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[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

You can't deny that starlites post is full of hypocrisy. That's what I'm getting at. 

"And I will take jabs at people who cannot see beyond the literal interpretation because I have no use for people who lack open mindedness and a willingness to see things from a different perspective."

"Not believing in IT is stupid. There is evidence throughout the entire game which only a slow minded, close minded individual or one who is not paying attention could miss. I will not defend people who ignore all the evidence because they are IDIOTS!" 

If that isn't hypocrisy in your eyes, then what the hell is? 

You say that literalists are like creationists? hah:lol:

As I said to Megumi, you can think and say what you like. Apparently, we will not agree.

You know, thare was a time when literalists insulted ITers as being like creationists, when the ITers would present their arguments in a respectful manner. Apparently, that role has now reversed.

Estebanus, if you want to tell someone they're being a hypocrite, don't be a hypocrite yourself. You have hardly presented your argument in a respectful manner, condescending lol's included.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

You can't deny that starlites post is full of hypocrisy. That's what I'm getting at. 

"And I will take jabs at people who cannot see beyond the literal interpretation because I have no use for people who lack open mindedness and a willingness to see things from a different perspective."

"Not believing in IT is stupid. There is evidence throughout the entire game which only a slow minded, close minded individual or one who is not paying attention could miss. I will not defend people who ignore all the evidence because they are IDIOTS!" 

If that isn't hypocrisy in your eyes, then what the hell is? 

You say that literalists are like creationists? hah:lol:

As I said to Megumi, you can think and say what you like. Apparently, we will not agree.

You know, thare was a time when literalists insulted ITers as being like creationists, when the ITers would present their arguments in a respectful manner. Apparently, that role has now reversed.

Estebanus, if you want to tell someone they're being a hypocrite, don't be a hypocrite yourself. You have hardly presented your argument in a respectful manner, condescending lol's included.

Oh, look who's talking! The person who supports someone who says that everyone who doesn't believe in a theory is a close-minded idiot! And I suppose you'd know all about people being hypocrites, right?

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

I feel compelled to point out that most Literalists who come here are stubborn jerks that have their heads of their rear orifices.  And don't get all self-righteous.  I still remember when you were nuking Literalist threads.

Edit: Huh, this would have been more appropriate if I had quoted your post above this one.  Oh well, point still stands.

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 novembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

They usually don't have a solid argument to back up their assertions or only attack one part of IT while ignoring everything else. Why wouldn't I dismiss them?

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

I feel compelled to point out that most Literalists who come here are stubborn jerks that have their heads of their rear orifices.  And don't get all self-righteous.  I still remember when you were nuking Literalist threads.

Yup. And I acknowledge that I did that. It was stupid, and I even deleted all those pictures later on. 

And even though many of those people who are against the theory come in here presenting themselves as asses, that doesn't mean ITers should be doing the same. That's just stooping down to their level.

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

You can't deny that starlites post is full of hypocrisy. That's what I'm getting at. 

"And I will take jabs at people who cannot see beyond the literal interpretation because I have no use for people who lack open mindedness and a willingness to see things from a different perspective."

"Not believing in IT is stupid. There is evidence throughout the entire game which only a slow minded, close minded individual or one who is not paying attention could miss. I will not defend people who ignore all the evidence because they are IDIOTS!" 

If that isn't hypocrisy in your eyes, then what the hell is? 

You say that literalists are like creationists? hah:lol:

As I said to Megumi, you can think and say what you like. Apparently, we will not agree.

You know, thare was a time when literalists insulted ITers as being like creationists, when the ITers would present their arguments in a respectful manner. Apparently, that role has now reversed.

Estebanus, if you want to tell someone they're being a hypocrite, don't be a hypocrite yourself. You have hardly presented your argument in a respectful manner, condescending lol's included.

Oh, look who's talking! The person who supports someone who says that everyone who doesn't believe in a theory is a close-minded idiot! And I suppose you'd know all about people being hypocrites, right?

Go take a nap or eat or something. I'm not going to argue with you anymore since you have decided to be so disagreeable.

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

They usually don't have a solid argument to back up their assertions or only attack one part of IT while ignoring everything else. Why wouldn't I dismiss them?

A fair point.  And there's a big difference between those who don't believe IT and those who absolutely, positively, HATE IT and deny that it's even possible.  It seems that the latter are what we get in here more than the former. *Sigh* I miss Epyon & Hagar.

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 novembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

I feel compelled to point out that most Literalists who come here are stubborn jerks that have their heads of their rear orifices.  And don't get all self-righteous.  I still remember when you were nuking Literalist threads.

People change. It's something different to having done something in the past then as a result change your attitude as opposed to being a blunt hypocrite and contradicting themselves in one post or two consecutive posts.

[spotlessvoid]

The roles have certainly NOT been reversed. You can accuse people of stooping to that level, but I've only met a few literalist who could engage in rational honest discussion. Where are you Epyon!?

And Estebanus, you have been spewing nothing but negativity and contribute nothing.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

They usually don't have a solid argument to back up their assertions or only attack one part of IT while ignoring everything else. Why wouldn't I dismiss them?

You see? That's the problem. You simply dismiss them as ignorant and arrogant, and what happens? It simply makes you like like an arrogant ass. If they don't have a solid argument, then why not simply debate against it?I mean, it isn't even solid, right?

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The roles have certainly NOT been reversed. You can accuse people of stooping to that level, but I've only met a few literalist who could engage in rational honest discussion. Where are you Epyon!?

And Estebanus, you have been spewing nothing but negativity and contribute nothing.

Yeah yeah, whatever. I don't see you do much else than say how you want the ending to be, and how right everybody is about everything.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Go take a nap or eat or something. I'm not going to argue with you anymore since you have decided to be so disagreeable.

I suggest you should do the same.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
To be fair, some of the people are, and if they've been exposed to IT and already rejected it as possible, then they aren't open-minded. That's accurate.

So what? It's still hypocrisy claiming two opposing things in the same few sentences. Saying that you hate all close-minded idiots while at the same time saying that everyone who doesn't believe your POV is hypocrisy. Also, it's not as if ITers themselves are god's gift to the world. Many of them used to (and some still do) act as if the IT is the one and only truth, Fingertrip included.

When your pov is supported by facts, reason, and evidence, then yes, it's denied by close-minded people, much like how evolution is denied by creationists and a round earth is denied by flat earth supporters. And then there are the people that deny we ever went to the moon. >.>

Problem is here the facts are from a media with more then one mistakes and rewrites. Also it's still because we, at least me, most don't, look at things which look solid and try if I can find errors. Most IT people, you including, usually throw things not fitting your POV out before looking, and no I wont search the threads for examples. And now starlitegirlx ignores everything not fitting his/her POV.

I don't throw out anything. I only consider it less likely. Do not pretend to know what I think.

You do the exact same thing to most literalists coming in here.

I feel compelled to point out that most Literalists who come here are stubborn jerks that have their heads of their rear orifices.  And don't get all self-righteous.  I still remember when you were nuking Literalist threads.

Yup. And I acknowledge that I did that. It was stupid, and I even deleted all those pictures later on. 

And even though many of those people who are against the theory come in here presenting themselves as asses, that doesn't mean ITers should be doing the same. That's just stooping down to their level.

And I agree that there are times when we're not as reasonable as we should be and should be more polite (Rifneno aside.  If he didn't act that way, I'd be wondering if someone Synthesized him.).  However, that does not mean that we should just let them come in here and trample all over us.  There comes a point where to not take a hardline would be unreasonable. 

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 novembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The roles have certainly NOT been reversed. You can accuse people of stooping to that level, but I've only met a few literalist who could engage in rational honest discussion. Where are you Epyon!?

And Estebanus, you have been spewing nothing but negativity and contribute nothing.

Yeah yeah, whatever. I don't see you do much else than say how you want the ending to be, and how right everybody is about everything.

At this point, there really aren't that many major discoveries to be made.  At least, not until Omega.  And frankly, it's nice to have someplace to come to where you can just chat about things without buckets of negativity (hint hint).

[spotlessvoid]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The roles have certainly NOT been reversed. You can accuse people of stooping to that level, but I've only met a few literalist who could engage in rational honest discussion. Where are you Epyon!?

And Estebanus, you have been spewing nothing but negativity and contribute nothing.

Yeah yeah, whatever. I don't see you do much else than say how you want the ending to be, and how right everybody is about everything.

Lol, sure thing buddy. A lot more people see you for who you are than you think. Watching you self destruct is hilarious.

[MegumiAzusa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The roles have certainly NOT been reversed. You can accuse people of stooping to that level, but I've only met a few literalist who could engage in rational honest discussion. Where are you Epyon!?

And Estebanus, you have been spewing nothing but negativity and contribute nothing.

I can't see how he is any worse then all the people who go "Oh no we have nothing to discuss until EC/Leviathan/Omega" I actually can't really remember you contributing anything. So what now? Should I have called out "uh you don't contribute so get out!"?

[spotlessvoid]

Haha, you two are BITTER!

[Ithurael]

I would say Megumi and Estebanus are just trying to remind people to keep an open mind.

nothing wrong in that. IT or literalist, in the end they are both interpretations.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The roles have certainly NOT been reversed. You can accuse people of stooping to that level, but I've only met a few literalist who could engage in rational honest discussion. Where are you Epyon!?

And Estebanus, you have been spewing nothing but negativity and contribute nothing.

Yeah yeah, whatever. I don't see you do much else than say how you want the ending to be, and how right everybody is about everything.

Lol, sure thing buddy. A lot more people see you for who you are than you think. Watching you self destruct is hilarious.

Good for you, I suppose. 

[Davik Kang]

Guys guys cmon stop the bickering. Megumi and Estebanus are making fair points. There's a history of animosity which is clouding the issue.

Many people on these forums are close-minded, arrogant and unpleasant. They attack anything and everything, and it makes a lot of people, not just ITers, naturally defensive.

This means that when someone comes into a thread with an opposite view, it can often seem intentionally hostile. And sometimes it is. But not always.

Starlite was making a whole bunch of points at once. Many of them were about Destroy and foreshadowing. Maybe the post went a bit far in attacking people who don't like IT. There are a lot of people who use garbage logic and circular arguments to try to belittle those who put effort in to try to understand the ending.

But there are others who just disagree, There are also some who may not be that bright, but they don't deserve to be trashed and criticised. If I go see a film and I don't get it, that doesn't make me an idiot who needs to be put in my place. Otherwise everyone would be an idiot except those who understood every film or book or story. And I doubt such a person exists.

Imo, Starlite was making a good point but went a bit far. I don't support bashing people just because you think they're not as clever as you. In fact I abhore it. I think the hypocrisy came by accident, because it was a response to the real problem.

Imo, the real problem is the people who just love to hate without reason. Not synthesis people, not people who didn't like the ending, not people who didn't understand it. It's the people who come online just to mock people who don't agree with them.

Problems arise when we generalise people who don't disagree with us, because then we become that kind of person. If you generalise anti-enders, synthesists, non-ITers, etc. you will end up offending people and pissing people off that just don't deserve it.

In short - everyone in here is making some effort to understand the ending. There are no unreasonable people regularly posting in this thread. There's a bad feeling that permeates BSN but I hope we can avoid taking it out on each other.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 15 novembre 2012 - 08:10 .