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[Arashi08]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Puzzle Theory doesn't involve IT AFAIK.

Yeah it does. PT is that we will get more and more info and hints with each DLC released, and they'll form a complete picture. Like a puzzle.

Yeah, I've just read it. It somewhat coincides with what I and smokingotter1 were saying that each Act gets its own SP DLC and each DLC adds to the ending.

It's not really a theory, because they are doing it 

Maybe, but I'm not sure Leviathan is supposed to be in Act 1 as was suggested, since you fight Banshees and Ravagers on the mining facility.  Unless of course you mean something entirely different lol.

Also, I just realized that the asteroid facility in Halo 4 feels almost exactly like the mining facility in ME3.  Almost seems like 343 ripped off BioWare or something.

Maybe BioWare should be ripped off more often, as long as companies rip off the whole "tell good stories." part lol

Modifié par Arashi08, 15 novembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Arashi08]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Harbinger going solo guarding the beam, missing Shepard enough to burn his armour yet Shepard is relatively okay, Normandy pick up, Harbinger flying off leaving the only access to the citadel that happens to be 100m from the crucible controls completely unguarded, no cerberus or reaper troops on the citadel to attack Shepard. And there has to be Reaper troops on the Citadel, otherwise wtf are the people on it doing? You would think TIM would have a few nemesis and phantoms with him as body guards. The thing is, they have thousands of Reapers and can drop troops right out of the sky. If the beam truly leads to the Citadel, it's the single most vital place to defend. Never mind them not turning it off when there was only Marauder Shields and and the 3 husketeers there. If they just have to leave it on....they couldn't spare just a couple of Reapers? Not even one Reaper to stand guard when Harbinger leaves, just in case just one person isn't completely dead or is hiding, or another group of troops is coming in? That's saturday morning cartoon villain stupid..And that's not even mentioning starchild....all this is either bad writing in the classic super inept bad guy style, or there is something else going on. Or did Bioware really completely lose their collective minds in the last 15 minutes?

I agree the beam run is filled with way too many inconsistencies as does most of the Citadel stuff.  I was focused more on the decision chamber and what it represented.  As I said, I still think BioWare could have done it better and with less weird inconsistent stuff.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Arashi08 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

did this lack of intelligence scenario extend to the writers? they should be sent to the naughty room to examine storywriting and structure.

The only lack of intelligence is the one of the player that missed all the foreshadowing, subplots, themes, context, etc.

People who think ME series lacked intelligence are projecting. Plain and simple, they don't understand anything beyond mindless gaming.

Still, you can't  exclude the writers from blame entirely.  If it was indeed their intention they clearly could have implemented better.  It has been implemented really well in other games before, so it isn't entirely the fault of the fans who didn't understand it.  it may well have been a combined effort of lacking understanding.

Not necesarily.

Remember that under IT it is not just a twist ending, it is an ending designed to fool you. Making it more obvious would defeat that purpose.

But that is just my opinion.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 15 novembre 2012 - 07:47 .

[spotlessvoid]

Arashi:

I would have to agree that it could have been done better, but too obvious doesn't work either. I think it's Bioware's behavior more than the actual content that's causing so much doubt.

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Well, Ebert is kind of an idiot. I mean, he had to watch Cloud Atlas like 3 times to get it... and he admitted he still didn't quite get it after the third time. He's kind of overrated.

From the trailer I saw it looked... odd. What is it really about that this guy didn't get?

Just going to answer this really quick before I go to bed. Well, the problem is that I can't answer it without spoilering the movie actually. But what he didnt get was how all the characters, times, and places were connected. I watched it in one sitting and it was obvious. I'll probably watch it a few more times because it is so beautiful. It was supposed to be unfilmable, but they brought it to the big screen perfectly.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

SwobyJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I just punched Khalisah al-Jilani in ME2. Should I reload the save I made right before I did it?

I always do. And I do it 3 times in a row. Booya.

I find that stuff humorous, sure, but ... I never punched her. Neither did my boyfriend, except accidentally in ME3 (which we laughed at), and he then reloaded to Paragon her.

RP wise, there was no point to it with our characters. We don't suddenly punch those who challenge us.

Plus the paragon option in ME2 where you list of the Allaince ships lost is just plain epic.

[BleedingUranium]

Arashi08 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Puzzle Theory doesn't involve IT AFAIK.

Yeah it does. PT is that we will get more and more info and hints with each DLC released, and they'll form a complete picture. Like a puzzle.

Yeah, I've just read it. It somewhat coincides with what I and smokingotter1 were saying that each Act gets its own SP DLC and each DLC adds to the ending.

It's not really a theory, because they are doing it 

Maybe, but I'm not sure Leviathan is supposed to be in Act 1 as was suggested, since you fight Banshees and Ravagers on the mining facility.  Unless of course you mean something entirely different lol.

Also, I just realized that the asteroid facility in Halo 4 feels almost exactly like the mining facility in ME3.  Almost seems like 343 ripped off BioWare or something.

Maybe BioWare should be ripped off more often, as long as companies rip off the whole "tell good stories." part lol

Oh right, Banshees  Looks like Leviathan won't be act one on my next playthrough. I need to know what the final DLC is to finalize what I'm doing when.

At the moment I'm putting Leviathan after the post-coup side missions (Jacob/Samara/sidequests) but before I start the Geth/Quarian arc, and putting Omega right before the attack on Cronos Station.

Sareth Cousland wrote...

I also like to point out the Xbox achievement you get if you "use clues to pinpoint the exact location of an objective": Conspiracy theorist. As if using logic and evidence had anything to do with a "conspiracy". A clear nod towards the IT crowd.

I thought that was pretty cool

[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I'm starting to wonder how much Miracle of Sound knows about what's going on. I mean, listen to Take It Back: Doesn't the chorus remind you of what we're saying you should do? Heck, doesn't the WHOLE song seem to foreshadow the ending, especially when you take IT into account? I mean, I don't know for sure what he knows, but I know that Take It Back was a collaboration with BioWare.

Agreed. We know he does collaborate and communicate with Bioware, just not HOW much.

"Reignite" by Malufinix is also... interesting. youtu.be/re32xnyYP3A

Hope can drown lost in thunderous sound
Fear can claim what little faith remains

But I carry strength from souls now gone
They won't let me give in...

I will never surrender
We'll free the Earth and sky
Crush my heart into embers
And I will reignite...
I will reignite

Death will take those who fight alone
But united we can break a fate once set in stone

Just hold the line until the end
Cause we will give them hell...

I will never surrender
We'll free the Earth and sky
Crush my heart into embers
And I will reignite...
I will reignite.

You forgot important lyrics: LAAAAAAAaaaaaa LAAAAAaaaaa

Modifié par paxxton, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[Fingertrip]

Give me a break, you're that desperate for IT and you're looking even at FAN-MADE stuff that ties to IT through certain phrases?

Oh dear, that's low.

[BleedingUranium]

Fingertrip wrote...

Give me a break, you're that desperate for IT and you're looking even at FAN-MADE stuff that ties to IT through certain phrases?

Oh dear, that's low.

You act like we're thinking it's proof of IT, when really we're just looking at something mildly interesting. You can't judge the value of something without first examining it.

[Whiysper]

He can and will, though. Fingertrip has been firmly in the 'Trolling' category for a good 600 pages or more by now. We get it dude, you don't like it any more, and are cross. Please, stop polluting good speculation/theory-craft with your bile . And I'll promise to keep my sarcasm to a minimum of quiet interjections if you manage that.

Thanks in advance .

Modifié par Whiysper, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[paxxton]

Wasn't he an ITist once?

[Restrider]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Not to mention Liara's final gift. She says its a memory, but then its just a lightshow. With red lights.

...yeah.

Oh, and most of the farewells from your old squadmates via QEC (in the field? Uh, 'kay) are so short they may as well not have bothered. Samara's is about 15 seconds long!

could be the Reaper's way to help Shepard's mind let go of past attachments. What we really should ask is how the heck does a mobile FOB get their hands on a QEC?  Ditto with Anderson. I would like to know how he got one and dragged it across half of Earth just to talk to Shepard

It has never been stated that this is QEC. Could be some kind of terrestrial communication.

[BleedingUranium]

Restrider wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Not to mention Liara's final gift. She says its a memory, but then its just a lightshow. With red lights.

...yeah.

Oh, and most of the farewells from your old squadmates via QEC (in the field? Uh, 'kay) are so short they may as well not have bothered. Samara's is about 15 seconds long!

could be the Reaper's way to help Shepard's mind let go of past attachments. What we really should ask is how the heck does a mobile FOB get their hands on a QEC?  Ditto with Anderson. I would like to know how he got one and dragged it across half of Earth just to talk to Shepard

It has never been stated that this is QEC. Could be some kind of terrestrial communication.

I'm not sure why everyone assumes the holopad in the Normandy is just a QEC, and not a standard communicator as well. It seems very unlikely that people like Tevos, Koris, Xen, the Dalatrass, and others would have a QEC linking to the Normandy.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Not to mention Liara's final gift. She says its a memory, but then its just a lightshow. With red lights.

...yeah.

Oh, and most of the farewells from your old squadmates via QEC (in the field? Uh, 'kay) are so short they may as well not have bothered. Samara's is about 15 seconds long!

could be the Reaper's way to help Shepard's mind let go of past attachments. What we really should ask is how the heck does a mobile FOB get their hands on a QEC?  Ditto with Anderson. I would like to know how he got one and dragged it across half of Earth just to talk to Shepard

It has never been stated that this is QEC. Could be some kind of terrestrial communication.

I'm not sure why everyone assumes the holopad in the Normandy is just a QEC, and not a standard communicator as well. It seems very unlikely that people like Tevos, Koris, Xen, the Dalatrass, and others would have a QEC linking to the Normandy.

QEC tech has apparently improved a great deal between ME2 and 3, not impossible to set up a new connection with someone, or many.

[ElSuperGecko]

spotlessvoid wrote...
Or did Bioware really completely lose their collective minds in the last 15 minutes?

No, they didn't.  They just confused the hordes of mindless sheep that need everything spelled out for them.

Anyone who plays the games, reads the codex, actually listens to the squadmates conversations throughout the game instead of skipping through them to the next action sequence, who sits down, engages their brain and actually thinks for just half a second can see that there's much more going on in the final act of the game than meets the eye.

The end of the game is very cleverly put together.  The vast majority of the puzzle pieces are there.  People just need to use their god-given wit to connect the dots.  Hell, there's even some ridiculously blatant clues littered throughout the game - the datapad in London for example - that should have set alarm bells ringing before you even set foot on the Citadel.

I'm just looking forward to seeing Bioware's endgame with all this.