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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Okay nevermind then.

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demersel wrote...

Who says "You were my only friend in ten years" in that video?


maybe he ment good friends he has had in a long time, or maybe he hasn"t really talked to people / have friends. Do to his job.

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starlitegirlx wrote...
The endings could just be the three choices part. That's endings. That is done. If they move for IT then there is only one ending. You come out of indoctrination and then there's the ending. The fact that it is plural is suspicious. The game really only has one ending when you make your choice if you want to be logical about it. Using the plural refers strictly to the choices. So there are no more choices. that is done. But given they put in that nifty stargazer scene then really there is room to do more there. Time will tell.


Not strictly true.  Shepard dying in the Suicide Mission in ME2 is still an "ending".  The Elder Brain's victory feast in Hordes of the Underdark is still an ending.  They can push IT as much as they want to or even make it canon and they don't need to change anything from Cronos Station onwards at all.

It's all about the perspective you get for when you make the final decision, the clues and information you receive during the game itself that will make the difference.

As for where we go from there if they DO push IT in this way... well, I guess that's what ME4 would be for.

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If they move for IT then there is only one ending.


Although multidimensionality suggests infinite outcomes in an infinite number of universes, each universe can produce only one outcome…


Kind of like life and such. We take different paths and make different choices, but it all ends up the same. Not to sound pessimistic, just stating the facts.

Okay, maybe it doesn't if people picked control or synthesis, nevermind.

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magnetite wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...
If they move for IT then there is only one ending.


Although multidimensionality suggests infinite outcomes in an infinite number of universes, each universe can produce only one outcome…


Kind of like life and such. We take different paths and make different choices, but it all ends up the same. Not to sound pessimistic, just stating the facts.


Funny thing what the Stargazer say " Our galaxy is full of life, and every life has a special story of it's own."

Star child: Tell me another story about the Shepard.

Stargazer: It's getting late, but okay. One more story.


to be continued......

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http://www.youtube.c...dXYWKPyEMM#t=0s

http://www.youtube.c...dXYWKPyEMM#t=0s

Okay
here is Legend of the Seeker season 2 ep 10. Now in ep 9 he escaped the
place that he is at, but watch and listen to what the lady tells
Richard. It's almost like Indoctrinate is, only you just have to watch
the next video below the first one.

The next one ties in with WNM theory, and IT, but only the endings don't really happen.

Holy crap the 2nd video just os amazing. the lady the head one, is just it gives sense to the epilogue in ME3.

He will be dead long before he starves to death. The visons will kill him. What happence in his mind, also happence to his body.

This part is what we are missing. what ever happence at the end will either indoctrinate Shepard, or kill Shepard. the visions that Shepard sees are killing him/her. IT's making Shepard not wanting to fight anymore, and in Destroy SHepard dies, unless your willpower/ readiness is good to go. Hence the Breath scene,


hey guys I found another 1

on the end of the season, the child that I mentioned looks just like the star bat, and kind off tells the Seeker what the brat tells Shepard, only it's a little different.

http://www.youtube.c...n2krQWh8#t=601s

Now in the next video the boy is alone right, but watch very carefully.

Now imagine if Harbinger took control of a dead body, like the Leviathans can/ rachni, but can mask his voice because he perfected the Leviathans powers, which lead to Indoctrination.



www.youtube.com/watch
Bioware you clever devils, if you think about it, if Harbinger used his real voice, something in Shepard's mind will tell him/her that something isn't right. Now Bioware knew that the fans/ us would check to see if Bioware masked the guy that plays Harbinger. Which then they did male, female Shepard voice actors, and combined them with the child's voice to create a real voice.


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The most recent patch has changed the scene where Shepard speaks to the Rannoch Reaper. Instead of Tali walking up and seeing the conversation, your second squadmate walks up to see it. That squadmate then disappears for the rest of the mission. The fact that they went back and changed that makes it significant to me.

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Also, I find it funny that BW says they have "Ended the endings" and aren't adding anything more yet Leviathan adds dialogue to the ending, does it not?


Well, there's the "endings" and there's the "endings", isn't there?  Wordplay, wordplay, wordplay.

Bioware may very well be telling the truth when they say they have finished with the endings - when you talk about everything we see post Shepard's decision.  The ending sequences, the slides etc.

But that certainly doesn't mean they can't give them more context through DLC.  It doesn't mean that by adding something via DLC, they can't change the perception of the endings.

Just like they did with Leviathan.


though from a semantics point of view they could mean they're done with the endings. Meaning they already recorded and wrote for it. And they see no reason to go back and change it. All they're doing is waiting for the  dlc to finish releasing

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Also, I find it funny that BW says they have "Ended the endings" and aren't adding anything more yet Leviathan adds dialogue to the ending, does it not?


Well, there's the "endings" and there's the "endings", isn't there?  Wordplay, wordplay, wordplay.

Bioware may very well be telling the truth when they say they have finished with the endings - when you talk about everything we see post Shepard's decision.  The ending sequences, the slides etc.

But that certainly doesn't mean they can't give them more context through DLC.  It doesn't mean that by adding something via DLC, they can't change the perception of the endings.

Just like they did with Leviathan.


though from a semantics point of view they could mean they're done with the endings. Meaning they already recorded and wrote for it. And they see no reason to go back and change it. All they're doing is waiting for the  dlc to finish releasing


This. 100% for me. they have their endings and are not changing them... they just haven't shown them yet because they aren't ready. Yet.

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MWMike2011 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

I'm sure Bioware are working ways around it.. like the patch before Retaliation, for example, which Chris Priestly said would "set future things up".

I may need to invest in a new hard drive shortly. :S


That is what I'm thinking they are doing. Having little bits in the dlc packs and patches that will add to future DLC.


that explains why they are struggling with keeping it all a secret. But it makes the mystery more fun 

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

I'm sure Bioware are working ways around it.. like the patch before Retaliation, for example, which Chris Priestly said would "set future things up".

I may need to invest in a new hard drive shortly. :S


That is what I'm thinking they are doing. Having little bits in the dlc packs and patches that will add to future DLC.


that explains why they are struggling with keeping it all a secret. But it makes the mystery more fun 


Indeed it does. I can't wait to see what they find in Omega...

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masster blaster wrote...

The most recent patch has changed the scene where Shepard speaks to the Rannoch Reaper. Instead of Tali walking up and seeing the conversation, your second squadmate walks up to see it. That squadmate then disappears for the rest of the mission. The fact that they went back and changed that makes it significant to me.


really?  As far as I know no one in the squad sees the conversation. Just after the fact they walk up. Maybe my post on that whole thing had them fix it?  But ya can you explain what you mean by the squad disappears for the rest of the mission?  What happens when you talk to him/her later?

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CmdrShep80, are you doing a full video walkthrough of the trilogy?

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Shep80 your going to have to ask Plrfanke about that one. Just pm him. He is only banned for posting, but not pming.

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Has a new IT video been released?

Btw, when is Choose Wisely EP: 3 being released? It has been way past October.

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Seriously guys, I'm trying to be safely pessimistic about awakening dlc or whatever, but reading all this doesn't help. Scientific wager anyone?

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I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm not willing to call it until after Omega.

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Gwyphon wrote...

I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm not willing to call it until after Omega.

Omega will most Certainly not be the "big reveal" DLC, if that's what you are suggesting. If its going to happen, it will be with the final DLC.

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I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm not willing to call it until after Omega.

Yeah I have to say I'm looking forward to Omega less and less the more I see about it. :/

I just want to know what comes after that and/or if they will add to the end at all. Because I'm sorry, but even with IT as an interpretation, I am not satisfied at all with the end. Which is actually pretty impressive for me, because I love deep thought. I am intellectual, and still I prefer closure for the characters here. That's how much of an impact ME had on me. Posted Image

Edit: That said, I hope Omega is good. But Aria has never been one of my favourite characters.

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401 Kill wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm not willing to call it until after Omega.

Omega will most Certainly not be the "big reveal" DLC, if that's what you are suggesting. If its going to happen, it will be with the final DLC.


In retrospect, we should never have been predicting that it the reveal was going to take place every time there was a big event.  The end of the DLC cycle is the ONLY place that it would make sense for them to release the Awakening DLC (If you want to call it that).

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Gwyphon wrote...

I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm not willing to call it until after Omega.

Yeah I have to say I'm looking forward to Omega less and less the more I see about it. :/

I just want to know what comes after that and/or if they will add to the end at all. Because I'm sorry, but even with IT as an interpretation, I am not satisfied at all with the end. Which is actually pretty impressive for me, because I love deep thought. I am intellectual, and still I prefer closure for the characters here. That's how much of an impact ME had on me. Posted Image

Edit: That said, I hope Omega is good. But Aria has never been one of my favourite characters.

Why? What have they said about Omega that makes it seem less appealing??

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paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80, are you doing a full video walkthrough of the trilogy?


lol I want to. I've been working out the details of how to get it started since I've never really done any recordings before. I also went and bought something else. It'll take a couple of days to get here but from what i heard it also has a good editor on it too. It can also do commentary after the fact instead of recording within. In the end I may just do a fraps based record and use the other thing for editing. 

So ya I made a test vid of just the title sequence, playing with things like fonts, types of sounds, effects, etc. 

because I'm such a completion isn't I'm going to be standing around a lot lol as I try to find that next medigel case so I was also looking at how to speed up and/or cut the scenes out. 

Btw do you prefer commentary or just straight video?

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masster blaster wrote...

Shep80 your going to have to ask Plrfanke about that one. Just pm him. He is only banned for posting, but not pming.


ok I will later. Can he still read the forums too?

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm not willing to call it until after Omega.

Yeah I have to say I'm looking forward to Omega less and less the more I see about it. :/

I just want to know what comes after that and/or if they will add to the end at all. Because I'm sorry, but even with IT as an interpretation, I am not satisfied at all with the end. Which is actually pretty impressive for me, because I love deep thought. I am intellectual, and still I prefer closure for the characters here. That's how much of an impact ME had on me. Posted Image

Edit: That said, I hope Omega is good. But Aria has never been one of my favourite characters.

Why? What have they said about Omega that makes it seem less appealing??


I agree.  Omega looks awesome, IT or not.  Of course, that's the problem.  How can the stories in the DLCs be so good, yet the ending be so sucky?  I mean, they're both controlled by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters, why aren't they screwing these up like they "screwed" the endings up?  That's why I think IT is what's going on.  It's the only thing that makes sense, and it would be The Reveal of ME3.  I mean, compared to ME1 & 2, ME3 is rather short on massive plot twists.

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@Banshee thats blasphemy, how can you not like Aria