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[MegumiAzusa]

Arashi08 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I'm still wondering if BW is running some kind of sociological study on its gamers. We're all test subjects. Those who see IT are the outliers, the minority, the ones that cannot be indoctrinated or can break free from it. Those who don't evolve into indoctrinated drones that don't think for themselves. They are the masses. Always have been. Always will be.

This sense of superiority isn't one bit better.

I'm glad someone finally said it...

You see how that turned out.

[Rifneno]

Oh, and something I noticed that unfortunately lends credence to the "IT reveal will be ME4" train of thought. When talking about ME4, they keep saying that Shepard won't be returning. They never say the Reapers won't be returning (as antagonists). And in 3 out of 4 endings, they're still around even if you take the ending literally.

[Restrider]

Kyrene wrote...

Arguing amongst ourselves? How refreshing!

Perhaps I should PM Xil? Haven't seen him/her/it around this thread in a while, and it seems we could do with the distraction. Common enemy and all that, what.

I actually really like her (I assume Xil is a she) and do not consider her as an enemy.
Her honest need to rescue everyone/thing is admirable, but also shows that you cannot win/fight a war without losing your own honor and part of your soul.
She is really a great example for the horrors war can bring upon you (psychologically speaking).
I'd like to quote Javik for this post:
"Stand in the ashes of billions and ask their souls if honor matters. The silence will be their answer."

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh, and something I noticed that unfortunately lends credence to the "IT reveal will be ME4" train of thought. When talking about ME4, they keep saying that Shepard won't be returning. They never say the Reapers won't be returning (as antagonists). And in 3 out of 4 endings, they're still around even if you take the ending literally.

Avoidable if it takes place before the trilogy.

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Control of the Reapers could be taken away from Shepard. Then what?

At no point does Shepard even control the Reapers. An AI copy of Shepard does.

I'm not sure who it was (as usual), but someone said that Control may be possible.
To explain it with a quote of one of the most favourite ME character.
In this case, you are betting the galaxy's fate and that's a risk I wouldn't take, especially if you take the shadyness of the Starbrat in particular and the Reapers in gerenal into account.

[IronSabbath88]

Something I noticed recently about the EC that I figure is worth mentioning. Probably nothing significant and I might be missing something, but oh well, here it is.

What's the deal with Leviathan having some added stuff into the ending? Is that only with the Extended Cut downloaded aswell? Because if Leviathan added things to the ending does that mean that the Leviathan convos with the kid are part of the EC? In that case that would mean there's more content than we thought on the EC... which would explain the massive size. Who knows what that entails if anything, but I thought it was intriguing.

Something else I also thought about earlier. When Shep first gets up the beam and Anderson asks if he thinks they're building a Reaper in there... it oddly reminds me of the Collector Base. They were actually building a human proto reaper, were they not? Plus I did not see any indication that those humans were being processed.. not to mention Anderson's whole "it fits your description of the Collector Base" line. It's like Shep's being guided to think that.

[Eryri]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Oh, and something I noticed that unfortunately lends credence to the "IT reveal will be ME4" train of thought. When talking about ME4, they keep saying that Shepard won't be returning. They never say the Reapers won't be returning (as antagonists). And in 3 out of 4 endings, they're still around even if you take the ending literally.

Avoidable if it takes place before the trilogy.

I sincerely hope not. I would find it very hard to get excited about a prequel.

[Eryri]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Something I noticed recently about the EC that I figure is worth mentioning. Probably nothing significant and I might be missing something, but oh well, here it is.

What's the deal with Leviathan having some added stuff into the ending? Is that only with the Extended Cut downloaded aswell? Because if Leviathan added things to the ending does that mean that the Leviathan convos with the kid are part of the EC? In that case that would mean there's more content than we thought on the EC... which would explain the massive size. Who knows what that entails if anything, but I thought it was intriguing.

Something else I also thought about earlier. When Shep first gets up the beam and Anderson asks if he thinks they're building a Reaper in there... it oddly reminds me of the Collector Base. They were actually building a human proto reaper, were they not? Plus I did not see any indication that those humans were being processed.. not to mention Anderson's whole "it fits your description of the Collector Base" line. It's like Shep's being guided to think that.

I think Leviathan adds the extended Catalyst conversation even if you don't have the EC installed. From what I understand, Bioware are legally obliged to add that kind of redundancy, because they're not allowed to have separate pieces of DLC be dependent on each other.

[Restrider]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Assuming of course BK is real beef...

>.>

Or even actual meat.

Touche.

The 5€ beef steak barbecued medium and spiced with garlic butter is also an alternative. Accompanied with a tasty beer.

Modifié par Restrider, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[IronSabbath88]

Eryri wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Something I noticed recently about the EC that I figure is worth mentioning. Probably nothing significant and I might be missing something, but oh well, here it is.

What's the deal with Leviathan having some added stuff into the ending? Is that only with the Extended Cut downloaded aswell? Because if Leviathan added things to the ending does that mean that the Leviathan convos with the kid are part of the EC? In that case that would mean there's more content than we thought on the EC... which would explain the massive size. Who knows what that entails if anything, but I thought it was intriguing.

Something else I also thought about earlier. When Shep first gets up the beam and Anderson asks if he thinks they're building a Reaper in there... it oddly reminds me of the Collector Base. They were actually building a human proto reaper, were they not? Plus I did not see any indication that those humans were being processed.. not to mention Anderson's whole "it fits your description of the Collector Base" line. It's like Shep's being guided to think that.

I think Leviathan adds the extended Catalyst conversation even if you don't have the EC installed. From what I understand, Bioware are legally obliged to add that kind of redundancy, because they're not allowed to have separate pieces of DLC be dependent on each other.

Ah alright, I wasn't sure if that was the case since I haven't even downloaded either of them yet. xD

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Oh, and something I noticed that unfortunately lends credence to the "IT reveal will be ME4" train of thought. When talking about ME4, they keep saying that Shepard won't be returning. They never say the Reapers won't be returning (as antagonists). And in 3 out of 4 endings, they're still around even if you take the ending literally.

Avoidable if it takes place before the trilogy.

I hope they remember how much everyone loved the Star Wars prequels before they go down that dead end road.

[Arashi08]

Rifneno wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

But what have you done with your "awakeness?"  what good is being awake if we don't do anything with it?  I think what Megumi means is we shouldn't try and put ourselves on a pedestal on the others and call them "blind"  afterall, we don't know for sure anymore than they do so it is folly to assume we have the answers.  Though admittedly thinking we have all the answers is something humans just looooooove to do.

We don't have all of the answers.  The literalists seem to have none of the answers though.  Yes, they are blind.  There is too much to IT for it all to be "bad riting" and coincidences.  The writers may be misleading us, but they certainly intended for us to at least question if the ending was a Reaper mind game.  I don't have to think above average of us to think below average of litalists.

I agree with this mostly, especially the part about the writers wanting us to question the endings.  Possibly even question something about ourselves as we play it., but if it turns out we're wrong does that make us "blind" by the literalists' standards?  What I mean is how fair is it to say that we are making a factual argument and literalists aren't. 

Now I'm of course not talking about those people who rant and troll us or who don't even bother to even understand IT; they chose not to look into it and chose to be ignorant.  But not ALL literalists can be seen this way, as I'm sure at least some of them have tried to logically think this through and came to the conclusion that IT isn't what was going on. 

Now does this make them right? of course not.  But the same can be said of us.  Is it really fair to lump all literalists in the same category of "not understanding?"  for all we know some people did look at the evidence we presented and just disagreed.  Now to be fair, maybe the people who actually looked hard at the evidence and still ended up taking the endings literally are in the minority, I can't say, but they still exist.

long story short: I think the problem wasn't that we disagreed, it was that we seemed to be lumping all literalists together just like they would lump all ITers together.  I just don't think we should do that.  Now we can definitely say that compared to those trolling ones who just spew hate and ignorance and clearly didn't look deeper into it, we could say we obviously worked harder than they did and tried to look at things a different way, so ya we can think below average to them I suppose but I just don't want people to think we are just as bad, especially when some of the people I've met here have been some of the most thought-provoking and just plain fun to talk to.

Modifié par Arashi08, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[KyreneZA]

Restrider wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Arguing amongst ourselves? How refreshing!

Perhaps I should PM Xil? Haven't seen him/her/it around this thread in a while, and it seems we could do with the distraction. Common enemy and all that, what.

I actually really like her (I assume Xil is a she) and do not consider her as an enemy.
Her honest need to rescue everyone/thing is admirable, but also shows that you cannot win/fight a war without losing your own honor and part of your soul.
She is really a great example for the horrors war can bring upon you (psychologically speaking).
I'd like to quote Javik for this post:
"Stand in the ashes of billions and ask their souls if honor matters. The silence will be their answer."

I can tolerate her, but not her arguments (shallow as they sometimes are). And you missed the heavy sarcasm I tried to convey in that whole post.

[Eryri]

Just to fill time in before Omega, what other novels, films or games do you guys thinks might have inspired Bioware to produce this kind of ending and its themes?

The Matrix and Brave New World are obvious sources, particularly given Mac's notes.

I think TIM has a lot of parallels with Saruman in LotR. A once well intentioned, but now fallen character, corrupted by ambition and lust for a power he cannot hope to control.

[MaximizedAction]

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Ah alright, I wasn't sure if that was the case since I haven't even downloaded either of them yet. xD

Hey Iron!
Just noticed you're back! Welcome back!

[IronSabbath88]

I honestly don't think BioWare will confirm or deny anything until all the singleplayer DLC has been released and they're ready to move on from ME3. Until it's out of the picture completley, they'll continue to play into the speculations thing until they feel like talking openly about it.

[Arashi08]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I'm still wondering if BW is running some kind of sociological study on its gamers. We're all test subjects. Those who see IT are the outliers, the minority, the ones that cannot be indoctrinated or can break free from it. Those who don't evolve into indoctrinated drones that don't think for themselves. They are the masses. Always have been. Always will be.

This sense of superiority isn't one bit better.

I'm glad someone finally said it...

You see how that turned out.

I think it just got a little too personal at some point...

[IronSabbath88]

MaximizedAction wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Ah alright, I wasn't sure if that was the case since I haven't even downloaded either of them yet. xD

Hey Iron!
Just noticed you're back! Welcome back!

Thanks, I needed a break... the Extended Cut didn't do crap for me and instead of venting my anger I decided to take a very long hiatus.. needless to say I'm cautious about my optimism now, but I'm still holding hope.

[Eryri]

Restrider wrote...

The 5€ beef steak barbecued medium and spiced with garlic butter is also an alternative. Accompanied with a tasty beer.

Even continental Burger Kings are better than ours. God, British food is so embarassing.

[paxxton]

Eryri wrote...

Just to fill time in before Omega, what other novels, films or games do you guys thinks might have inspired Bioware to produce this kind of ending and its themes?

The Matrix and Brave New World are obvious sources, particularly given Mac's notes.

I think TIM has a lot of parallels with Saruman in LotR. A once well intentioned, but now fallen character, corrupted by ambition and lust for a power he cannot hope to control.

28 Days (after Synthesis, according to some).

Modifié par paxxton, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:20 .

[KyreneZA]

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...

The 5€ beef steak barbecued medium and spiced with garlic butter is also an alternative. Accompanied with a tasty beer.

Even continental Burger Kings are better than ours. God, British food is so embarassing.

Boiled tasteless and then add either Worchester or mint sauce for flavour? 

[Rifneno]

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...

The 5€ beef steak barbecued medium and spiced with garlic butter is also an alternative. Accompanied with a tasty beer.

Even continental Burger Kings are better than ours. God, British food is so embarassing.

You misspelled TV.

[Eryri]

Kyrene wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Restrider wrote...

The 5€ beef steak barbecued medium and spiced with garlic butter is also an alternative. Accompanied with a tasty beer.

Even continental Burger Kings are better than ours. God, British food is so embarassing.

Boiled tasteless and then add either Worchester or mint sauce for flavour? 

 Actually I exaggerate, we're not as bad as we used to be. Thanks to a seemingly endless parade of TV cooking shows trying to educate us, we now only boil half the green out of our vegetables!

[Dwailing]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I honestly don't think BioWare will confirm or deny anything until all the singleplayer DLC has been released and they're ready to move on from ME3. Until it's out of the picture completley, they'll continue to play into the speculations thing until they feel like talking openly about it.

This is pretty much how I feel.  The more I think about it, the more certain I become that we won't get true answers until they're done with ME3 DLC and actually start discussing details about ME4.  Casey is in charge of ME4 too, so I figure that whatever happens is all part of his plan, that he's had prepared since the beginning (At least of ME3.  I personally think that they've had this planned, most likely, since Arrival, maybe even since ME1, though I find that kind of doubtful.).

Edit: Wow, I'm on a role today!  Top again! 

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:32 .

[Eryri]

Rifneno wrote...

I hope they remember how much everyone loved the Star Wars prequels before they go down that dead end road.

Well the last one was... bearable. Sort of... I can sit through the whole thing, any way.

I'm struggling to think of any genuine prequels that have been good. The Hobbit will hopefully buck the trend, but that doesn't really count as that was written prior to LotR.

Modifié par Eryri, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:34 .