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[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...
MB, try to play through Priority: Earth, with the notion that both Anderson and Coats are indoctrinated and already sold you out ot the reapers - Try seeing them not as allies, but as tritors and co-conspirators - you'll be surprised how well it clicks in. 

Well, it's not like we're out drinking with Anderson and Coats and playing a few rounds of bowling. There are few if no measurable traces of love, friendship or even hope in the air during London. It all feels very awkward, sterile and disconnected from everything.
Today, in retrospect, compared to the missions before that, it felt very simulated. And it was all so dark and odd and depressingly blue-gray that it caught up with all NPCs, to the point where I can't even say for sure that all other players besides my Shepard were even real at all.

Maybe I'm biased by IT, but today I can say that this Priority:London was one of the most depressing pieces of gameplay I've ever played.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 novembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[demersel]

starlitegirlx wrote...

I did that and the most I got was how bad an idea the beam run seemed. What specifically did I miss?

The fact that Anderson and Coats mostly talk between themselves,  The fact that they are sabotaging Hammer forces on the meet up point. THe fact that they don't care about anything but bringing Shepard to the beam - when aderson says just hold out as long as you can, and you get a promt "survive" - when defending the missiles - he sounds almost glad and certainly content, but when you report back that you took down the destroyer - he is veru irritated. The fact that he says we need to move and makes the iviting movement with his pistol as if leading the charge, but not charging with you. 

[demersel]

MaximizedAction wrote...

demersel wrote...
MB, try to play through Priority: Earth, with the notion that both Anderson and Coats are indoctrinated and already sold you out ot the reapers - Try seeing them not as allies, but as tritors and co-conspirators - you'll be surprised how well it clicks in. 

Well, it's not like we're out drinking with Anderson and Coats and playing a few rounds of bowling. There are few if no measurable traces of love, friendship or even hope in the air during London. It all feels very awkward, sterile and disconnected from everything.
Today, in retrospect, compared to the missions before that, it felt very simulated. And it was all so dark and odd and depressingly blue-gray that it caught up with all NPCs, to the point where I can't even say for sure that all other players besides my Shepard were even real at all.

Maybe I'm biased by IT, but today I can say that this Priority:London was one of the most depressing pieces of gameplay I've ever played.

That it is. What really bothers me is an ubrupt fade to black at Cronos - it just ends very suddenly. And it is the point when things start to get weird. And the phrase of Illusive man  - don't overstay your welcome - there is after all a reaper just outside of his office, with the whole floor of his office lined up with reaper cables coming directly from it - What if it is affecting all our squad? and kai leng was there just to keep us there the time needed for the illusion to take in? For all we know we can still be at cronos, while it is getting destroyed by the sword fleet. 

[demersel]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Age is definitely a factor. Teenagers tend to not have fully developed analytical skills, lack patience, and also, there are social factors such as peer pressure which influence their allegiances. They will be more likely to conform to popular opinion than hold their own opinion, even online it seems that peer pressure and even cliques still take over. A person might believe in IT or be open to it but if popular opinion puts them in the minority, even in an online venune where you would think it would matter less, they seem to still trend toward majority rule. Considering that the majority of ME players are probably teenagers or early twenties with some preteens, odds do not favor understanding of IT or acceptance of it.

Just admit it, you enjoy the notion of being an oppressed minority.  A sole voice of reason in a sea of mediocricy and stupidity. 

[Dwailing]

Huh, I had a thought about Priority: Earth. Remember how that one shuttle gets shot down by a Hades cannon, but your shuttle doesn't? What if your shuttle DID get shot down by the cannon? I mean, it seems odd that the cannon wouldn't have hit your shuttle, given how close it was to the other shuttle.

Edit: By the way, I'm not asserting that the whole of Priority: Earth is a hallucination, I'm just pointing out one possibility, whether it's probable or not.

Modifié par Dwailing, 18 novembre 2012 - 05:00 .

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...
That it is. What really bothers me is an ubrupt fade to black at Cronos - it just ends very suddenly. And it is the point when things start to get weird. And the phrase of Illusive man  - don't overstay your welcome - there is after all a reaper just outside of his office, with the whole floor of his office lined up with reaper cables coming directly from it - What if it is affecting all our squad? and kai leng was there just to keep us there the time needed for the illusion to take in? For all we know we can still be at cronos, while it is getting destroyed by the sword fleet. 

Well, we're lucky and get to see this:



and this can either happen before or after London.
If before then this already implies that Citadel:The Return was fake. And if it was, and we know that prior to getting to them beam, what's the use for the London level now, anyway? So Shepard never leaving Cronos isn't that far fetched then. Moreover, it was one of my earliest speculations. Helps explain a lot.
However, there is this argument that in this case, all the work that went into post-Cronos programming is kinda pointless.

And if this is after London, well, then this is post-ending DLC.

Of course, this pic might also simply be some early idea for a cinematic that would've ended up post-Cronos. But if they scrapped it, I have to say, for me as a player: what sane game developer could throw away this awesome piece of gaming moment? It would also be like an homage to ME1, like when Sovereign was paying a visit, now only in greater number...certainly helps 'get' the overwhelming force.

Btw, I don't remember, did we find additional info on this pic? I'm asking because, you know...this might have something to do with this Citadel DLC rumor...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 novembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[masster blaster]

You know what's also funny about the opening game into is that Hackett brought almost all thr alliance fleets, but you know what's funny is that. Look at all the other races. For some reason almost every races is putting up a fight. ( Batarians don't count because it really wasn't much of a fight).

Now when you see Shepard on Earth, the Reapers should be ingading the Allaince fleets, but they don't. If you look at Shepard's trail, well hearing. Luna base just went off line, then 5 seconds later the Reapers are on Earth. What if they were already here on Earth?


I mean when your looking at the videos they show Anderson, and Shepard the Reapers have been on Earth for quite sometime. Now what's funny is that Mars is being attacked by Cerberus. Why did the Reapers not bother with Mars? They took out Luna without a second thought, but why not mars?

I mean we know Cerberus is on Mars, but for what? Yes I know the Crucible, but why didn't the Reapers go to Mars? They should have know about the Mars base, because Cerberus by this point is Indoctrinated. Yes TIM is indoctrinated by this point. He was finally brought to the Reapers side, when he took the proto Reaper inside his base.

You can tell he has been near the proto Reaper because there are tons of cigerates around the Reaper, and I don't think the implanted Cerberus troops smoke.

[masster blaster]

Yes Star, but it's to perfect. Shepard goes to Mars. Shepard finds the Crucible. The VS does not die, like they were suppost to. We get off Mars right before the Reapers land. Oh and on Earth, and Mars they don't even try to shoot down the Normandy? Something doesn't add up.

[demersel]

In the meantime , Marauder Shields comic is slowly building up to something.... It is almost at the reveal point.

 

[masster blaster]

Star think about it. Cerberus so happence to be on Mars when Earth is under attack. The Reapers don't attack Mars, but Cerberus does. Why didn't the Reapers personaly attack Mars? Why didn't Cerberus warn the Reapers about Mars?

TIM at this point is Indoctrinated due to the Proto Reaper in his base. We know TIM told the Reapers that the Citadel is the Catalyst right, so why didn't TIM tell the Reapers about Mars base? I mean they so happen to just come to Mars when we are about to leave right. We know that the Normandys stealth system means crap because during the fight at Earth the Normandy is being attacked by oricals. If Oracls can see the Normandy, I am sure the Reapers can to.

I mean come on the Reapers could have taken down the Normandy anytime they wanted to, by why not? That's the question right. The Reapers don't attack Mars because they wanted to go to Earth first, and not go take care of a weapon that can Destroy them all, and Cerberus didn't tell the Reapers about this, or their Indoctrinated people?

I am sorry, but I call bs they didn't know about Mars.
TIM already knew about Mars, and Thessia? Since when did he already know where to find the Prothean beacon on Thessia. We know Kai Leng was already there, but why didn't Kai Leng do anything else. I am sure he knew about the beacon, and where it was, but TIM in the video said head to Thessia and wait for Shepard.

It just doesn't add up.

Mars doesn't get attacked at all by the Reapers until Shepard leaves.
Cerberus trys to take the Citadel, but why? They could have not already know about it being the Catalyst because that makes them capturing the Prothean VI pointless.

Also they TIM told the Reapers to take the when we get to his base. Why didn't TIM told the Reapers, if he tried to take the Citadel right then?

It just doesn't add up.

[IronSabbath88]

Hey IT'ers.

Last night I came up with a pretty awesome assumption. This is coming off the backs of the two major leaks of the DLC coming down the pipeline for BioWare. Now, of course, I would take what I'm about to theorize with a grain of salt, after all, we don't even know if this DLC is even real but nonetheless I found what I put together pretty interesting and thought I'd share with you all.

Okay, here goes...

Basically if you look at the one leak, it has a summary of this:

Mass Effect 3 Rebirth DLC Spoilers

We find the secret Cerberus project

Shepard runs offline Mass relay
Lands on an unknown planet-look like Sur'kesh{The same
planet on which crashed Normandy at the end of ME3}
Normandy for unknown reasons it is disabled.
We set out to examine the planet and find an ancient
Etamis race.
They developed plans powerful weapons{Crucible}

Now what really struck me about this is that if it IS the planet in the ending then it could very well lend credibility to the fact that the ending is a figment of Shepard's imagination. What also strikes me as very telling is the fact that the "Light" DLC that was leaked in the other one basically describes this exact same plot point...

Now I did some digging and typed in "Etamis" in the Mass Effect Wiki, this is what I came up with:

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Etamis

There is some pretty interesting stuff there, most notably the stuff about a race thriving there millions of years ago and the world in a "post-garden" state.

It's either a really thought out fake or just... wow.

[jojon2se]

starlitegirlx wrote...
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Also, the nearly complete lack of reapers by the beam is strange. Like they want shepard and others to get up onto the citadel which I think is due to the fact that it is a different kind of reaper. Not a war reaper but a tool of war for the reapers endowed with the ability to indoctrinate. Not quite sure, but something about it is off.

Well, I did see some speculation that the structures surrounding the beam could be a group of Reaper Processor ships (the bottom feeder looking things, I believe), there to suck and reconstitute the juicy parts (brains) out of people who heeded the compulsion to "walk into the light", prior to transporting the resulting goo to the citadel (...and discarding the "excess").
I guess in this scenario the citadel would be moving around, when done with London, vaccuming every large population centre in turn.

[spotlessvoid]

I think IT isn't as special unless you give the fanbase time to get properly indoctrinated. If the reveal was immediately after, people don't have time to figure it out for themselves, and if all this speculating has a payoff, the ever lasting glory will be oh so sweet. Also, if the reveal was there at launch, almost nobody would have admitted to being indoctrinated. Watching this unfold is often frustrating, but if Bioware decides to follow through and pop some bubbles and open up all these peoples eyes to the need to be more discerning and thoughtful, well that would be an amazing statement

[ElSuperGecko]

starlitegirlx wrote...
In fact, I'm starting to think how stupid it was of BW to not put IT in the game. They could have lost one or two of those cerberus missions to fit it if that was an issue. Then people figure it out, everyone loves the mind screw factor. Then all the added DLC makes it fun to play. Dragging it out like this makes me wonder if they didn't really think it through as well as we give credit and now they are just using DLC to fix it.

I can't say I agree star.  If it had been clear after playing through the game once that the player was undergoing indoctrination, if the tiwst was revealed immediately, I doubt we'd still be talking about it now.  That's why I'm glad the "player loses control of Shepard" mechanic ended up on the cutting room floor - it would simply have been too obvious.  There'd be nothing to speculate about - we'd know.  Simple as that.

As it is, the game continues to keep our interest, we continue to talk about it, continue to speculate, theorise, and hope... which is gold from Bioware's point of view.  They have DLC to sell, and eventually hype to build for ME4.

I still think we'll see a "reveal" of some sort, a twist in the tale... but most likely in the last DLC we get.  Everything up to that pont will (like From Ashes, like Leviathan) simply give us more hints, more clues, more perspective.  ME3's story isn't over yet, not by a long shot!

[demersel]

The ending should come at the end of DLC cycle. because there is no point in playing the DLC (and buying it) fighting some minor battles - if you already know how the war ends. And this is exactly what they are doing. ME3 is not about defeating the reapers once and for all. It is Shepard's story. It is the story how he broke free of indoctrination (or didn't). And in that sense ME3 has an ending, and it is the best there could have been. all that comes before or even after, that has nothing to do with this particular story arc - is additional content, that can be left out to DLCs.
Don't believe me? Well, think carefully about it - what is Mass Effect 3, without, the Leviathna DLC, the Extended Cut DLC, and From Ashes DLC?
Earth, Mars, Citadel, Palevan, Sur-kesh, Tuchanka, Citadel Coup, Rannoch, Thessia, Horizon, Cronos, Earth. + Grissom Academy, Arcalay company mission, N7 missions, and Ardat'yakshi monastry.

What did i forget?

[CoolioThane]

What's up y'all?!

Keeping IT strong in my heart and my head up in here!