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If you ask me, the ringing sounds in Firebase Vancouver can be easily heard.

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Trololololol. Someone at Bioware has a sense of humour, at least.

A very subtle one at that. I like it.

In reference to what?

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Andromidius wrote...

Trololololol. Someone at Bioware has a sense of humour, at least.

A very subtle one at that. I like it.


Indeed. My point exaclty. And I like it too. 

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 From the wiki on Panchaea!
- [color=rgb(255,255,255)">Panchaea ]mechanical augmentations[/color][color=rgb(255,255,255)">, ]Hugh Darrow[/color], to stem the advance of global warming. The Arctic installation is almost operational, and at least four are being built around the world - one in the Indian ocean, the south Pacific, the Caribbean Sea, and one off the coast of Brazil.


deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Panchaea


Holy crap, this just keeps getting better. Looking at the map in the article, the one of the coast of Brazil is almost certainly beside Rio! Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image Also, if I read the page right, it's actually some kind of Mass Accelerator or something?

??????????? That is a different game.

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Hmm, then I don't have any ideas Posted Image


Well the thing that I'm thinking right now is that we have firebase Rio - giant installation on water, and Firebase Hydra - giant installation on water. We don't really know the perpose of either. and what else has ties with water in ME universe? For some reason Leviathans come to mind.  


I'm almost 100% sure FB Hydra is just a cut part of the Geth Fighter Squadrons mission; the Geth Consensus mission. If you look at the cutscene it has a very unnatural break to it, like there was going to be whole combat section before you go inside, you even pop in a new heat sink even though you never fired you gun. That and the map looks like Rannoch and there are Geth fighters and VR Pods all over. There's also the unused tram that goes to the door into the dam.

It seems likely they cut it from SP to emphasize the Geth Consensus part.

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What the heck is wrong with that thread? The one BT posted. You see people are going over to the Reapers side. Their way of thinking. The Reapers are the good guys, and it makes the whole ME1_ ME3 stupid?????

It seems that there is only a few ME players left that understand that the ending is a hallucination. The ending want us to not fight anymore. Let everyone die in refuse. Don't wake up at all. I mean come on.

Destroy is the only ending were you fight, refuse is more like Shepard quit, but gets a big fat F. Bioware is like " why do people want to refuse the brat? Destroying the Reapers wakes Shepard up, but since they want it I guess so."

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paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

demersel wrote...

 From the wiki on Panchaea!
- [color=rgb(255,255,255)">Panchaea ]mechanical augmentations[/color][color=rgb(255,255,255)">, ]Hugh Darrow[/color], to stem the advance of global warming. The Arctic installation is almost operational, and at least four are being built around the world - one in the Indian ocean, the south Pacific, the Caribbean Sea, and one off the coast of Brazil.


deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Panchaea


Holy crap, this just keeps getting better. Looking at the map in the article, the one of the coast of Brazil is almost certainly beside Rio! Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image Also, if I read the page right, it's actually some kind of Mass Accelerator or something?

??????????? That is a different game.


Right, and we're comparing two very, very similar things about them.

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Something else I was going to mention about that misdirection thing a few pages back. It doesn't relate to IT, but it does to how the ending was presented. Basically in this clip John Travolta says something about certain endings don't work because audiences love happy endings, as well as somethings don't push the envelope.

Mass Effect 3's ending I would say pushes the envelope, because it's not something that we've seen a lot in gaming. As something to not only trick Shepard into getting indoctrinated, but the player as well.

Plus some other things.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

demersel wrote...

 From the wiki on Panchaea!
- [color=rgb(255,255,255)">Panchaea ]mechanical augmentations[/color][color=rgb(255,255,255)">, ]Hugh Darrow[/color], to stem the advance of global warming. The Arctic installation is almost operational, and at least four are being built around the world - one in the Indian ocean, the south Pacific, the Caribbean Sea, and one off the coast of Brazil.


deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Panchaea


Holy crap, this just keeps getting better. Looking at the map in the article, the one of the coast of Brazil is almost certainly beside Rio! Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image Also, if I read the page right, it's actually some kind of Mass Accelerator or something?

??????????? That is a different game.


Right, and we're comparing two very, very similar things about them.

Could you explain? I'm only human.

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 Just playing eletania in mass effect 1. i'm always interested by what it says, especially the part that is bolded



"Examining the strange Prothean artifact reveals a small, irregular slot on the underside of the surface. Remembering the strange trinket you received from the asari Consort on the Citadel, you pull it out and place it in the slot. The ball explodes in a brilliant flash of white light, momentarily blinding you and disorienting you.

Slowly your senses return as you wake from a deep sleep. You are alone in the forest, though you are not far from the caves you share with the others in your tribe. There is a pain and a small lump in the back of your skull, as if a chip of flint has been forced under the surface of the skin.
Leaning on your bone-tipped spear for support, you rise to your feet. A sound draws your attention upwards, where a strange creature hovers high above you. It is unlike the birds you hunt by the lake's edge – it has no head and no wings yet somehow it flies. It is a beast of shining silver; hanging motionless in the sky like a cloud. You sense it is watching you, studying you.
Raising a hairy fist, you shake your spear at it in anger and the creature rises up quickly until it disappears from view. With a satisfied grunt you make your way back to your caves and the rest of the tribe.
You fall into the familiar patterns of life – the hunt for food, the struggle to claim and keep a mate, the battles against the other tribes that would claim your territory. Days roll into nights and back into days. Each time you rise from sleep there is the sensation that you are not alone; that some "other" is with you sharing all you see, hear and feel. At these times your hand goes to the strange lump at the back of your skull and you remember the silver creature from the sky.
The air grows colder, winter falls. You must range farther for food, clutching the furs tight against you to ward off the chill. It is on one of these long hunts that the strange bird returns. You hear it before you see it, its call a deafening roar as it descends from above, swooping down on you. A single great eye opens on the underbelly, a glowing red orb. You try to run, but a finger of red light extends from the eye and engulfs you, and all goes black again.
You wake an instant later to find yourself on Eletania lying on your back, the Prothean artifact looming above you undamaged and your companions standing over you. They help you to your feet, puzzled. "There was a flash of light and you just sort of toppled over," one explains. "Are you okay, Shepard?" the other asks. You don't answer right away, wondering at the implications of what you have seen: the memories of a Cro-Magnon hunter, captured by an implanted Prothean data recorder. How long did they study the primitive humans, observing them and analyzing the results at their base on Mars? And what, if anything, did they learn from us?
"I'm fine," you finally reply, realizing that this is a mystery you will probably never solve. "Forget about it."

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BleedingUranium wrote...


I'm almost 100% sure FB Hydra is just a cut part of the Geth Fighter Squadrons mission


Oh, I'm sure that is exaclty what it is. No doubt. I'm just saying. :whistle: 

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magnetite wrote...

Something else I was going to mention about that misdirection thing a few pages back. It doesn't relate to IT, but it does to how the ending was presented. Basically in this clip John Travolta says something about certain endings don't work because audiences love happy endings, as well as somethings don't push the envelope.

Mass Effect 3's ending I would say pushes the envelope, because it's not something that we've seen a lot in gaming. As something to not only trick Shepard into getting indoctrinated, but the player as well.

Plus some other things.


Fascinating! Very relevant because IT would both push the envelop and be a happy ending (or could be, this is Mass Effect). Posted Image



paxxton wrote...

Could you explain? I'm only human.


We're talking about how the Rio installation looks nearly identical to one in Deus Ex: HR, the details are on the bottom of the last page. Posted Image



shadoww6021 wrote...

Just playing eletania in mass effect 1. i'm always interested by what it says, especially the part that is bolded

*snip*


I always thought that the Protheans had implanted him with some form of recording device, but I dunno. The thing that kills him is definitely a Reaper though: deafening roar and glowing finger of red from its underbelly? Yeah.



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I'm almost 100% sure FB Hydra is just a cut part of the Geth Fighter Squadrons mission


Oh, I'm sure that is exaclty what it is. No doubt. I'm just saying. Posted Image


Fair enough, I'm never sure who knows what here, so much to know Posted Image

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@Paxxton- If you are referring to "They will succumb and ascend, or be annihilated.", I can't put my finger on what Shepard says that is similar.

May I have a hint?

"Only now do I fully understand the full extent (...)" Posted Image


Its something from the control speech, but I dont know where, sorry. I have never watched the control speech, so I am not familiar to any of its lines.

Posted Image Click on the banner in my sig and enjoy the best of the endings to ME3.

Im sorry it took me so long to respond, what is that line?


I refuse to watch the Control and Synthesis endings, so...

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401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
@Paxxton- If you are referring to "They will succumb and ascend, or be annihilated.", I can't put my finger on what Shepard says that is similar.

May I have a hint?

"Only now do I fully understand the full extent (...)" Posted Image


Its something from the control speech, but I dont know where, sorry. I have never watched the control speech, so I am not familiar to any of its lines.

Posted Image Click on the banner in my sig and enjoy the best of the endings to ME3.

Im sorry it took me so long to respond, what is that line?


I refuse to watch the Control and Synthesis endings, so...

*sigh*

Harbinger says that his enemies will understand the full extent of blah blah and Shepard in Control says that he now understands the full extent of blah blah blah. More or less they both use the same words.

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Ah, thank you. Shepard sounds like Harbinger, Harbinger sounds like Shepard. We can only tell the difference because their voices sound different. The Catalyst has three voices, one of which is the voice of your Shepard.

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Ah, thank you. Shepard sounds like Harbinger, Harbinger sounds like Shepard. We can only tell the difference because their voices sound different. The Catalyst has three voices, one of which is the voice of your Shepard.


Someone who's good with such things should replace Starbinger's model with Shepard's, and remove Starbinger's and OtherShep's voices!

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What the heck is wrong with that thread? The one BT posted. You see people are going over to the Reapers side. Their way of thinking. The Reapers are the good guys, and it makes the whole ME1_ ME3 stupid?????

It seems that there is only a few ME players left that understand that the ending is a hallucination. The ending want us to not fight anymore. Let everyone die in refuse. Don't wake up at all. I mean come on.

Destroy is the only ending were you fight, refuse is more like Shepard quit, but gets a big fat F. Bioware is like " why do people want to refuse the brat? Destroying the Reapers wakes Shepard up, but since they want it I guess so."


Yep, the reapers are now the good guys and apparently we just don't understand that we need to be harvested every 50k to keep the natural order of things or whatever loopy BS things they've got going through their minds. Anyone who has sympathy for the reapers should be harvested. That's the natural order as far as I see it.

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masster blaster wrote...

What the heck is wrong with that thread? The one BT posted. You see people are going over to the Reapers side. Their way of thinking. The Reapers are the good guys, and it makes the whole ME1_ ME3 stupid?????

It seems that there is only a few ME players left that understand that the ending is a hallucination. The ending want us to not fight anymore. Let everyone die in refuse. Don't wake up at all. I mean come on.

Destroy is the only ending were you fight, refuse is more like Shepard quit, but gets a big fat F. Bioware is like " why do people want to refuse the brat? Destroying the Reapers wakes Shepard up, but since they want it I guess so."


Yep, the reapers are now the good guys and apparently we just don't understand that we need to be harvested every 50k to keep the natural order of things or whatever loopy BS things they've got going through their minds. Anyone who has sympathy for the reapers should be harvested. That's the natural order as far as I see it.


Or thrown out the nearest airlock Posted Image

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Fascinating! Very relevant because IT would both push the envelop and be a happy ending (or could be, this is Mass Effect). Posted Image


There was a quote from one of the devs several months ago on Bioware's twitter stating:

"There are no happy endings because nothing ends. Name that movie".

I'll have to find out who said it.

Ah, here we gp

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Ah, thank you. Shepard sounds like Harbinger, Harbinger sounds like Shepard. We can only tell the difference because their voices sound different. The Catalyst has three voices, one of which is the voice of your Shepard.


Someone who's good with such things should replace Starbinger's model with Shepard's, and remove Starbinger's and OtherShep's voices!


Actually, you'd only need to remove the voices that aren't the shepard you're playing and invert the coloring so you see the brat is oily yellow. Anyone who paid the slightest bit of attention should recognize that the oily yellow is an indoctrination attempt and hearing the shepard voice playing in the video as the child should change perspective a lot. What would be most interesting is if someone videoed the whole thing as it is changed so you can remove  each voice (like in CSI how they would show it) until you have only the one shepard and then invert the color so you see the dark oily yellow child and shepard is now the figure of light - perhaps the catalyst - the person who has driven everything forward when nobody else would.

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Fascinating! Very relevant because IT would both push the envelop and be a happy ending (or could be, this is Mass Effect). Posted Image


There was a quote from one of the devs several months ago on Bioware's twitter stating:

"There are no happy endings because nothing ends. Name that movie".

I'll have to find out who said it.

Ah, here we gp


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Fascinating! Very relevant because IT would both push the envelop and be a happy ending (or could be, this is Mass Effect). Posted Image


There was a quote from one of the devs several months ago on Bioware's twitter stating:

"There are no happy endings because nothing ends. Name that movie".

I'll have to find out who said it.

Ah, here we gp


Yes, there are only happy moments along a journey filled with happy and unhappy moments. It depends on where you stop the story as far as the ending you get.

That is actually pretty recent from either a movie or TV show. Might even be buddhist as well.

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I personally believe that any DLC from now until the final DLC sometime next year will just expand on the ending a bit (little with EC, and some more with Leviathan), and the final DLC for Mass Effect 3 will wrap up the trilogy with one big conclusion.

Edit: Although, sadly, I don't think it will be free. It might be, because people would probably go nuts if they had to pay for the conclusion to the trilogy.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
Fascinating! Very relevant because IT would both push the envelop and be a happy ending (or could be, this is Mass Effect). Posted Image


There was a quote from one of the devs several months ago on Bioware's twitter stating:

"There are no happy endings because nothing ends. Name that movie".

I'll have to find out who said it.

Ah, here we gp


Yes, there are only happy moments along a journey filled with happy and unhappy moments. It depends on where you stop the story as far as the ending you get.

That is actually pretty recent from either a movie or TV show. Might even be buddhist as well.


That's not how I took it. I read it as meaning "There are no happy endings because there isn't an ending yet".

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I'm wondering if the point of IT will be no ending change to further the impact of the themes and choices. Frankly put, how the hell were they ever going to beat the reapers when especially they didn't even prepare with a three year warning, which even then, would be highly unlikely unless we're talking some kind of miracle weapon in the crucible.

The themes center around controlling things you shouldn't which lead to disaster and changing things you shouldn't which lead to disaster.

We've got a situation here where the themes lead us straight toward an end where we are fighting a foe that is unbeatable by all accounts. There are things in this life that are beyond our control and there are things in this life that cannot be changed. No matter how hard we struggle, fight, endure, those things will always be. It's not a happy ending but it is befitting the themes. You can do everything right and in the end, none of those choices matter. It's a horrible lesson to learn, but it's the way the world works. Certainly not a hero's journey or what you would expect from the end of a hero's journey, but sometimes the hero doesn't win. It doesn't make them less of a hero for trying. It's just life and how it goes.