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[MaximizedAction]

BatmanTurian wrote...

AlexKavern wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

AlexKavern wrote...

 "The mouth guard is one of the few adult gestures that is as obvious as a child's. The hand covers the mouth and the thumb is pressed against the cheek as the brain sub-consciously instructs it to try and suppress the deceitful words that are being said. Sometimes this gesture may only be several fingers over the mouth or even a closed fist, but its meaning remains the same.Many people try to disguise the mouth guard gesture by giving a fake cough.If the person who is speaking uses this gesture, it indicates that he is telling a lie (goto 1 link). If, however, he covers his mouth while you are speaking, it indicates that he feels you are lying! (goto 2 link)"

Look at Hackett:
http://www.youtube.c...C_NISH28#t=601s
And at Shepard:
http://www.youtube.c...C_NISH28#t=721s

There's clearly something odd...

I think in this instance, the body language is clearly someone paying attention and trying to think about the details. I don't see any deception. I mark it down as contemplation. They are similar gestures. If they were being interrogated, then that might be a different story. The context is important.

Maybe. But for me, Shepard's reaction is more like doubt. Especially in the context of conventional victory. Maybe it's because I disagree with all this "we can't beat them conventionally" crap 

doubt can suggest contemplation. There, Shepard says nothing, so he has no deceiving words to hide.

No, what he meant in Shepard's instance is when the listener thinks that the other speaking person is lying.

And as for the part I bolded: This is awesome! You think that she isn't saying what you think is true, therefore Shepard showing this gesture fits only naturally as he is supposed to be your in-game avatar.

And it all comes together. Love it.

Although I'm not sure about the Hackett part. People often use the hand-to-chin gesture when thinking. I always thought he was always using it when thinking out loud. Of course, maybe that's wrong but...it's good to have different interpretations.

[BatmanTurian]

MaximizedAction wrote...

No, what he meant in Shepard's instance is when the listener thinks that the other speaking person is lying.

And as for the part I bolded: This is awesome! You think that she isn't saying what you think is true, therefore Shepard showing this gesture fits only naturally as he is supposed to be your in-game avatar.

And it all comes together. Love it.

Although I'm not sure about the Hackett part. People often use the hand-to-chin gesture when thinking. I always thought he was always using it when thinking out loud. Of course, maybe that's wrong but...it's good to have different interpretations.

I see... well it's up for interpretation I guess. We can't possibly know exactly what Shepard is thinking.

[Dwailing]

Well, so far, my poll has revealed that around 66% of the Paragons who voted chose Destroy, and that, once you factor in Paragades (I didn't give a Renegon category, because I figured Paragade was good enough.), I'm guessing that, if I assume that around 50% of the people who voted Paragade are more Paragon than Renegade, Destroy would be considered by most to be the more Paragon of the four endings.

Edit: I make the assumption about Paragades because the amount of people who voted Renegade is VERY small.  It would seem that most people lean Paragon, even if they aren't full Paragon.

Modifié par Dwailing, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:20 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Restrider wrote...

magnetite wrote...


Personally I believe Mass Effect 3's ending is kind of like Inception. Not only the way it presents, but as some people found out, it will take multiple playthroughs to pick up on it. As with Inception, it took multiple viewings in order to understand what was going on.

Is that so? I understood the movie at the first time (not of course every nifty foreshadowing), but people told me it was complicated. Don't know.
On the other hand, when I am in the cinema with friends watching a movie, I can usually predict what is going to happen, if it is a mainstream movie (even the shocking twists).

Much the same with me. Inception I understood immediately, but my father even after two viewings dosent quite get it yet.

Just watched the Sherlock holmes movie, worked out each of the killings pretty much exactly long before the end.

Same thing with alot of games, like Kingdom Hearts 2 where I worked out who DiZ was long before the end as well as In Dream. Drop. Distance where I figured out much of the evil plan before it was revealed in the final act.

It has kinda become a hobby of mine to always analyze what happens in an effort to guess what comes next. It is so much fun when you get it right.

[BatmanTurian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

magnetite wrote...


Personally I believe Mass Effect 3's ending is kind of like Inception. Not only the way it presents, but as some people found out, it will take multiple playthroughs to pick up on it. As with Inception, it took multiple viewings in order to understand what was going on.

Is that so? I understood the movie at the first time (not of course every nifty foreshadowing), but people told me it was complicated. Don't know.
On the other hand, when I am in the cinema with friends watching a movie, I can usually predict what is going to happen, if it is a mainstream movie (even the shocking twists).

Much the same with me. Inception I understood immediately, but my father even after two viewings dosent quite get it yet.

Just watched the Sherlock holmes movie, worked out each of the killings pretty much exactly long before the end.

Same thing with alot of games, like Kingdom Hearts 2 where I worked out who DiZ was long before the end as well as In Dream. Drop. Distance where I figured out much of the evil plan before it was revealed in the final act.

It has kinda become a hobby of mine to always analyze what happens in an effort to guess what comes next. It is so much fun when you get it right.

Take him to Cloud Atlas... see how that pans out.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:27 .

[Arashi08]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Protheans fought for centuries. I didn't expect the Reapers to go down easy when I heard Javik say that even if this cycle's situation is different.

Vigil told us that all the way back in ME1.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

But that seems like saying that IT isn't true without a reveal. Don't get me wrong, I would like a reveal, but I don't understand why people cannot accept it being true without word of god, so to speak.

The ending is brilliant. It is only stupid when interpreting it literally, IMO.

IT isn't canon until they do a reveal. And the ending is utter trash until they do.

Plans change. Simple as that. If I were a writer, and I could think of a way to flesh out the story in a way that is so much better than I first had in mind, I'd go for it, even if it meant there would be one more game than I planned. Shouldn't we be happy with more story? I know I am.

Riiiiiight. "Fleshing out the story". I'm sure the money had nothing to do with it. Just a happy coincidence.

I think you both have good points.  On the one hand, I like the endings, even a little bit in the literal sense noe, because of what I interpreted as what BioWare was trying to accomplish with them, which was basically for players to examine their own morality (just my interpretation, may not have been BW's).  However, they didn't do it right AFAIC, and there ARE examples of it being done better such as in the Persona 3 (though not quite the same theme.)  And I also don't like the idea of ME4 and how it feels like a cash cow.  Sorta like these new Star Wars movies.  I think a trilogy should have been where it stopped.  Ultimately when you put money before quality then the product suffers.  If they are generally passionate about continuing the story of Mass Effect that'd be one thing, but this whole situation reeks of a "give me all ur moneyz!" mentality.

Modifié par Arashi08, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:33 .

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...

OMG!
We totally missed that page 1890 was the first 945x2 anniversary!

NO!  There is no 945.  SCP-945-BSN does not exist.  If it did exist, it would be a Memetic, Keter level threat, capable of causing a XK-class End of the World scenario.  But it does not exist, so that is not a concern. :whistle:

The worst part about page 945 is that I am actually familiar with the song paxxton was referencing, so if I had been there, I could have put a stop to it on page 944.

[401 Kill]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...
OMG!
We totally missed that page 1890 was the first 945x2 anniversary!

NO!  There is no 945.  SCP-945-BSN does not exist.  If it did exist, it would be a Memetic, Keter level threat, capable of causing a XK-class End of the World scenario.  But it does not exist, so that is not a concern. :whistle:

The worst part about page 945 is that I am actually familiar with the song paxxton was referencing, so if I had been there, I could have put a stop to it on page 944.

Shoulda Woulda Coulda.

[Restrider]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

magnetite wrote...


Personally I believe Mass Effect 3's ending is kind of like Inception. Not only the way it presents, but as some people found out, it will take multiple playthroughs to pick up on it. As with Inception, it took multiple viewings in order to understand what was going on.

Is that so? I understood the movie at the first time (not of course every nifty foreshadowing), but people told me it was complicated. Don't know.
On the other hand, when I am in the cinema with friends watching a movie, I can usually predict what is going to happen, if it is a mainstream movie (even the shocking twists).

Much the same with me. Inception I understood immediately, but my father even after two viewings dosent quite get it yet.

Just watched the Sherlock holmes movie, worked out each of the killings pretty much exactly long before the end.

Same thing with alot of games, like Kingdom Hearts 2 where I worked out who DiZ was long before the end as well as In Dream. Drop. Distance where I figured out much of the evil plan before it was revealed in the final act.

It has kinda become a hobby of mine to always analyze what happens in an effort to guess what comes next. It is so much fun when you get it right.

Another example I figured out was Battlestar Galactica (Spoilers ahead, you have been warned!):

It was in the first season were Helo and Athena were making out the first time on Caprica, were I realized that they tried to create some kind of human/cylon hybrid.

END OF SPOILERs
I mentioned that to a colleague of mine, who looked at me and asked me if I had already read something about that series. As it turns out, I was (kind of) right with my assumption, yet the conclusion was poorly handled and disappointing for me (but that's a whole other story).

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...

OMG!
We totally missed that page 1890 was the first 945x2 anniversary!

NO!  There is no 945.  SCP-945-BSN does not exist.  If it did exist, it would be a Memetic, Keter level threat, capable of causing a XK-class End of the World scenario.  But it does not exist, so that is not a concern. :whistle:

The worst part about page 945 is that I am actually familiar with the song paxxton was referencing, so if I had been there, I could have put a stop to it on page 944.

Then you failed at your job as moderator in this thread. You should be ashamed that you let such unthinkable atrocities happen, although you would have been able to stop it.

EDIT: To bring up the Burger discussion a few pages ago on top again:

http://pics.nase-boh....jpg/1353109210

I just had to post it.

Modifié par Restrider, 16 novembre 2012 - 11:41 .

[Rifneno]

Davik Kang wrote...

Fair enough. Would be boring if we all agreed on everything. As for milking the cash cow, I think they'd be crazy not to, though how they'll make future ME games sufficiently different from the current terilogy remains to be seen. Maybe they won't bother; maybe they'll decide that the Shepard saga was only the beginning of the fight against the Reapers. Only time will tell.

Worked out well for Robert Jordon.

His fans though, not so much. BTW, remember that one series where they ****d the storyline out to go a lot more than originally intended to milk it, but in the end the quality never paid the price for it? Video game, book, movie, whatever? ... Yeah, me neither.

[IronSabbath88]

Deep down I still think Shepard is the Catalyst.

They never didn't say the Catalyst couldn't be the person who needs to actually manually activate the damn thing.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Restrider wrote...

OMG!
We totally missed that page 1890 was the first 945x2 anniversary!

Shame. I was in MP and missed it. But we can still celebrate by refreshing good memories.
Page 945 Anniversary Link

EDIT: Page 945 does exist. It's not a fake.

Oh, I've already celebrated it when you were top on this page...
God, that page is so pointless:O. Btw, has anyone seen Raven recently?

Having fun and laughs isn't pointless. It's crucial for human well-being.

No, I haven't seen Raven lately. Perhaps, he's busy studying, as are a few other ITists.

EDIT: I hope everyone involved in the creation of Page 945 had as good a time as I did.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 novembre 2012 - 12:07 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Arashi08 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Protheans fought for centuries. I didn't expect the Reapers to go down easy when I heard Javik say that even if this cycle's situation is different.

Vigil told us that all the way back in ME1.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

But that seems like saying that IT isn't true without a reveal. Don't get me wrong, I would like a reveal, but I don't understand why people cannot accept it being true without word of god, so to speak.

The ending is brilliant. It is only stupid when interpreting it literally, IMO.

IT isn't canon until they do a reveal. And the ending is utter trash until they do.

Plans change. Simple as that. If I were a writer, and I could think of a way to flesh out the story in a way that is so much better than I first had in mind, I'd go for it, even if it meant there would be one more game than I planned. Shouldn't we be happy with more story? I know I am.

Riiiiiight. "Fleshing out the story". I'm sure the money had nothing to do with it. Just a happy coincidence.

I think you both have good points.  On the one hand, I like the endings, even a little bit in the literal sense noe, because of what I interpreted as what BioWare was trying to accomplish with them, which was basically for players to examine their own morality (just my interpretation, may not have been BW's).  However, they didn't do it right AFAIC, and there ARE examples of it being done better such as in the Persona 3 (though not quite the same theme.)  And I also don't like the idea of ME4 and how it feels like a cash cow.  Sorta like these new Star Wars movies.  I think a trilogy should have been where it stopped.  Ultimately when you put money before quality then the product suffers.  If they are generally passionate about continuing the story of Mass Effect that'd be one thing, but this whole situation reeks of a "give me all ur moneyz!" mentality.

Your point is well taken, but I'll pass judgement on that when we actually have an idea what they're doing.

[Restrider]

Promotion! BSN Census. I am out for today, and I guess I'll miss the 1900 celebratios.

[Rifneno]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Your point is well taken, but I'll pass judgement on that when we actually have an idea what they're doing.

They've past their alloted "benefit of the doubt" time as far as I'm concerned.

[DoomsdayDevice]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

AlexKavern wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

AlexKavern wrote...

 "The mouth guard is one of the few adult gestures that is as obvious as a child's. The hand covers the mouth and the thumb is pressed against the cheek as the brain sub-consciously instructs it to try and suppress the deceitful words that are being said. Sometimes this gesture may only be several fingers over the mouth or even a closed fist, but its meaning remains the same.Many people try to disguise the mouth guard gesture by giving a fake cough.If the person who is speaking uses this gesture, it indicates that he is telling a lie (goto 1 link). If, however, he covers his mouth while you are speaking, it indicates that he feels you are lying! (goto 2 link)"

Look at Hackett:
http://www.youtube.c...C_NISH28#t=601s
And at Shepard:
http://www.youtube.c...C_NISH28#t=721s

There's clearly something odd...

I think in this instance, the body language is clearly someone paying attention and trying to think about the details. I don't see any deception. I mark it down as contemplation. They are similar gestures. If they were being interrogated, then that might be a different story. The context is important.

Maybe. But for me, Shepard's reaction is more like doubt. Especially in the context of conventional victory. Maybe it's because I disagree with all this "we can't beat them conventionally" crap 

doubt can suggest contemplation. There, Shepard says nothing, so he has no deceiving words to hide.

No, what he meant in Shepard's instance is when the listener thinks that the other speaking person is lying.

And as for the part I bolded: This is awesome! You think that she isn't saying what you think is true, therefore Shepard showing this gesture fits only naturally as he is supposed to be your in-game avatar.

And it all comes together. Love it.

Although I'm not sure about the Hackett part. People often use the hand-to-chin gesture when thinking. I always thought he was always using it when thinking out loud. Of course, maybe that's wrong but...it's good to have different interpretations.

I don't think the Hackett thing means anything.

The Shepard chin rub when Liara mentions the impossibility of a conventional victory seems to speak volumes. If it turns out we're going to have to beat the Reapers conventionally, this will be such a cool moment on a replay.

I love it. It doesn't prove anything, but if it turns out to be meaningful... wow.

Good find!

[DoomsdayDevice]

Rifneno wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Your point is well taken, but I'll pass judgement on that when we actually have an idea what they're doing.

They've past their alloted "benefit of the doubt" time as far as I'm concerned.

You'll have to at least wait until the end of the DLC cycle for this one, I'm afraid.

But you just know they're going somewhere with this.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it's just a huge PR scam, and we're getting one more story about the Shepard after all. Imagine the waves it would cause if IT was right all along.

[Dwailing]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Deep down I still think Shepard is the Catalyst.

They never didn't say the Catalyst couldn't be the person who needs to actually manually activate the damn thing.

If Shep is the Catalyst, then, at least by the actual definition of catalyst, Destroy would have to be the only legit ending, since that's the only ending Shepard can actually avoid being changed by.

[IronSabbath88]

Dwailing wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Deep down I still think Shepard is the Catalyst.

They never didn't say the Catalyst couldn't be the person who needs to actually manually activate the damn thing.

If Shep is the Catalyst, then, at least by the actual definition of catalyst, Destroy would have to be the only legit ending, since that's the only ending Shepard can actually avoid being changed by.

True enough. I don't know though.

Modifié par IronSabbath88, 17 novembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[paxxton]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Deep down I still think Shepard is the Catalyst.

They never didn't say the Catalyst couldn't be the person who needs to actually manually activate the damn thing.

If Shep is the Catalyst, then, at least by the actual definition of catalyst, Destroy would have to be the only legit ending, since that's the only ending Shepard can actually avoid being changed by.

True enough. I don't know though.

Yeah, if you consider a figurative meaning of "catalyst", that might actually work. But that would be a rather radical departure from a literal nature of the stories in ME1 and ME2.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Yeah, it kind of would make sense, but I would hate it if Shepard was 'magically special'. Sure, (s)he's special, in the charismatic kind of way, but I certainly hope it's not another supernatural "chosen one" thing.

What I think about the Reapers' procreation is that they absorb the essence of a species in some kind of way. They're looking for unique genetic qualities that will give each new Reaper unique abilities.

I think the Reaper AI harvested the Leviathans because he wanted to harness their genetic ability to enthrall organics. What the power of humans/Shepard could be, I don't know... the ultimate charismatic warrior?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 17 novembre 2012 - 12:20 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

I still think:

- Leviathans enthralled organic races
- Organics built machines to rebel against Leviathans (who could only control organics)
- Leviathans create AI to control machines too
- AI wants to harness the power of Leviathans, so it can control both organics and synthetics
- AI uses the controlled machines to harvest Leviathans
- AI builds first true Reaper, a synthesis of Leviathan essence and machine, known as Harbinger
- AI installs himself into this first Reaper so it can control both organics and synthetics

So, Reaper AI = Harbinger = the one to "establish a connection" between synthetics and organics.

[IronSabbath88]

No one says the Catalyst needs to be "special" but considering no other race was able to build the Crucible, they wouldn't even know that the Catalyst just needs to be an organic.

*shrugs* It was just a silly thought I had a long time ago.