Leng more depth and development. I still this is highly unlikely (like 99,9% unlikely).

[Davik Kang]

Andromidius wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

If the citadel is the catalyst then TIM had however long that Cerberus base mission was to acquire and move the citadel. If the citadel is not the catalyst then what is?

/coughomegacough

/trollface

That really would be so awesome.

Would involce completely changing the ending though... would they really do that... really?

They could have the same ending somehow.. but how could they possibly excuse us heading to Earth after that though...

[Restrider]

Humakt83 wrote...
Not according to Retribution. But Kai Leng received his implants long before TIM, I'd say it is possible that he's much further down the path, though the indoctrination process likely began with TIM (Evolution comic) long before Kai Leng entered the picture. And there shouldn't be any reason to doubt that Kai Leng wouldn't be indoctrinated on Thessia.

"We evolve or we die. Those are the options!" - Synthesis supporter and Reaper sympathizer.

Yeah!
If we assume that Kai Leng is more indoctrinated than TIM (if we assume that indoctrination can be described non-discrete) it appears to me that Synthesis (Kai Leng supports it) is the more "indoctrinated choice" than Control (TIM's plan). Synthesis is cooperating with the Reapers, Control is trying to subjugate them.

[Eryri]

Davik Kang wrote...

That really would be so awesome.

Would involce completely changing the ending though... would they really do that... really?

They could have the same ending somehow.. but how could they possibly excuse us heading to Earth after that though...

Define "the ending";)

[Davik Kang]

Eryri wrote...

Define "the ending";)

Hah whoops, I meant it would completely contradict Priority:Earth such that there would be no reason to do it any more.

[ But then I think you knew that ]

[BatmanTurian]

Eryri wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

That really would be so awesome.

Would involce completely changing the ending though... would they really do that... really?

They could have the same ending somehow.. but how could they possibly excuse us heading to Earth after that though...

Define "the ending";)

THIS X over 9000
I refuse to believe the ending they mean is the four endings from the EC. This is the true ending. Everything can be changed up until that. They even changed the " endings" in the EC, adding Refuse. So it's BS that they wouldn't change anything before this.

[Andromidius]

Some of us would be okay with Priority: Earth going away, but...

Well, maybe we don't find out that Omega is the real Catalyst until we get onto the Citadel. Then we get to throw that knowledge in Starbinger's face and get a legitimate Refusal option.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...
THIS X over 9000
I refuse to believe the ending they mean is the four endings from the EC. This is the true ending. Everything can be changed up until that. They even changed the " endings" in the EC, adding Refuse. So it's BS that they wouldn't change anything before this.

And changing the terms of the other three endings, adding more details, and even retconning other details.  The EC endings are different to the original ones in many ways.

[Eryri]

Davik Kang wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Define "the ending";)

Hah whoops, I meant it would completely contradict Priority:Earth such that there would be no reason to do it any more.

[ But then I think you knew that ]

^_^Well I'm sure Bioware could come up with a good reason. If Omega is a prototype version of the Citadel, then Hacket may attempt to use the Citadel as the Catalyst first, as it's more likely to function properly than broken-down, old Omega perhaps?

If Shepard is still in London and everything is a hallucination, then the Citadel may not even have opened. Once Harby realises his indoctrination attempt has failed he might shut off the beam - leaving the crucible unable to dock. Hacket might order a general retreat, and then as a last throw of the dice, decide to use Omega as a back up catalyst maybe?

[Eryri]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
THIS X over 9000
I refuse to believe the ending they mean is the four endings from the EC. This is the true ending. Everything can be changed up until that. They even changed the " endings" in the EC, adding Refuse. So it's BS that they wouldn't change anything before this.

And changing the terms of the other three endings, adding more details, and even retconning other details.  The EC endings are different to the original ones in many ways.

In many massive ways. No galactic dark-age caused by a chain of relays going supernova for one.

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Eryri wrote...
In many massive ways. No galactic dark-age caused by a chain of relays going supernova for one.

Then, having an additional EMS dependent scenario where Normandy's cockpit doesn't light up when flying away from the shockwave, including a now much calmer Joker and a rather uplifting accompanying soundtrack...pre-EC 'unreachable'.

[masster blaster]

End of the Civil war, and Lincoins assassination.Shep80 I think TIM wanted Shepard to see Control as bs. I mean TIM knows that he is being Indoctrinated, so he has to play Shepard. If not the Reapers would kill TIM, or fully Indoctrinate TIM.

So TIM get's to Thessia first, and he hacks the VI. Now TIM tells the VI his plans, and when Shepard get's there. The trap has been set.

In other words TIM can't tell Shepard what the Catalyst is because if TIM told the Reapers one thing, and Shepard another, then the Reaper would kill TIM. So he tells Vendetta to tell Shepard the Citadel is the Catalyst, yet he told Shepard were to find the final piece of the Citadel.

In other words Cerberus had the other part of the crucible design the Citadel. The Citadel is a targeting system that allows Shepard ( the Catalyst to target all Reapers. In short term TIM uses the Reapers own trap against them, but it's up to Shepard to make the right choice.

Now here's the funny part when we see TIM at the end, he's a creation of Shepard's Indoctrinated part of his/her mind. Now this would be TIM afterhe get's the implants, or does he. Remember he cuts the Video after he says end recording, like he knew we were going to watch the videos.

In other words TIM left behind clues on why he did this, and what his plans were. He wasn't trying to find a way to Control the Reapers, but Indoctrination. TIM was trying to find a way to stop Indoctrination because Shepard was starting to get the signs of Indoctrination, that's why he is trying to find a way to help Shepard, but in the end he realizes you can't Control Indoctrination.

You can only fight it. Hence he is done helping Shepard because TIM got his answer. When TIM talked with Vendetta, he told TIM about the Indoctrinated Protheans wanted to Control the Reapers, so TIM hung his head, yet TIM then realized that's it.


Nobody can Control the Reapers, but Destroy them. At first TIM thought Destroying the Reapers gains us nothing because they can still Indoctrinate people even if they are dead, but it isn't till he talks with the VI Prothean, then he understands why Control won't work.


So in the end TIM did help Shepard, but not for Control, but Destroy. That could be why TIM, Miranda, and Jacob always told Shepard some agents/ projects go rogue, was bs. To Miranda, and Jacob yes, but not for TIM.

TIM gave created those rogue projects on perpouse. He wanted Shepard to see how bad Control, and Synthesis were.

That's why Jack was a target to be recrutid is because her stroy is suppost to change Shepard's mind about Cerberus, and not try to Control things that can't be Controld.

So in a sense TIM in ME3 wants to show Shepard that yes Control is possible, but you will become the puppet in the end.

[Andromidius]

You know, the way Anderson talks when he meets Shepard in the shuttle is very odd.

Especially when he says something along the lines of "the Reapers brought us all together". Its almost like he's saying the evil brought upon the Galaxy is a good thing, in the long run. Maybe it is.

But then Garrus (or whoever you have in your party) says "No, Shepard brought us all together", Anderson quickly says "that's what I ment".

Hmm. Really? Or are you trying to tell us something that you can't state openly?

Edit:

Huh.  One of the soldiers manning a radio in the FOB has the same voice as Donnelly.  Same actor, I guess, not even bothering to try a different accent or inflection.

Edit2:

And Ashley called Shepard "Captain".  Uh.

Modifié par Andromidius, 14 novembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[401 Kill]

RIP Lincoln.

Yeah, there is just too much weirdness going on in Priority: Earth for me to take it seriously. The room with the vent, bed, husk-in-door, and hamster cage put me over the top though. That isn't even covering the conversations either...

[Davik Kang]

Loads of Priority:Earth is built from memories. The husk in the door (Vancouver), the fighter jets rushing overhead after the turret bit (Palaven), the transport crash and get out on foot (Tuchanka), the cries of human squadmates if Steve dies, the blue wires all over the floor that we see elsewhere except here they're out of place and don't lead anywhere, the blue bodies in front of the beam just like on Mars, Kaidan and Ash bodies (this is more like a nightmare than simple memory), the Collector base and LotSB base similarities on the Citadel...

There could be something deeper, but for now I think it's telling us that Shepard is finding it hard to distinguish reality from hallucination.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 14 novembre 2012 - 11:49 .

[Andromidius]

Not to mention Liara's final gift. She says its a memory, but then its just a lightshow. With red lights.

...yeah.

Oh, and most of the farewells from your old squadmates via QEC (in the field? Uh, 'kay) are so short they may as well not have bothered. Samara's is about 15 seconds long!

[Davik Kang]

AVINA on the Citadel refers to non-Council species as "lesser species". Do we know who built Avina?

It's interesting how there seems to be a semi-hostile atmosphere on the Citadel Presidium - preaching Hanar, racist human Diplomat, bitter Volus diplomat, info trader Barla Von, Nassana, Helena Blake, Udina - and yet the place remains entirely calm (save the Wards). All seem to talk about the Citadel and the monument with (superstitious?) awe...

These things mainly foreshadow the fact that it's a Reaper trap as we learn in ME1, though it's still interesting to look at the way BW foreshadow stuff in these games...

[Davik Kang]

Andromidius wrote...

Not to mention Liara's final gift. She says its a memory, but then its just a lightshow. With red lights.

Mine too.  I guess we were too Renegade in our playthroughs:innocent:

[Andromidius]

If shooting people in the middle of monologuing is Renegade, then colour me red and call me Shepard.

[Andromidius]

Uh. And what's with the soldiers at the FOB who are firing their sniper rifles at the sky? Are they such bad shots they can't even hit the Earth?

Edit:

Also...where are all the Reapers on Earth?  You only ever seen one at a time, and a lot of the time you see none.  On Thessia and Earth during the intro they are everywhere, off in the distance.  Here, nothing.

Modifié par Andromidius, 15 novembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

If shooting people in the middle of monologuing is Renegade, then colour me red and call me Shepard.

I prefer telling them they work too hard and putting them to sleep via electricution.