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dorktainian wrote...

only ME3 i went for was Jenni Hale. Rest of them are pretty easy picks (not ME3)



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Attention all! Spike TV is starting the voting for the upcoming VGAs, ME3 is listed in numerous categories, here:

http://www.spike.com...ame-of-the-year


Voted ME3 and Halo 4 across the board, except Female VA because both were options. Went with Jen Taylor over Jennifer Hale.


Cortana's VA is ok, but you cant beat FemShep.

Also: FemShep was nominated but MaleShep wasnt. As it should be. :D

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

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I'm gonna still say it could be a post-'ending' *EXPANSION*, involving:
-maybe Audjutants
-Dragoons (as there will be Cerberus focus as well; hi TIM! You survived? Ohhhh....)
-maybe Rampart Mechs
-Collector units, possibly alongside Reaper units

In fact, if you put the Collectors beside the Reapers, and the new mech+Cerberus+Audjutants together, we basically have each of the main enemy factions (we can't count geth too much, I mean they only got 3 missions!) bolstered by at least HALF.

I can imagine we could see all of this together in an expansion, or at least a big DLC that's not just Omega...


While I would be absolutely delighted with this, I don't want to get my hopes up too much. Genuine expansions seem quite rare these days - apart from Sims ones which seem to come out every fortnight.


Depends how willing Bioware is to do a Mass Effect version of Dragon Age: Awakening.

If it's coming, we'll probably know by the end of the year, not by March, imo.


I'm a believer in this myself.

No Harbinger or Collectors in Omega, although the Dragoons, Adjutants and new mechs will clearly make an appearance.  I don't see it as anything other than Cerberus-centric.

But Harbinger and the Collectors... I cannot imagine that Bioware took the time to implement the Collectors into the ME3 game engine (and drastically overhaul them, for that matter) for MP alone.  Especially a free MP download.  They simply MUST be coming in single player at some point.

And - rampant speculation ahoy - there's that scene with Harbinger dropping down onto Firebase Dagger at the end of the Retaliation trailer.  That's not a CGI cutscene, unless my eyes decieve me.  That's an actual, rendered in-game model on an actual, rendered in-game map.


That's what it looked like to me as well. Just switch it to Rio and, well... Posted Image

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What's with some of you thinking ME3 shouldn't yet game of the year? Posted Image Hell, it should get game of the decade! Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

What's with some of you thinking ME3 shouldn't yet game of the year? Posted Image Hell, it should get game of the decade! Posted Image


Even if IT turns out to be true, and ME3 has a phenomenal story, it still isnt GOTY potential. Theres plenty wrong with it.

Plus my GOTY is Katawa Shoujo. You can argue about whether a visual novel counts as a game or not, but its my GOTY pick either way.

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

What's with some of you thinking ME3 shouldn't yet game of the year? Posted Image Hell, it should get game of the decade! Posted Image


Even if IT turns out to be true, and ME3 has a phenomenal story, it still isnt GOTY potential. Theres plenty wrong with it.

Plus my GOTY is Katawa Shoujo. You can argue about whether a visual novel counts as a game or not, but its my GOTY pick either way.


What's wrong with it? Compared to other games, that is.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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What's with some of you thinking ME3 shouldn't yet game of the year? Posted Image Hell, it should get game of the decade! Posted Image


Even if IT turns out to be true, and ME3 has a phenomenal story, it still isnt GOTY potential. Theres plenty wrong with it.

Plus my GOTY is Katawa Shoujo. You can argue about whether a visual novel counts as a game or not, but its my GOTY pick either way.


What's wrong with it? Compared to other games, that is.


Well, compared to ME2, the quest journal sucks, theres not as many choices, your choices dont actually have as much of an impact as they should, they wasted a lot of potentially cool things from ME2, I personally dont like how they removed my ability to talk to party members whenever I wanted aboard the Normandy, and they trivialized most of the ME2 romances.

Its a good game, dont get me wrong, and one of the best I've played this year. I suppose it is technically, of the choices I was given, the GOTY, but I just think it wasnt as good as ME2.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

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What's with some of you thinking ME3 shouldn't yet game of the year? Posted Image Hell, it should get game of the decade! Posted Image


Even if IT turns out to be true, and ME3 has a phenomenal story, it still isnt GOTY potential. Theres plenty wrong with it.

Plus my GOTY is Katawa Shoujo. You can argue about whether a visual novel counts as a game or not, but its my GOTY pick either way.


What's wrong with it? Compared to other games, that is.

I think it would be in the running mainly because this year has kind of sucked so far (also ME's surprisingly good multiplayer) but I think the gaming community that has labelled ME3 and moved on would have a fit if it got GOTY... Something like Dishonoured would probably take it. Personally I vote Dota 2, but I guess that's not technically out yet... :?

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

What's with some of you thinking ME3 shouldn't yet game of the year? Posted Image Hell, it should get game of the decade! Posted Image


Even if IT turns out to be true, and ME3 has a phenomenal story, it still isnt GOTY potential. Theres plenty wrong with it.

Plus my GOTY is Katawa Shoujo. You can argue about whether a visual novel counts as a game or not, but its my GOTY pick either way.


What's wrong with it? Compared to other games, that is.


Well, compared to ME2, the quest journal sucks, theres not as many choices, your choices dont actually have as much of an impact as they should, they wasted a lot of potentially cool things from ME2, I personally dont like how they removed my ability to talk to party members whenever I wanted aboard the Normandy, and they trivialized most of the ME2 romances.

Its a good game, dont get me wrong, and one of the best I've played this year. I suppose it is technically, of the choices I was given, the GOTY, but I just think it wasnt as good as ME2.


I find those to be minor, and I find not walking up to Joker and going "Commander?" "That's all for now." "See ya Commander" after every mission to be a huge improvement.

I'll give you the romance one though, that really bugs me. A lot. But since it's the only thing in the game I can think of that does, it's not the end of the world.

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The genius ending alone should make ME3 GOTY.

It takes gaming to a whole new level. Screw the fact that the journal isn't working properly. The ending is a revolution in gaming.

Of course I am one of the few who feels that way, even in here.

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Byne I see your point, but this isn't fun time anymore in ME3. This is War. Yes on the Citadel you get to talk/ Hang out with your squad members, but that's just about it. Garrus is trying to lead the Turians while fixing the Normandys guns once and a while.

Ash, and Kadin just don't feel like talking because there is nothing to say.

Liara is the Shadow broker now, which means she has less free time to talk. If you visit her she is mostly in her room on her network.

Tali is making sure the quarina fleets are doing okay because she is an admiral after all, and she is calabratin the Normandy enggiens.

Vega well let's be honest he is a new character like Javik, that just came in the last game, and let's be honest do we really have the time to get to really know Vega, yes and no.


Also people were for some reason kept getting anoud by the fact they kept clicking on the same chocies, so I guess Bioware heard, and they did just that.

Personaly I really didn't give a care, but Hey its war, and if you think about it again we got to know our squadmates from ME1- ME3.There is really not much to say. It's not like the old days were everything was so simply, and it was just you, the Normandy, it's crew, and your squad.

Now your squadmates are taking charge to help Shepard win the war with the Reapers.

I know that your going to say " No masster your wrong", but give it some thought.
I really don't know why Bioware did it, but again it's war, this isn't time for hey man how are you doin, and hey let's go help Aria with shiping some red sand off the Citadel. No we have to go help people that are dying, and trying to hold off Cerberus, and Reaper troops.

Heck even Shepard after Thessia is up tight, and I am sure our squadmates are upbeat to.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Of course I am one of the few who feels that way, even in here.


You shall not stand alone, DoomsdayDevice!

ME3's ending is metagaming gone nova.  It's taking the indoctrination we see in game and making it real.  I'm constantly amazed by the way it sets up the various interpretations, the hints, the clues, the cleverness of the dialogue contained within the game... it's almost surreal how it has managed to polarize the fan base.

ME3 certainly deserves to be up there in the nominations, it's certainly better than 9/10ths of the games that have been released this year.  However, ME2 didn't just win GOTY back in the day; it swept the awards, won practically everything there was to win.  That's an incredibly hard act to follow.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The genius ending alone should make ME3 GOTY.

It takes gaming to a whole new level. Screw the fact that the journal isn't working properly. The ending is a revolution in gaming.

Of course I am one of the few who feels that way, even in here.


I somewhat agree with your sentiment and perspective, but not in the ending's execution---unless it was BioWare's intention to scramble and divide their fan-base and leave it in disarray. 

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WTF? Mass Effect 3 isn't nominated for the best multiplayer?? )))))

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masster blaster wrote...

I really don't know why Bioware did it, but again it's war, this isn't time for hey man how are you doin, and hey let's go help Aria with shiping some red sand off the Citadel. No we have to go help people that are dying, and trying to hold off Cerberus, and Reaper troops.

Heck even Shepard after Thessia is up tight, and I am sure our squadmates are upbeat to.


So we fly halfway across the galaxy to find a book... because its war?

Modifié par AxStapleton, 16 novembre 2012 - 02:22 .


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@demersel: I agree, the multiplayer is freaking brilliant. It should be in there.

dreamgazer wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The genius ending alone should make ME3 GOTY.

It takes gaming to a whole new level. Screw the fact that the journal isn't working properly. The ending is a revolution in gaming.

Of course I am one of the few who feels that way, even in here.


I somewhat agree with your sentiment and perspective, but not in the ending's execution---unless it was BioWare's intention to scramble and divide their fan-base and leave it in disarray. 


I will probably sound really elitist when saying this, and I don't mean to, but I think they expected more people to 'get it'.

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Now what's really interesting that I have found out about Control ending is that. When Shepard drops his, or her gun the camera is looking right at the falling gun, then next thing you see is. Shepard puts his/her right hand on the first control panel, and slowly hesitats to put the other hand on the left panel.

Now when Shepard puts the left hand on the Control panels, Shepard is in a lot of pain. He/she is slowly being erased, and I just realized. When I watched Magnetta's video I look at the brat very closely, and I saw that the brat's face goes from a okay face to a slow smerk on his lips.

Oh and as I saw Shepard loose his/her grip on one of the rods, a reminder of Anderson, or Thane, or you LI reminds you don't give up, yet do you remember what Leviathan said

" you memorys give voice..." Hello Shepard's memorys of Anderson, Thane, and your LI are being used against Shepard. It's so simple.


You can say that yes in Destroy to, but not quite. You see when you look at Shepard drop the gun in Control, and Synthesis Shepard is commited to the Reapers, hence you lose Control of Shepard.

Now in refuse Shepard can no long go on, and in return Shepard has lost the will to fight. If you think about it refuse is believeing that everything is real, and Shepard can't wake up. Shepard can't detect that Shepard is being Indoctrinated, like everyone that was Indoctrinated became for hand.

So that leaves Destroy. Now Destroy is the one thing Shepard set out to do. It wasn't to Control the Reapers, nor was it to Synthesis everyone, or refuse to help the galaxy. No it was to kill the Reapers, and everyshot Shepard releases, Shepard begains to stand up straight. Defing the Reapers, and saying you don't scare me brat.

Though the one thing that just disproves all literal scenes is the Breath scene. The brat never once said to Shepard " You will live in Destroy, but the cycle will continue again." That's just it. How should the brat know what's going to happen in all the endings except refuse because he broke Shepard.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

@demersel: I agree, the multiplayer is freaking brilliant. It should be in there.

dreamgazer wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The genius ending alone should make ME3 GOTY.

It takes gaming to a whole new level. Screw the fact that the journal isn't working properly. The ending is a revolution in gaming.

Of course I am one of the few who feels that way, even in here.


I somewhat agree with your sentiment and perspective, but not in the ending's execution---unless it was BioWare's intention to scramble and divide their fan-base and leave it in disarray. 


I will probably sound really elitist when saying this, and I don't mean to, but I think they expected more people to 'get it'.


there really is nothing to 'get'

if i wanted red green blue i'd plant my face into an old crt monitor.

they can keep their 'art'

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Does anybody have a link to Magnetite's control video?

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Ax, depends did that book note help the war effort the code of the anceints actually gave people hope. Not really shure what book your talking about, but I have to go. All I know is mp marathon for ME3 this weekend.

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dreamgazer wrote...
I somewhat agree with your sentiment and perspective, but not in the ending's execution---unless it was BioWare's intention to scramble and divide their fan-base and leave it in disarray. 


I'm absolutely sure it was Bioware's intention to set the Mass Effect 3 fanbase ablaze with speculation.

I think they were rushed for time, however... I think they wanted to do more with the endings prior to launch, and I don't think they expected quite the backlash they recieved.  Maybe they gave the fanbase (overall) more credit than it deserves, maybe they expected people to think more about the endings and how they relate to the series as a whole than actually they did.  Either way, the EC was pretty much a panic button.

But overall, they will have wanted people talking about ME3 and discussing the implications of the final decision right up until ME4 is released on the next gen systems.  It's looking like they'll succeed.

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It is really sad that people don't realize that the ending could have been a single line of text, and still be a great ending. It is not the different cinematics that make an ending. It is the context. You had 3 full games 100 hours each worth of context - it really could have been a single line of text, and the same one for each choice - But the context would be extremely different. Hence the RGB.

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I agree, no GOTY for ME3. Too buggy and jenky, for starters, even after repeated patching.

Black Ops II will probably take it, even though its the same bloody game again.

Heck, I think Diablo III had potential for GOTY. If they sorted some of the dodgy voice acting and lengthened the game and removed all the checkpoint limitations...

If I could pick an expansion, Mists of Pandaria would be GOTY.

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The RGB is for a reason. It is meant to convey the idea of the 'Reaper Matrix', the virtual reality. The computer-generated illusion of the endings.

Yes, I believe destroy is an illusion too.

I even believe the destroy choice is a trap.

"The outcome is inevitable. They will succumb and ascend... or they will be annihilated."

Your mind will be destroyed when you don't want to pick control or synthesis, because you are of no use to the Reapers. But it is also the choice that refuses to go along with them, that is why it's the choice that breaks indoctrination. The reason Shepard only wakes up in high EMS is because of high willpower or maybe because she has enough war assets to protect her body from being destroyed by Harbinger.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 16 novembre 2012 - 02:45 .


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Promotion of BSN Census again.