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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:52
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You know, I just had a thought. Harbinger supports Control. 
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:07
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Came across the trolling idiot that visited our thread some pages back and commented on how pathetic we are for looking for clues or whatever idiocy he/she wrote. There's nothing quite like stumbling across such a level of dumb in the morning - of realizing that the person who wrote that post probably has a D average in most of their classes and barely uses their brain and most of all that they are so literal in their thinking that even when themes are screaming at you from game 1 to the very last minutes of game 3, they still miss it entirely. I had non IT crowd sympathy for about five minutes. 4 minutes more than they deserved actually. Turns out they're just dumb as rocks- no rocks are probably more intelligent. Stupid children fumbling in the dark (or whatever that quote was exactly). I wonder if that part where the VI says that was directed at all the people that BW was fully aware would not get it and would turn into council like drones refusing to admit what is actually happening throughout the entire trilogy. I'm fairly certain they did.
Fumbling in the dark. Yep. Ignoring the facts. "ah, yes... reapers."
Fumbling in the dark. Yep. Ignoring the facts. "ah, yes... reapers."
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starlitegirlx wrote...
Came across the trolling idiot that visited our thread some pages back and commented on how pathetic we are for looking for clues or whatever idiocy he/she wrote. There's nothing quite like stumbling across such a level of dumb in the morning - of realizing that the person who wrote that post probably has a D average in most of their classes and barely uses their brain and most of all that they are so literal in their thinking that even when themes are screaming at you from game 1 to the very last minutes of game 3, they still miss it entirely. I had non IT crowd sympathy for about five minutes. 4 minutes more than they deserved actually. Turns out they're just dumb as rocks- no rocks are probably more intelligent. Stupid children fumbling in the dark (or whatever that quote was exactly). I wonder if that part where the VI says that was directed at all the people that BW was fully aware would not get it and would turn into council like drones refusing to admit what is actually happening throughout the entire trilogy. I'm fairly certain they did.
Fumbling in the dark. Yep. Ignoring the facts. "ah, yes... reapers."
Your mindset and your cultural pessimism (not sure if this word actually exists in english) is dangerous... for you. I have had this mindset a certain amount of time and still have it once in a while, but the only thing that it does is depressing you.
The problem is that you cannot simply ignore idiots (well, actually you can try and that's what I do).
I remember taking part during a Common Knowledge test of a popular news magazine and as it turned out, I was in the top 5 %. Similar things happened to me in several IQ online tests (I think an IQ over 130 is considered being in the top 5 % as well, IIRC).
In that regard I had to remind myself that not every avarage person has the same trains of thoughts I have (I remember having conversations, where I came up with topics that seemed unrelated to others, but were not to me - > different trains of thought).
Anyways, it just doesn't bother me anymore when I listen to stupidity. Why should I get mad/unhappy over that?
Obviously I haven't seriously watched television and political discussions on television in more than five years and that helps alot.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:19
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@GT Zazzerka:
Is that last GIF Liara dancing the Shepard Shuffle?
Is that last GIF Liara dancing the Shepard Shuffle?
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:20
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That is most certainly the Shepard shuffle.
Apologies for spamming up the thread with Liara, but maybe they shouldn't taken away the thread where I can do that.
Apologies for spamming up the thread with Liara, but maybe they shouldn't taken away the thread where I can do that.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:24
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That happens if people don't think for themselves. If they like what they see they have no reason to bother.masster blaster wrote...
Smudboy videos are liked a lot on this forum? Did I miss something because I am sorry he is an Ahole, that just does what ever the F he wants and not even make an argument. It makes no god dam sense what the hell he says most of the time, and what he talks about about IT is complete bs. I don't know how, or why people like his video, but I guess those are the people that hate IT, and are trolls.
I mean god dam it he just just hits himself with a hammer when he even talks about IT/ disproving . This is what the people that hate IT sound like. Not thinking straight. And talk head from butt. Honest i am not making fun of anyone, but this is what I see in the thread, and in the video.
IE: Indoctrination. We are dealing with a massive audience of indoctrinated people. But you know what the sadest part is - that they are indoctrinated due to their own idiocy. The information screams at you through the entire trilogy. I won't even bother reposting anything but the core concept that if you miss every example where control/synthesis are used brilliantly and sometimes subtlely to demonstrate how they ALWAYS lead to disaster, harm, pain and suffering, then you're just an idiot. A mindless drone or automoton who is truly incapable of thinking for yourself or perhaps is just too lazy to bother. We've got a lot of lazy minds. That's how indoctrination begins. A faction takes a bunch of lazy minds and turns them to its ideology because lazy minds are the most easily turned. Lazy minds lack will of any sort. I wonder if that is why the renegade dialogue in ME3 is so relevant (in non relationship situations) - because it takes will and stregth and a mind that is not weak or lazy to get through it. Weak minds are the ones that crumble and fail. They are the people who cry foul and blame others for their problems brought on by their poor choices.
What we're looking at here is nothing more than a cross sample of society. Who is strong minded enough to get it and who is not. Who can see beyond the literal and who cannot. Who can easily miss the themes of control and synthesis being the WORST solutions as told to you in game through the entire series and multiple missions, conversations and situations and who picks up on it (which should NOT be hard given how it's hammered into us from minute one of game one though in game one we're not clear that it is control and synthesis are what we are seeing - that doesn't begin to fall into a clear theme until ME2). Really, you'd have to be a moron to miss it.
I'm still wondering if BW is running some kind of sociological study on its gamers. We're all test subjects. Those who see IT are the outliers, the minority, the ones that cannot be indoctrinated or can break free from it. Those who don't evolve into indoctrinated drones that don't think for themselves. They are the masses. Always have been. Always will be.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:33
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Wait... they didn't lock Mad_Hamlet's thread, did they?GT Zazzerka wrote...
That is most certainly the Shepard shuffle.
Apologies for spamming up the thread with Liara, but maybe they shouldn't taken away the thread where I can do that.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:38
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No, but he's really particular. He's not a ManShep fan at all, so it's not my place. I'm just talking about the C&R forums. They've been gone a while, but only recently has the lockdown been made permanent, so I'm being passive aggressive about it.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:42
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So, I've heard that the Mirandamancers were invading other threads and trolling, but I've seen that in the Spoilers Forum as well (betwee anti/pro enders, anti/pro ITers, etc.).GT Zazzerka wrote...
No, but he's really particular. He's not a ManShep fan at all, so it's not my place. I'm just talking about the C&R forums. They've been gone a while, but only recently has the lockdown been made permanent, so I'm being passive aggressive about it.
What did they do to get the whole forum locked?
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:43
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I didn't punch Gerrel. I would've done the same in his shoes. Plus, I personally think that Shepard is more professional than that.masster blaster wrote...
I never punched her either, but Gerrel yes. I punched his *** when he got the idea to kill me, and my squad on the ship. Hell my LI was on the mission. Oh and um doesn't that seem really close to Hackett blowing up the Cerberus base?
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:46
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starlitegirlx wrote...
Came across the trolling idiot that visited our thread some pages back and commented on how pathetic we are for looking for clues or whatever idiocy he/she wrote. There's nothing quite like stumbling across such a level of dumb in the morning - of realizing that the person who wrote that post probably has a D average in most of their classes and barely uses their brain and most of all that they are so literal in their thinking that even when themes are screaming at you from game 1 to the very last minutes of game 3, they still miss it entirely. I had non IT crowd sympathy for about five minutes. 4 minutes more than they deserved actually. Turns out they're just dumb as rocks- no rocks are probably more intelligent. Stupid children fumbling in the dark (or whatever that quote was exactly). I wonder if that part where the VI says that was directed at all the people that BW was fully aware would not get it and would turn into council like drones refusing to admit what is actually happening throughout the entire trilogy. I'm fairly certain they did.
Fumbling in the dark. Yep. Ignoring the facts. "ah, yes... reapers."
Your mindset and your cultural pessimism (not sure if this word actually exists in english) is dangerous... for you. I have had this mindset a certain amount of time and still have it once in a while, but the only thing that it does is depressing you.
The problem is that you cannot simply ignore idiots (well, actually you can try and that's what I do).
I remember taking part during a Common Knowledge test of a popular news magazine and as it turned out, I was in the top 5 %. Similar things happened to me in several IQ online tests (I think an IQ over 130 is considered being in the top 5 % as well, IIRC).
In that regard I had to remind myself that not every avarage person has the same trains of thoughts I have (I remember having conversations, where I came up with topics that seemed unrelated to others, but were not to me - > different trains of thought).
Anyways, it just doesn't bother me anymore when I listen to stupidity. Why should I get mad/unhappy over that?
Obviously I haven't seriously watched television and political discussions on television in more than five years and that helps alot.
I'm not mad or depressed by it. I'm disgusted. Why? Because it's not like we're talking about something that is hard to miss or figure out. We're talking about (in this specific case regarding this game) a simple willingness to examine information provided rather than run through it on autopilot. If you want, you can apply it across the board to pretty much everything in life. But the fact remains that closed minds win. And they are idiots. It's not dangerous to call an idiot an idiot. It's dangerous to NOT identify them and see them for what they are particularly since they are in the majority and are sheeple. They do far more harm to society and people than good. Why? They don't think. They cause problems. They make bad and weak choices. They roll through life like automotons and lead to the downward spiral of civilizations. We are currently in a spiral such as that. In america, the majority of kids are glued to TV, ipods, iphones, games, movies... whatever keeps them from thinking a rational thought. They are the future generation and they are going to be quite dangerous in a sheeple kind of way. When you see an idiot, you acknowledge them as an idiot. Maybe not to their face unless they're doing something truly stupid. But in general, humoring them and ignoring them is a the worst path to take. Didn't garrus say he wasn't a good turian because a good turian hears a bad order, knows it is a bad order and follows it anyway? Well put. But in that case, the turian knows it so they are not complete idiots. What's the other saying? The one about good people doing nothing in the face of evil? All it takes for evil to rise is for good men to do nothing? Something like that. Well, 'evil' (too broad to get into but covers damage to humanity in general) represents idiocy. Seeing idiocy and doing nothing. Not calling it out as idiocy or IGNORANCE. Ignorance is the better word probably.
I avoid news and most TV unless it's interesting, scifi and fairly intelligent as well.
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Not sure if they were invading other threads, but they were having a super-melodramatic civil war in their thread, resulting in some of it's members splitting off and creating a new thread. It was all disagreements about certain aspects of her character. Apparently that was enough for Chris to lock the entire sub-forum, which seems like a bit of an overreaction.Restrider wrote...
So, I've heard that the Mirandamancers were invading other threads and trolling, but I've seen that in the Spoilers Forum as well (betwee anti/pro enders, anti/pro ITers, etc.).
What did they do to get the whole forum locked?
The man has also expressed a dislike for the romance part of the game, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:50
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I didn't punch Gerrel. I would've done the same in his shoes. Plus, I personally think that Shepard is more professional than that.masster blaster wrote...
I never punched her either, but Gerrel yes. I punched his *** when he got the idea to kill me, and my squad on the ship. Hell my LI was on the mission. Oh and um doesn't that seem really close to Hackett blowing up the Cerberus base?
My Shepard punches Gerrel every time. He endangered his people and nearly got Shepard killed.
Hell, he's been in need of a good punching since ME2.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:51
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Smudboy is a deranged lunatic, IMO. he does not in any way whatsoever represent the people who hate the IT. Saying that smudboy represents all IT-haters is like saying clevernoob represents all ITers.masster blaster wrote...
Smudboy videos are liked a lot on this forum? Did I miss something because I am sorry he is an Ahole, that just does what ever the F he wants and not even make an argument. It makes no god dam sense what the hell he says most of the time, and what he talks about about IT is complete bs. I don't know how, or why people like his video, but I guess those are the people that hate IT, and are trolls.
I mean god dam it he just just hits himself with a hammer when he even talks about IT/ disproving . This is what the people that hate IT sound like. Not thinking straight. And talk head from butt. Honest i am not making fun of anyone, but this is what I see in the thread, and in the video.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:52
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Suit yourself. Personally, I like Gerrel.byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
I didn't punch Gerrel. I would've done the same in his shoes. Plus, I personally think that Shepard is more professional than that.masster blaster wrote...
I never punched her either, but Gerrel yes. I punched his *** when he got the idea to kill me, and my squad on the ship. Hell my LI was on the mission. Oh and um doesn't that seem really close to Hackett blowing up the Cerberus base?
My Shepard punches Gerrel every time. He endangered his people and nearly got Shepard killed.
Hell, he's been in need of a good punching since ME2.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:57
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Suit yourself. Personally, I like Gerrel.
Why, exactly?
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:09
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Oh hello there.
Fellow IT'ers... I took off for a long while to regroup my thoughts on where I stand on this series as a whole after the Extended Cut, well, didn't do anything to quell my dislikes on the ending we received. Needless to say I came to the conclusion that I just didn't care anymore, hence my long leave from this thread and any kinds of threads on the BSN. Plus all the "told you so, nyeh nyeh nyeh" from the literal crowd would have just angered me further.
Regardless, I am back, and I am fully caught up on all happenings. I've heard this so called "Project X" thing. I've seen the most recent CleverNoob doc (I hadn't yet since Tuesday) and to be honest my thought process is currently at cautiously optimistic... very... cautiously optimistic.
Anyway, I'll be around to chit chat from time to time. I've been back to playing the multiplayer recently but refuse to touch the SP until the story I feel is officially finished and I won't be buying any SP DLC until either they finish the story in a way I see fit (as selfish as that may seem) or it goes on sale... because it will eventually anyway, lol.
Fellow IT'ers... I took off for a long while to regroup my thoughts on where I stand on this series as a whole after the Extended Cut, well, didn't do anything to quell my dislikes on the ending we received. Needless to say I came to the conclusion that I just didn't care anymore, hence my long leave from this thread and any kinds of threads on the BSN. Plus all the "told you so, nyeh nyeh nyeh" from the literal crowd would have just angered me further.
Regardless, I am back, and I am fully caught up on all happenings. I've heard this so called "Project X" thing. I've seen the most recent CleverNoob doc (I hadn't yet since Tuesday) and to be honest my thought process is currently at cautiously optimistic... very... cautiously optimistic.
Anyway, I'll be around to chit chat from time to time. I've been back to playing the multiplayer recently but refuse to touch the SP until the story I feel is officially finished and I won't be buying any SP DLC until either they finish the story in a way I see fit (as selfish as that may seem) or it goes on sale... because it will eventually anyway, lol.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:24
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byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Suit yourself. Personally, I like Gerrel.
Why, exactly?
Yes, I like that he knows Tali, Shepard and another crew are on the dreadnaught specificially to save their quarian asses and decided to blow the damn thing up anyway. If I put my crew and myself and one of his admirals (depending on outcome from previous plays) at risk to help save his whole damn flotilla, he damn well better not destroy it while I'm on it. And if he does, he damn well better call himself lucky for me not tossing him out an airlock. I understand his reason as to why he wanted to destroy the dreadnaught but the whole dialogue during that part was not "Get out of there shepard, we're starting an attack and will destroy it the minute you are out." It was "destroy, destroy, destroy - screw shepard who just gave us this opportunity and did it to help us, a bunch of ungrateful tools."
There is NOTHING to like about gerrel's choice in that moment. If you like someone who wants to make you a casualty after you try to help them after they PUT themselves in that horrible position then that's scary. Liking someone who didn't care if they killed you when you tried to help them is quite possibly the most insane thing I've read on this whole forum.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:25
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Anytime Han Gerrel gives you crap, just make fun of his ship name.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:29
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Ok, but bear in mind that's not so different to Shepard picking Destroy and killing the Geth and EDI as a result. This game highlights, amongst other things, how hard it is to be in the position to make these kinds of choices, and what kinds of people need to make such choices or what kinds of choices need to be made. Nothing's simple in ME.starlitegirlx wrote...
There is NOTHING to like about gerrel's choice in that moment. If you like someone who wants to make you a casualty after you try to help them after they PUT themselves in that horrible position then that's scary. Liking someone who didn't care if they killed you when you tried to help them is quite possibly the most insane thing I've read on this whole forum.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:36
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Punched? Garrel deserves to die. He is the sole reason that the quarians are wiped out if you can't make peace and choose to let Legion upload.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:36
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IronSabbath88 wrote...
Anytime Han Gerrel gives you crap, just make fun of his ship name.
I believe you're thinking of Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib, who is actually a pretty decent guy.
Han'Gerrel's ship is the Neema.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:37
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byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
I didn't punch Gerrel. I would've done the same in his shoes. Plus, I personally think that Shepard is more professional than that.masster blaster wrote...
I never punched her either, but Gerrel yes. I punched his *** when he got the idea to kill me, and my squad on the ship. Hell my LI was on the mission. Oh and um doesn't that seem really close to Hackett blowing up the Cerberus base?
My Shepard punches Gerrel every time. He endangered his people and nearly got Shepard killed.
Hell, he's been in need of a good punching since ME2.
Personally I love the Paragon interupt afterwards when Daro´Xen wants to study Legion. Her comment comparing Legion to a gun with Shepards paragon interupt is just great.
Edit: Dragon on top once again.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 04:39
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Davik Kang wrote...
Ok, but bear in mind that's not so different to Shepard picking Destroy and killing the Geth and EDI as a result. This game highlights, amongst other things, how hard it is to be in the position to make these kinds of choices, and what kinds of people need to make such choices or what kinds of choices need to be made. Nothing's simple in ME.
If EDI and the Geth survive destroy choice - they are welcome to punch my Shepard as many times as they want.
I see no reason not to punch Han Garrel.
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