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[BleedingUranium]

Happy page 1911 everyone!

[BleedingUranium]

magnetite wrote...

Something else I found out as of a couple months ago:

TSA_383 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Also, in the Final Hours app, the chapter they talk about the ending is called "The Perfect Illusion". Can't be just a coincidence.



This.
I first saw that a couple of months ago, and I still regard it as evidence for our case here.
I'd be curious to know how much the guy who wrote the final hours app knows...



Wait, they actually referred to The Ending as "The Perfect Illusion"?

WHY THE HELL WASN'T I TOLD?

We might as well call it here. IT is confirmed.

It's from the previous thread.

They were a lot less subtle at first. For the first month or so after launch they were dropping hints everywhere, then abruptly stopped. It's like they wanted IT to get itself going, then removed the training wheels when we had

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

magnetite wrote...

Something else I found out as of a couple months ago:

TSA_383 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Also, in the Final Hours app, the chapter they talk about the ending is called "The Perfect Illusion". Can't be just a coincidence.



This.
I first saw that a couple of months ago, and I still regard it as evidence for our case here.
I'd be curious to know how much the guy who wrote the final hours app knows...



Wait, they actually referred to The Ending as "The Perfect Illusion"?

WHY THE HELL WASN'T I TOLD?

We might as well call it here. IT is confirmed.

It's from the previous thread.

"The Perfect Illusion"  eh? Well that pretty much goes against any litteral interpretation of the ending since under a litteral interpretation there is nothing Illusinary over the ending.

[MWMike2011]

magnetite wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...
I agree. I wasn't pissed off by the ending, just disappointed. It didn't make a whole lot of sense, but after hanging around the forums and watching Acavayos' video, it started falling together. I still want the devs to release the DLC to confirm it, though...

I wouldn't get our hopes up. If they don't release a confirmation DLC, that doesn't make it not true and that we're all just supposed to believe the ending from a literal sense. I mean Shepard is showing every single symptom not to mention all the evidence that we found. Thing is by relying on the devs to tell us what is true, and what isn't, that's indoctrination.

You might want to watch this video. It's very interesting. Doesn't relate to Mass Effect, but it does have to do with indoctrination in general.

No, if they don't release confirmation DLC, it doesn't necessarily make it not true. The fact that they have let this entire thread go on for a combined 6000+ pages proves that there is at least a very real possibility that it holds merit. That said, though, I would at least like to see it validated. If it isn't and they continue making incredible DLC like they have been doing, I will most likely get ME4 when it is released. To me, it is real. Shepard was in the ending stages of being indoctrinated. When my John Shepard shot the **** out of that terminal and put an end to the Reapers, he walk up, dusted himself off, shot a husk square in the forehead, and gave Harbinger the finger right as Normandy shot the killshot to end him. The combined, assembled fleet beats the bejesus out of the fleet.

I have to believe, though, that they are really planning something to show your assets in use. I mean, come on. They SURELY weren't going to make you go through 40+ hours, not to mention all that multiplayer, just for it to mean nothing. I flat out refuse to believe that. And, sense they did design this game with the mass market in mind, I whole heartedly believe that they are planning on showing the true ending in a paid DLC.

[MWMike2011]

magnetite wrote...

Gotta say though, it's the most mind blowing ending twist I've ever seen in all my years of gaming. It'll go down as the greatest video game ending ever created, at least for me.

Agreed. From the company that brought you YOU ARE REVAN!, comes the BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! 

[BleedingUranium]

MWMike2011 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Gotta say though, it's the most mind blowing ending twist I've ever seen in all my years of gaming. It'll go down as the greatest video game ending ever created, at least for me.

Agreed. From the company that brought you YOU ARE REVAN!, comes the BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! 

Someone who knows the list of all the twists and deceptions BioWare has done over the years should post it again. I believe, without IT, Mass Effect would be the only series without one.

magnetite wrote...

Gotta say though, it's the most mind blowing ending twist I've ever seen in all my years of gaming. It'll go down as the greatest video game ending ever created, at least for me.

Agreed! Though, all my years only go back to 2007

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 18 novembre 2012 - 08:53 .

[MWMike2011]

BleedingUranium wrote...



Someone who knows the list of all the twists and deceptions BioWare has done over the years should post it again. I believe, without IT, Mass Effect would be the only series without one.

Did Dragon Age: Origins have one? I can't remember, been far too long since I played through the whole thing. And never played Baldur's Gate...

[CmdrShep80]

I'm willing to predict that BioWare will release a dlc on 4/11. Here's why:

Shepard was born 4/11
Shepard enlisted 4/11

Wouldn't it be interesting if they released a Shepard dlc on that day?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MWMike2011 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...



Someone who knows the list of all the twists and deceptions BioWare has done over the years should post it again. I believe, without IT, Mass Effect would be the only series without one.

Did Dragon Age: Origins have one? I can't remember, been far too long since I played through the whole thing. And never played Baldur's Gate...

Ill have a go at this as I have played or know of quite a few Bioware games. Oh and obviusly heavy spoilers here, proceed at own risk.

Baldurs Gate 1: Sarevok is your half-brother and you are both Bhaalspawn.

Neverwinter Nights: No idea, I must admit.

Jade Empire: Throughout the game you repeadedly hear from other characters you fight how your style seems to have a flaw, though they are unable to exploit it as they cant quite find it. They dismiss it as a clever trick in your style drawing in the opponent to strike where no flaw exists...that is until your mentor reveals his true colors as the true villian of the game and using his knowledge of your style and its flaw easily kills you.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: Revan, nuff said.

Dragon Age: Origin: Perhaps not a twist per see, but Teyrn Loghains betrayal at the start of the game actually took me by suprise. A better example might be the reveal that a Grey Warden must die to kill the Archdemon.

Mass Effect 1: Sovereign is not a ship, it is a Reaper.

Mass Effect 2: Reapers are made from somekind of DNA paste made from breaking down Organics and the Collectors were Protheans.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 18 novembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[MWMike2011]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...



Someone who knows the list of all the twists and deceptions BioWare has done over the years should post it again. I believe, without IT, Mass Effect would be the only series without one.

Did Dragon Age: Origins have one? I can't remember, been far too long since I played through the whole thing. And never played Baldur's Gate...

Ill have a go at this as I have played or know of quite a few Bioware games. Oh and obviusly heavy spoilers here, proceed at own risk.

Baldurs Gate 1: Sarevok is your half-brother and you are both Bhaalspawn.

Neverwinter Nights: No idea, I must admit.

Jade Empire: Throughout the game you repeadedly hear from other characters you fight how your style seems to have a flaw, though they are unable to exploit it as they cant quite find it. They dismiss it as a clever trick in your style drawing in the opponent to strike where no flaw exists...that is until your mentor reveals his true colors as the true villian of the series and using his knowledge of your style and its flaw easily kills you.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: Revan, nuff said.

Dragon Age: Origin: Perhaps not a twist per see, but Teyrn Loghains betrayal at the start of the game actually took me by suprise. A better example might be the reveal that a Grey Warden must die to kill the Archdemon.

Mass Effect 1: Sovereign is not a ship, it is a Reaper.

Mass Effect 2: Reapers are made from somekind of DNA paste made from breaking down Organics and the Collectors were Protheans.

Neverwinter Nights: Aribeth was working for Morag the whole time. Not to mention her boyfriend and his boss started the plague in act I. 

[MWMike2011]

The fact that Bioware was the developer on that is a surprise to me. I now understand why I love that game, too. Lol

[Gwyphon]

We just have to stay at this page for 4 and a half hours and we'll be at page 1911 on the 19th of November!

[BleedingUranium]

I believe in an expansion for NWN the final boss fight was in an illusion, and if you chose wrong the credits rolled, but if you saw through the illusion you broke free and actaully fought him.

Someone should know it better than I, but I think that's the most important one.

[BleedingUranium]

magnetite wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Agreed! Though, all my years only go back to 2007

Endings are quite complex today. Back when I was growing up this was considered a traditional ending. Very simple by today's standards.

Ack, double post. Sorry.

Hahaha

I'm off to bed now, see you all tomorrow!

[demersel]

cavs25 wrote...

I love this theory but I have some questions for you guys: (They probably have been answered before)
These are things that bother me when I think about IT.
1. Why does Harbinger give you a choice to break free from indoctrination?
Why doesn't he just put you on an endless loop?
Is it Shepard's will creating the option in his mind?

2. Why doesn't Shepard wake up immediately after breaking indoctrination? (Choosing destroy)

3.Completely random: Whats up with leviathans obvious eye shifting when is asked about the crucible? He knows something he isn't sharing, but what?
Does he know is a trap?
But if he did why wouldn't he tell Shepard
No reason why the leviathans would want the reapers to succeed with the harvest..

I know the guys here alreay covered it, but still, I'll pitch in.

1. The thing about indoctrination most people actually forget is that it doesn't really make you do anything. Like Leviathan's entrallment or the spores of the thorian. It just makes you suggestions, and suddenly you come to interesting conclusions - those you wouldn't even think about before. 
The reason why there is a choice to break free from indoctrination is because, belive it or not - IT IS ACTUALLY YOUR MIND. I mean it is yours - you own it - you can do anything you like! And every action you take - it is the action you choose to take. You point a gun, you pull the trigger. You choose to shot your friend and allie in the back. It is not like someone made you shoot mordin. Or Ashley, Or Wrex.  It just for some reason may seem like a think to do at the moment, and not always it will be because of the reapers. It is deffinitly Shepard;s will that is creating this option. Stephen King wrote a novel - Dreamcather - and there one character get's trapped inside a tiny room inside his own brain, while his body and the rest of his brain is highjacked by an alien. Spoilers ahead. You know how he beat him, and got that alien purged out of his brain? He just realized that he's in the small tiny room, and the alien is in control of the rest of his brain because he's scared - and the room his in can be as big as he want's it to be. And in fact it is not he, who is locked out of the rest of his brain, but really the alien, and the allien is in control only because he' himself is scared and just want to hide in a small tiny safe room. Then he makes this room bigger, and it get's reversed - the room is everything his brain is, and everything outside the door becomes just a tiny broom closet - it represents the small damaged part of his brain affected by the alien infection. 

2. Who  says that the breath scene is not a part of thedream where you go for 1 second "Hey, it seems i'm dreaming and actually am asleep"? Besides we don't know what the actual trigger is for start of hallucination - Before EC we assumed that it was harbingers beam that knocks you out. Not with the EC it is defiinatly at some point earlier - i would go with the mako transport falling on shepard during the beam run - You can see this exact moment in the very end of ME3 special edition trailer for WiiU. Or it could be when the transport with all your crew crashes suddenly right before the beam run. 

3. Leviathans are not our friends or allies - they are playing their own game.  
But the suddenly decide to come out of fighting, and fight the reaper openly after a brief conversation with one man... One very specific man... and it was the conversation where they contacted his mind directly... Let's just entertain one idea - Shepard is getting slowly indoctrinated during the course of all three games due to exposure to reapr tech. This process is especially strong and evident in ME3. Reapers certainly did something to Shepard in Arrival. And we don't know what it was. In ME3 you suddenly don't have to fight for loyalties of people - everyone will most likely do what you tell them....
So Shepard's mind is tainted with indoctrination. Leviathan's touch that mind with their own. Suddenly they decide to fight openly. They got indoctrinated from touching Shepard's mind directly, if only a small bit. 
Shepard is like patient zero - running around the galaxy, and spreading the desease - then everyone decides that it is a great idea to get into one big fleet and go exaclty where the reapers what you to go - Earth. 

[Eryri]

MWMike2011 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...



Someone who knows the list of all the twists and deceptions BioWare has done over the years should post it again. I believe, without IT, Mass Effect would be the only series without one.

Did Dragon Age: Origins have one? I can't remember, been far too long since I played through the whole thing. And never played Baldur's Gate...

Ill have a go at this as I have played or know of quite a few Bioware games. Oh and obviusly heavy spoilers here, proceed at own risk.

Baldurs Gate 1: Sarevok is your half-brother and you are both Bhaalspawn.

Neverwinter Nights: No idea, I must admit.

Jade Empire: Throughout the game you repeadedly hear from other characters you fight how your style seems to have a flaw, though they are unable to exploit it as they cant quite find it. They dismiss it as a clever trick in your style drawing in the opponent to strike where no flaw exists...that is until your mentor reveals his true colors as the true villian of the series and using his knowledge of your style and its flaw easily kills you.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: Revan, nuff said.

Dragon Age: Origin: Perhaps not a twist per see, but Teyrn Loghains betrayal at the start of the game actually took me by suprise. A better example might be the reveal that a Grey Warden must die to kill the Archdemon.

Mass Effect 1: Sovereign is not a ship, it is a Reaper.

Mass Effect 2: Reapers are made from somekind of DNA paste made from breaking down Organics and the Collectors were Protheans.

Neverwinter Nights: Aribeth was working for Morag the whole time. Not to mention her boyfriend and his boss started the plague in act I. 

I've written spoilers in grey text below. Highlight to show it


To continue the twist theme - in Baldur's  Gate 2, Irenicus doesn't reveal that he is trying to steal your soul until half way through the game, and one of your party members has been working for him the whole time.

During the expansion Throne of Bhaal - a benevolent priest who offers help at the beginning of the story, turns out to be the big bad.

Bioware has serious form with this sort of thing.

EDIT: God, formatting colours is temperamental on this site!

Modifié par Eryri, 18 novembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[JMDekker2]

Gwyphon wrote...

We just have to stay at this page for 4 and a half hours and we'll be at page 1911 on the 19th of November!

In Australia at least...though that's really all that matters 

[Gwyphon]

JMDekker2 wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

We just have to stay at this page for 4 and a half hours and we'll be at page 1911 on the 19th of November!

In Australia at least...though that's really all that matters 

Damn straight! Hey you're from Brisvegas too! How about that weather? 

Why can't the next 9 days go faster...