Dwailing wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
How are things, o thread?
I thought, since Leviathan should be coming out soon, I would bring up the topic of the Thorian again. Hopefully many of you have noticed the similarities between the Reapers and the Thorian from ME1:
Reapers: | Thorian:
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Indoctrination | Mind control spores
Harvest/corrupt species | Absorb/replicate species
Sentient synthetic/organic hybrid | Sentient organic
Ancient/Older than we can fathom | Ancient/At least older than the Protheans (100,000+)
Cephalopodic anatomy | Arguably cephalopodic anatomy
Hibernates for thousands of years | Can hibernate for thousands of years
(I apologize for the unorthodox format, but I was feeling creative)
Those are the relevant comparisons off the top of my head. Feel free to add more.
From the Leviathan leaks, I believe we learn there is reason to believe that the Reapers failed to exterminate all of their creators. Their creators, very likely, would have gone into hiding and become scattered. The predicament we find the Thorian in seems to be rather degrading for a creature of its stature. Maybe it was hiding. Who knows?
Does anyone think there is a chance we will find out the Reapers and Thorian are related in some way? I think it would be awesome, and I believe there is sufficient evidence to at least speculate about it. They seem to be similar, yet opposing, forces. They have a strong influence among organics around them. They both take advantage of the genetic makeup of organics, as well. The means, however, that they use to utilize organics are very different.
The Reapers lie to their servants and skew their reality. The Thorian chastises its servants in order to train them. The Reapers harvest and violate organic species by turning them into monstrous abominations as well as material to replicate themselves out of. The Thorian takes a specimen and replicates its DNA by cloning it, without harming the specimen (unless you hate the color green).
It seems like they both are driven to control and utilize organics. However, the Reapers permanently damage them in order to use them as resources, while the Thorian absorbs their essence without inflicting significant harm.
Thoughts, anyone?
It would be awesome if the Thorians turned out to be the Reapers' creators. That would show Star-Brat when he says we wouldn't know them.Also, apparently, the type of indoctrination used by Leviathan is different from what most Reapers use.
This is fascinating. I never considered it though I can't particularly imagine a thorian creating anything based on how it just sort of sat there and what it did create was crazy zombie like weird things. However, I could see there being a connection between the thorian if it were old enough and another race that studied it as well. Perhaps meant the reapers to be a form of VI that indoctrinated in a certain way to win wars or something for them. Or to create slaves to do their work. Any of a multitude of things, but the reapers became to smart just as the geth and perhaps their logical (illogical conclusion to us) was that this cycle must be done. The illogicalness of it could be based in their creators logic. Don't kill your enemy. harvest and use it as a slave or a warrior or something that is yours now and on your side rather than not. Clearly the civilization was advanced rather far along because despite how intellegent the reapers are, how far could they go entirely on their own beyond absorbing more and more information from each race they indoctrinated.
There are so many questions that really could have been answered along the way about the reapers and their creators. Maybe they were designed as ships that also worked as weapons in a variety of ways all of which we've seen. Having the huge reaper knowledge hole is big to me as I ponder it. We really know so little about this enemy and generally you learn something about your enemy somewhere in the story. But this one being so old made it easier to blow off that information because how would you get any information about it at all. Best we can do here is speculate. I doubt we'd get any answers though it would be nice. I don't imagine most players would bother unless it was great DLC because seems they only care to play and not learn. Kill and not look beyond the presented front.




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