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[DoomsdayDevice]

Still catching up to the thread, but had to post this:

Re-watching the scene with Javik in the Thessia temple:

- First off, the Reaper horn sound when Shepard's hand seems to be magically drawn to the beacon. Megumi pointed this out some time ago, and it is very intriguing. It makes Vendetta...., dubious.. Not to mention (like MB said) It is strange that Javik doesn't notice it, even though Liara says "It must be the Prothean cypher you were given on Feros so long ago." and Javik says: "..or it could be the Prothean standing next to you.

That's interesting, but my point is this:

Javik says: "You can't keep denying reality, Asari." (Referring to the Goddess being a Prothean.)

And then it dawned on me.

This another one of those revelations in ME3, where something turns out to be not what it seems.

- The Asari goddess isn't a superior being, it's just a Prothean. And Liara needs to stop denying reality.

It's similar to Sanctuary, where the 'promised land' isn't the paradise as advertized, it's a freaking trap where people are 'integrated' into Cerberus husks. (Heavily foreshadowing synthesis)

I think the Asari goddess turning out to be simply a Prothean, from a writers' perspective, seems to be an obvious reference to the star child not being the superior being it appears to be. It's just a Reaper.

It's like the Citadel not being what it appears to be, but a freaking Reaper Venus fly trap.

I'm willing to bet Omega is going to turn out not being what it appears to be.

It's absolutely a theme.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 15 novembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

Uh. And what's with the soldiers at the FOB who are firing their sniper rifles at the sky? Are they such bad shots they can't even hit the Earth?

Edit:

Also...where are all the Reapers on Earth?  You only ever seen one at a time, and a lot of the time you see none.  On Thessia and Earth during the intro they are everywhere, off in the distance.  Here, nothing.

Earth is a big place, and much more populated in the future.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

If shooting people in the middle of monologuing is Renegade, then colour me red and call me Shepard.

I prefer telling them they work too hard and putting them to sleep via electricution.

I always saw that as a Paragon action, considering it was a Batarian.

/evilgrin

And yeah.  Remember the discussion about the abstract paintings?  The same one in the apartment in London is also in Bryson's lab/apartment.  You know, the guy obsessed about finding information on the Reapers before the Reapers became public knowledge?

Memories manifesting themselves in reality ahoy!

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...
Earth is a big place, and much more populated in the future.

And the Reapers are focusing their defend around the Beam in London.  So where are they all?  You'd think they'd want to guard it with a dozen Destroyers at the very least!

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

If shooting people in the middle of monologuing is Renegade, then colour me red and call me Shepard.

I prefer telling them they work too hard and putting them to sleep via electricution.

I always saw that as a Paragon action, considering it was a Batarian.

/evilgrin

And yeah.  Remember the discussion about the abstract paintings?  The same one in the apartment in London is also in Bryson's lab/apartment.  You know, the guy obsessed about finding information on the Reapers before the Reapers became public knowledge?

Memories manifesting themselves in reality ahoy!

That's an interesting retcon foreshadowing.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Earth is a big place, and much more populated in the future.

And the Reapers are focusing their defend around the Beam in London.  So where are they all?  You'd think they'd want to guard it with a dozen Destroyers at the very least!

“Our power is unmatched.”



“Nothing stands against us.”

[Andromidius]

Aye. And there's more of the same paintings further on in London, and back in Kasumi's loyalty mission.

[spotlessvoid]

Harbinger don't need no stinking help. He kills everyone and flies off like it ain't ****. Swag

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Harbinger don't need no stinking help. He kills everyone and flies off like it ain't ****. Swag

lol at the swag " It's... perfect..."

[paxxton]

I was just browsing through ME3 achievements and found one that's called Executioner. Its description says "Defeat an old adversary."

The other one says "Well Connected: Send a warning throughout the Galaxy."

Modifié par paxxton, 15 novembre 2012 - 12:57 .

[Andromidius]

"...we're talking heavy losses Commander..."

*shows up instantly*

Okay, Harbinger. Okay. Very convincing.

Edit: And the outer spires of the Conduit look like Destroyers.  A lot like them.

Edit2: Since when did they add a second Keeper in the corpse-tunnel?  Regardless, all bald humans.  Apperently Reapers don't like hair in their soup either.

Edit3: And I love how literally say Shepard is immune to indoctrination, but fully accept the fact TIM can control Shepard telepathically.  Yeah.  Convinced.

Edit4: The 'Catalyst'.  The main problem with his bull**** is two of the three options he gives you DON'T FIX THE APPERENT PROBLEM HE'S WORRIED ABOUT.

Destroy means 'Chaos' goes unopposed.  Control means the 'Chaos' would apperently accellerate as organics have more tools to create more synthetics - and thus according to its logic will rebel against them.

Synthesis is just stupid.

Therefore nothing it says is worth listening to.

Modifié par Andromidius, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:31 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Andromidius wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...
Hmm... now that's a point.  By salvaging whatever Sheaprd left of the Human Proto-Reaper, and working on it on Cronos Station, TIM may have inadvertently (or not?!?!) tunred Cronos into a new collector base.

Could it be that TIM's newly violent methods, and his ability to produce masses of expendable troops, have something to do with the dead Reaper presence there?  Especially considering that 

1) it's a human Reaper, thereby likely more in tune with human psyche, and 

2) we see in ME2 that even a dead Reaper can have serious influence on those nearby.

It also explains how Cerberus created a huge army in a limited space of time.  Sanctuary may have been an experiment to try and create indoctrinated troops without the influence of the Proto-Reaper, and hense why the facility was attacked by Reaper forces.

Still doesn't explain how Cerberus managed to create so many warships in secret.  But one step at a time.

Don't forget that Shepard working with Cerberus, the icon of humanity, the first human spectre, and who was also used in Alliance recruitment ads after death(via Jacob), likely and unfortunately caused a lot of humans to join up with Cerberus. Donnelly? Daniels? I doubt they're the only ones that got fed up with Alliance post Shepard's death. There's also Benning to cite in which we found out that  Cerberus has been fooling civilians into believing they're rescue teams and then kidnapping them. Six months, I think, would be ample time for Cerberus to pick up recruits, especially considering everything that happened in ME2 with only human colonies disappearing and no support from the Council. Plenty of fuel for that fire even before ME3 began and Shepard was brought back.

Also, regarding warships, did we ever actually see cerberus warships that were bigger than fighters or shuttles? We at least know that TIM has enough investors and makes enough bank to keep Cerberus funded despite how expensive the Lazarus cell was. We also know they have more than one space station, one capable of holding frigates the size of the SR-2. I'm assuming that SR-2's price in cruisers, based on how vastly upgraded it was compared to the SR-1, is twice if not three or four times that of the SR-1(per Citadel: Snap Inspection). So it's possible that they could have cruisers if those same investors pitched in again, or frigates. Dreadnoughts? I don't know, is it ever said somewhere that Cerberus has one?

[Andromidius]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Also, regarding warships, did we ever actually see cerberus warships that were bigger than fighters or shuttles?

Cruisers are mentioned, and there's a space battle against Hacket's fleet during the attack on Cronos Station.  Apperently they have a decent sized independant fleet, and its got better overall tech then most Alliance vessels.

Edit:

And I'd like to think Bioware do have some balls.  I mean they already withstood the barrage of hate after the original ME3 release, they can handle a bit of anger from some diehard literalists I'm sure. 

And unlike the original ME3 ending, if they do a big reveal DLC then they won't just have IGN singing their praises.  Most of the rest of us will be as well, and ME4 will be a surefire best seller - compared to the so-so reaction to it so far.

Modifié par Andromidius, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:50 .

[BatmanTurian]

starlitegirlx wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Still catching up to the thread, but had to post this:

Re-watching the scene with Javik in the Thessia temple:

- First off, the Reaper horn sound when Shepard's hand seems to be magically drawn to the beacon. Megumi pointed this out some time ago, and it is very intriguing. It makes Vendetta...., dubious.. Not to mention (like MB said) It is strange that Javik doesn't notice it, even though Liara says "It must be the Prothean cypher you were given on Feros so long ago." and Javik says: "..or it could be the Prothean standing next to you.

That's interesting, but my point is this:

Javik says: "You can't keep denying reality, Asari." (Referring to the Goddess being a Prothean.)

And then it dawned on me.

This another one of those revelations in ME3, where something turns out to be not what it seems.

- The Asari goddess isn't a superior being, it's just a Prothean. And Liara needs to stop denying reality.

It's similar to Sanctuary, where the 'promised land' isn't the paradise as advertized, it's a freaking trap where people are 'integrated' into Cerberus husks. (Heavily foreshadowing synthesis)

I think the Asari goddess turning out to be simply a Prothean, from a writers' perspective, seems to be an obvious reference to the star child not being the superior being it appears to be. It's just a Reaper.

It's like the Citadel not being what it appears to be, but a freaking Reaper Venus fly trap.

I'm willing to bet Omega is going to turn out not being what it appears to be.

It's absolutely a theme.

Great points! I just played LotSB for the first time the other day and then again yesterday and I'm seeing how things aren't what they appeared to be at all. I thought for ages that Tim was in on getting shepard but now it's wasn't REALLY that. It was Liara going to cerberus using the broker.  But regarding that, did anyone watch the videos with Aria at the broker's ship? One is where she watches a blue sun murdered by a bunch of men. The other is where she watches what I think was a blue sun in an explosion. I don't think Aria is an undercover agent at all in Omega like some have suspected or hoped. I just can't see it.

And no matter what they come out with at this point, unless they resolve the end so the reapers aren't still harvesting and shepard is lying in rubble SOMEWHERE, there's really no point unless that was the point. You cannot beat the unbeatable foe. No matter what choices you make, no matter how hard you try, no matter anything at all, what will happen is going to happen. Quite the statement if you are not a literalist.

I can no longer play it past sanctuary. It's pointless to me. Futilism at its best. And I cannot see them changing it so shepard rises from the rubble and somehow hits a switch that does trigger the crucible to destroy all the reapers. Would be easy to do and an easy add in for something like the guardian (leaked DLC), but they lack the balls to do it.

Give it time. Let's see what they do before we start dropping like flies.

[masster blaster]

Um you do realize Ash called Shepard captin when she was reciting a poem if you romanced her in ME1. " Oh my captin my captin."

[Andromidius]

masster blaster wrote...

Um you do realize Ash called Shepard captin when she was reciting a poem if you romanced her in ME1. " Oh my captin my captin."

Well I didn't.  So she's got no business doing that.  Only Tali gets away with it.

[CmdrShep80]

Davik Kang wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Define "the ending";)

Hah whoops, I meant it would completely contradict Priority:Earth such that there would be no reason to do it any more.

[ But then I think you knew that ]

there is that line that TIM tells Shepard about not being ready yet to face the end. The mission can fit in between priority Cerberus base and priority earth. By beating the mission, you won't change the ending as it is but expand on it.  The best place to put it would be after the stargazer one more story scene because people will be looking for changes early and when they see nothing changes, they will probably exit out of the game instead of watching the full ending. 

[masster blaster]

Shepard is the Catalyst. Shepard is the hero of the galaxy. Shepard is not a god, but a mortal. The Reapers are devils that deserve to die. Reapers are a blight among the galaxy, and they must be killed. For if one lives all are endanger.

I don't really know what I am saying, but Shepard is the Catalyst for sure, and Reapers need to die.

[masster blaster]

Andro, um no Tali romance only in ME2. While Ash was ME1. So Tali had no right, and besides Tali is happy with Garrus, and Javik with Liara. Oh and Dannels, with Gabie, so everyone wins.

[CmdrShep80]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Eryri wrote...
In many massive ways. No galactic dark-age caused by a chain of relays going supernova for one.

Then, having an additional EMS dependent scenario where Normandy's cockpit doesn't light up when flying away from the shockwave, including a now much calmer Joker and a rather uplifting accompanying soundtrack...pre-EC 'unreachable'.

i liked the dark age ending actually. I thought it was a great segway to our reality

[Andromidius]

masster blaster wrote...

Andro, um no Tali romance only in ME2. While Ash was ME1. So Tali had no right, and besides Tali is happy with Garrus, and Javik with Liara. Oh and Dannels, with Gabie, so everyone wins.

...

No.

[CmdrShep80]

FYI in masster's post, I noticed the word Shepard staggers from left to right in the 1st 4 paragraphs. Thought that was awesome.

But ya @masster - I like that theory. It also allows TIM to continue to advance the Reaper cause without looking too suspicious