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[Davik Kang]

@ Megumi & Batman

Relaaaaaaaax. You are on a beach. Listen to the waves gently crashing into the shore.

Then someone says "wake up". Dammit. It's that Kid again. And Harbinger's still there. Wtf

[BatmanTurian]

Davik Kang wrote...

@ Megumi & Batman

Relaaaaaaaax. You are on a beach. Listen to the waves gently crashing into the shore.

Then someone says "wake up". Dammit. It's that Kid again. And Harbinger's still there. Wtf

I'm being very polite, thank you. I'll go now, if it bothers others that my presence lingers.

[Humakt83]

Davik Kang wrote...

@ Megumi & Batman

Relaaaaaaaax. You are on a beach. Listen to the waves gently crashing into the shore.

Mordin is doing some tests on the seashells.

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Control of the Reapers could be taken away from Shepard. Then what?

At no point does Shepard even control the Reapers. An AI copy of Shepard does.

Even worse, but you get my point

[demersel]

Have any of you seen the movie Repo Men? The ending is the sandy beach, with waves gently crashing into shore.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, now that things have calmed down a bit, I think I might be able to come back. Now, can we all just find something fun to talk about? How about that ending? It was all deep and stuff. Any thoughts?

The ending seemed kinda off to me, personally. It was as if  I was kinda playing through a dream sequence...

You should start a thread about that!

You know what? I will!

[estebanus]

starlitegirlx wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Control of the Reapers could be taken away from Shepard. Then what?

At no point does Shepard even control the Reapers. An AI copy of Shepard does.

 If it is an AI copy, wouldn't it still be inferior to the reapers so could they be trusted to continue to allow this AI copy to control them?

I think the copy is at about the same technological advancement as the catalyst, and that one seemed to control the reapers all right.

[Restrider]

Does someone else smell tasty beef in this thread?
*Orders a Big King XXL triple beef with bacon*

[Rifneno]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

It needs to be pointed out that a lot of people seem to misunderstand the puzzle theory; the puzzle theory is based on additions in the form of DLC eventually turning the refuse option into a successful victory, NOT the destroy option.

Which is why I can't support the puzzle theory. Your friends and allies tell you to destroy, not to 'don't do anything if you're unsure'. Not to mention the fact that refuse wasn't one of the original endings.

That's what puzzle theory is? Lulz. I don't think they understand the difference in power between the two sides. We're not just a little bit short of a toe-to-toe victory, we're launching everything we've got at a small fraction of the Reapers' total forces and hoping that their suicidal assault will buy enough time (another hour or so?) for the suicidal assault on the ground to get the job done. A few more assets won't make any difference in a straight up fight.

[estebanus]

Restrider wrote...

Does someone else smell tasty beef in this thread?
*Orders a Big King XXL triple beef with bacon*

*Mouth starts watering profusely* 

Hey... You can't eat all that by yourself, can you?

[Restrider]

starlitegirlx wrote...

When my POV is supported by tons of in game information be it dialogue, symbolism, foreshadowing, and none of the other choices which are not my point of view have any in game support (as in control being the best choice or synthesis being the best choice - there is NO evidence to support those POVs.) Find me evidence that control is the best option. Find me evidence that synthesis is the best option. Find me evidence that IT is not possible. IN GAME. I have looked. I have found only that Thane's aim to control his son's destiny worked out better for his son and that Samara killing her daughter (a form of control) was the best. However, Samara was unhappy about having to make that choice. It left her with deep regret. I cannot find anything that supports synthesis. Please find me things and I am more than willing to look at them and seriously consider them. But do not say that I am ignoring things not fitting my POV because I have not seen anything or perhaps I missed those posts.

Also, a hypocrite is a person who does the opposite of what they say or do. I have been on the other side - a non ITer who chose control and stood by it. I learned about IT and examined the game and all information given and now I have strong enough evidence to support IT and destroy. That removes me from the hypocrite camp especially when I am saying show me evidence in game that supports control and/or synthesis. I will reconsider. I will examine it. Show me anything you've got. That alone removes me from being a hypocrite. However, I've yet to see one thing presented that does not fit my POV.

This is the only thing I can come up with that supports (kind of) synthesis.

[Restrider]

estebanus wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Does someone else smell tasty beef in this thread?
*Orders a Big King XXL triple beef with bacon*

*Mouth starts watering profusely* 

Hey... You can't eat all that by yourself, can you?

I've done that already a few times.
Yeah, those times when the BK in my town was having a renovation and all menus would be at a 50% discount, good times...

Modifié par Restrider, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:26 .

[IronSabbath88]

Assuming of course BK is real beef...

>.>

[Rifneno]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Assuming of course BK is real beef...

>.>

Or even actual meat.

[IronSabbath88]

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Assuming of course BK is real beef...

>.>

Or even actual meat.

Touche.

[Arashi08]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I'm still wondering if BW is running some kind of sociological study on its gamers. We're all test subjects. Those who see IT are the outliers, the minority, the ones that cannot be indoctrinated or can break free from it. Those who don't evolve into indoctrinated drones that don't think for themselves. They are the masses. Always have been. Always will be.

This sense of superiority isn't one bit better.

I'm glad someone finally said it...

[Restrider]

starlitegirlx wrote...


I'm saying that I think because I believe Gerrel's actions foreshadow destroy and then that whole series of missions ends with a fleet killing a reaper, I suspect we may not have seen the last bit because no reaper was killed yet since we left rannoch but most especially since london. And it's interesting that it took a fleet to take  down that reaper on rannoch. But on earth, no reaper is taken down. No reaper is even attacked. It's all about getting to the crucible. So if we use the rannoch series of events, that final part where the reaper is killed has yet to happen. I'm wondering if that's going to come into play in DLC at some point.

So I guess, yes, it's what I think is the first part of the final act IF my suspicions are correct.

Well, the end of ME2 was similar (to some extent). After passing the Omega-4-Relay, the Normandy destroys the Collector Vessel and then starts one of the most awesome missions of gaming history where you destroy the Collector Base in the end.

[Arashi08]

starlitegirlx wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I'm still wondering if BW is running some kind of sociological study on its gamers. We're all test subjects. Those who see IT are the outliers, the minority, the ones that cannot be indoctrinated or can break free from it. Those who don't evolve into indoctrinated drones that don't think for themselves. They are the masses. Always have been. Always will be.

This sense of superiority isn't one bit better.

It's not superiority if it's a fact. Look around you. The world is filled with automotons who just act and don't think. We're all indoctrinated to a myriad of beliefs. Some are far more dangerous than others. Some seem harmless but are destructive nevertheless. If you aren't aware of how various elements of  the world will use and manipulate you to their agends either for profit or power or whatever else they want, then you are a tool and at some point in life people should be able to figure it out. If not, they do lack the ability to see through the veil of lies that we are told and yet one by one these lies are peeled away like layers on an onion until the truth is seen. How many times does one have to see that to figure out the only true path is the one that is yours and follows nobody else's as laid out for you.

People either wake up and see what is happening or they don't. That is not superiority. It is not a sense of superiority. It is awareness and not taking things at face value or as they are told to you. It is having a mind of your own that you use to discover truth. You don't just accept something as truth because it was handed to you on a silver platter. You set out to discover truth, your truth or truth in general.

Label me or my words as you will. It is of little concern to me. I am awake. I am aware. Does that make me superior? No. It makes me awake, aware and able to discern what is a lie or manipulation from what is not.

But what have you done with your "awakeness?"  what good is being awake if we don't do anything with it?  I think what Megumi means is we shouldn't try and put ourselves on a pedestal on the others and call them "blind"  afterall, we don't know for sure anymore than they do so it is folly to assume we have the answers.  Though admittedly thinking we have all the answers is something humans just looooooove to do.

[Restrider]

SwobyJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

It needs to be pointed out that a lot of people seem to misunderstand the puzzle theory; the puzzle theory is based on additions in the form of DLC eventually turning the refuse option into a successful victory, NOT the destroy option.

Which is why I can't support the puzzle theory. Your friends and allies tell you to destroy, not to 'don't do anything if you're unsure'. Not to mention the fact that refuse wasn't one of the original endings.

I understand Puzzle Theory, but I don't believe it leads to a successful Refuse. It's the only part I disagree with Jade about. I think Refuse is the developers being passive-aggressive.

I can see that, yet at the same time, I see Refuse as them being passive-supportive as well. Refuse, as shown in the EC, bolsters certain IT-related ideas.

In fact, a lot of EC and Leviathan give me this feeling of Bioware going: "Alright, you're on the right track here, here's some more to keep you busy. Keep up the hard work!"

Refuse sheds a light on one of the most important characters of the series. On our beloved Doctor! Why was she the only one thinking outside-the-box and preparing a contingency plan?
Did I mention that I like the Doctor?

[Davik Kang]

Restrider wrote...
This is the only thing I can come up with that supports (kind of) synthesis.

I think there are a few otheer things, like quotes from Liara and EDI (usually focusing on the magnificence of future technology) but watching that video made me think...

The Reapers might consider themselves groundskeepers for the galaxy.  Pruning away at 'branches' of evolution that become too advanced.  Could be no coincedence that this guy likes the idea (in a half-joke kind of way).

It's been mentioned before I'm sure, but still interesting...

Modifié par Davik Kang, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Rifneno]

Arashi08 wrote...

But what have you done with your "awakeness?"  what good is being awake if we don't do anything with it?  I think what Megumi means is we shouldn't try and put ourselves on a pedestal on the others and call them "blind"  afterall, we don't know for sure anymore than they do so it is folly to assume we have the answers.  Though admittedly thinking we have all the answers is something humans just looooooove to do.

We don't have all of the answers.  The literalists seem to have none of the answers though.  Yes, they are blind.  There is too much to IT for it all to be "bad riting" and coincidences.  The writers may be misleading us, but they certainly intended for us to at least question if the ending was a Reaper mind game.  I don't have to think above average of us to think below average of litalists.