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[paxxton]

@FellishBeast: It might suggest that The Thorians were organic counterparts to the Reapers.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 11:39 .

[paxxton]

Hmm...

[Simon_Says]

Other possibility: the Thorian is a stillborn reaper, not one of the reaper creators or reaper prototypes.

[TSA_383]

byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Post ending dlc...don't change endings.

Ending DLC would be like Suicide Mission DLC.

We don't want Suicide Mission DLC. We want another Arrival DLC.

It's like that.

Speaking of the suicide mission, wouldnt it have been awesome if we could have assigned party members to do certain things during Priority: Earth?

Like, sending Garrus with some of the marines that are supposed to be watching your sides so they dont have to fall back when you're guarding the missiles, and depending on who you sent, less enemies show up. Stuff like that.

That alone would have made it more awesome.
Thing is, the indoctriantion thing, it's very clever... was ME3 the sort of game that needed a "very clever" sort of plot? ME2 was pretty satisfying despite it never really extending beyond "go places and kill ****" and I still find the last mission of ME2 more satisfying than anything about ME3's ending as it stands...

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

I believe it was I who pointed that out. Honestly, I'm not nearly as concerned as everyone else about Chris's comment. He contradicted himself mid-comment, and it's not like BioWare has the best track record when it comes to honesty.

[Salient Archer]

The Thorian is an interesting subject that I feel some might be glossing over too quickly. I personally jumped onto the wiki to get myself back up to speed and I think there's some interesting similarities to the Reapers, or rather, I find it interesting that they chose it to have similarities.

Honestly think about it. Why would they spend their creative energies on creating such a clear analogue to the Reapers if they never intended for it to lead somewhere? Yes, the Thorian served its purpose in giving Shepard the cipher, so from a plot development perspective it achieves its goal. But surly the writers had thought of other just as convincing and interesting means in which to achieve this. But they chose the Thorian, essentially another clear indoctrinationalist.

Let's say for a moment that the Thorian doesn't have anything to do with what Fellish is prescribing but rather is just another story in the ME universe that's related to mind control. Keeping with this theme we see a solid trend in all 3 ME games that control and manipulation is no means to an end (not ethically anyway). We see it in the Thorian, The Rachni, The Geth, The Genophage, Cerberus, Project Overlord, The Reapers, ETC... All of these tragic stories tell one central theme: That the freedom to act in controlling one's own destiny is greatest victory.

"We can't predict how people will act. But you can control how you respond. In the end that's what really matters." -Commander Shepard

[TJBartlemus]

starlitegirlx wrote...

You all want to write your own ending now? That's going to take a hefty bit of time and energy. Plus there are copyright infringements to consider. Might want to not go in that direction.

Really currently all we are doing is messing with an idea. Besides, wouldn't it be fun to make a ME style game the way you want it?  Then you can't complain if it doesn't meet expectations.

[I_eat_unicorns]

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

[Dwailing]

Salient Archer wrote...

The Thorian is an interesting subject that I feel some might be glossing over too quickly. I personally jumped onto the wiki to get myself back up to speed and I think there's some interesting similarities to the Reapers, or rather, I find it interesting that they chose it to have similarities.

Honestly think about it. Why would they spend their creative energies on creating such a clear analogue to the Reapers if they never intended for it to lead somewhere? Yes, the Thorian served its purpose in giving Shepard the cipher, so from a plot development perspective it achieves its goal. But surly the writers had thought of other just as convincing and interesting means in which to achieve this. But they chose the Thorian, essentially another clear indoctrinationalist.

Let's say for a moment that the Thorian doesn't have anything to do with what Fellish is prescribing but rather is just another story in the ME universe that's related to mind control. Keeping with this theme we see a solid trend in all 3 ME games that control and manipulation is no means to an end (not ethically anyway). We see it in the Thorian, The Rachni, The Geth, The Genophage, Cerberus, Project Overlord, The Reapers, ETC... All of these tragic stories tell one central theme: That the freedom to act in controlling one's own destiny is greatest victory.

"We can't predict how people will act. But you can control how you respond. In the end that's what really matters." -Commander Shepard

What's interesting is that they gloss over the business on Feros completely in the Mass Effect: Genesis comic on the PS3.  I wonder why...

[TJBartlemus]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 

[masster blaster]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

Shut up. does it really matter if it was. We have a plan, if IT is disproven, but what's your plan. Continue to insalt Bioware and people who believe in there theorys, or Conventional victory.

Some way to pass time on the BSN.

Besides like I already said if they wanted to kill IT, they should have done it in it's early stages, but now it's too late because they know now if they deni IT a lot of fans would be pissed, and if they comfirm IT a lot of fans will be pissed of, but more leaning to hear about IT.

Either way from What Chris says I call BS, because he said that Shepard could be on the Citadel. I really don't see that in the EC, and where is your prof because I don't have prof that IT is right, and nor do you have prof that IT is wrong.

So why do you still come on the IT thread. Are you a person that does not know what to think about ME, anymore, or are you looking for answers as much as we are.


This exchange is over.

Modifié par masster blaster, 05 août 2012 - 12:21 .

[I_eat_unicorns]

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

[I_eat_unicorns]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

it should've been enough for you literalists to admit you're wrong. but look at you guys, still roaming the threads without a care for anybody elses opinions. So cute

Huh? literalists? how are "we" wrong? This is a discussion forum, if someone comes to argue against the IT, be prepared to defend yourself with logic and support, not flame. If you can't do that, then why bother posting? 

[Dwailing]

How's THIS for an interesting quote from BioWare. Mike posted a response to a guy on Twitter. The exchange went something like this:

Guy who shall remain anonymous: "well that's disappointing, considering we know the reapers already ridiculous origin thanks to the absurd extended cut"

Michael Gamble: "actually you don't know the half of it "

These are the exact words of each. Here's the link so you know I'm not BSing anyone: https://twitter.com/...464994594758656

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

Shut up. does it really matter if it was. We have a plan, if IT is disproven, but what's your plan. Continue to insalt Bioware and people who believe in there theorys, or Conventional victory.

Some way to pass time on the BSN.

Besides like I already said if they wanted to kill IT, they should have done it in it's early stages, but now it's too late because they know now if they deni IT a lot of fans would be pissed, and if they comfirm IT a lot of fans will be pissed of, but more leaning to hear about IT.

Either way from What Chris says I call BS, because he said that Shepard could be on the Citadel. I really don't see that in the EC, and where is your prof because I don't have prof that IT is right, and nor do you have prof that IT is wrong.

So why do you still come on the IT thread. Are you a person that does not know what to think about ME, anymore, or are you looking for answers as much as we are.


This exchange is over.

I hope you'll all agree with me that the IT thread wouldn't be the same without masster blaster. *high five*

[Dwailing]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

And how do you KNOW that ME's writers do not intend IT?  Do you work for them?  Have you talked to one of them and had them tell you that IT is false?  Because I'm certain that you wouldn't make such a powerful assertion without some mighty powerful proof to back up your mouth.

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

Shut up. does it really matter if it was. We have a plan, if IT is disproven, but what's your plan. Continue to insalt Bioware and people who believe in there theorys, or Conventional victory.

Some way to pass time on the BSN.

Besides like I already said if they wanted to kill IT, they should have done it in it's early stages, but now it's too late because they know now if they deni IT a lot of fans would be pissed, and if they comfirm IT a lot of fans will be pissed of, but more leaning to hear about IT.

Either way from What Chris says I call BS, because he said that Shepard could be on the Citadel. I really don't see that in the EC, and where is your prof because I don't have prof that IT is right, and nor do you have prof that IT is wrong.

So why do you still come on the IT thread. Are you a person that does not know what to think about ME, anymore, or are you looking for answers as much as we are.


This exchange is over.

I hope you'll all agree with me that the IT thread wouldn't be the same without masster blaster. *high five*

accepted.