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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Dwailing wrote...

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We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image


I don't mind that.  We have probably the strongest biotic we've ever had on our team for a squadmate and the first female turian ever seen in the games.  I'd say that's enough.

I have to play it to know for sure, but I will tell you I prefer the squadmates I've known since ME1 over the leader of some gangs and someone I've never met. But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

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JMDekker2 wrote...

I highly doubt that any of us are going to be disappointed by Omega. It's massive, and there has to be some reason Cerberus has focused so much effort on controlling it. They only seem to be interested in places that are of significant to TIM's goal of controlling the reapers. I wouldn't expect much more IT stuff than Leviathan however, seeing as Leviathan was all about indoc., but there has to be something.

I strongly believe that the real nature of the Crucible will be revealed. Also, as you said, why Omega is so important to TIM.

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paxxton wrote...

What's wrong with Banshee? Why is everybody calling him a heretic?

Because I don't like Aria that much.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image

So, our squad mates will not appear in Omega? No conversations? (NOT AUTODIALOUGE)

You know, the Citadel DLC (alleged) better have some ****in amazing squadie interactions (deeper/more intimate squadie interactions) because that is my #1 reason for getting these DLC's.

Its like they are trying to infuriate me, I better see more of my favorite squadmates.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image


Do we Know wich class is Nyreen? Tech or Soldier or Both?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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To be fair, Liara in the same breathing space as Aria again is probably a bad idea. A really bad one.
I'm also going to say that Omega is going to have a bigger impact than we're supposed to expect and I want the flippin trailer to come out this week.

I sure hope so, considering it's hefty size and price. Also, yeah, a trailer would sure be nice.

Also, it's Cerberus that's supposedly the main antagonist in this dlc so yeah. Of course we're going to get more than we see, it's a given with them and their shennanigans.

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There better be something more to Omega, because otherwise this is absolute trolling and it unacceptable on any level.

(Omega spoilers)

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What's wrong with Banshee? Why is everybody calling him a heretic?

Because I don't like Aria that much.

Oh, that. Well, I wouldn't really be surprised if she stabbed Shepard in the back.

She's an iconic ME character though. I dislike that she seems to be getting everything she wants by evil means and not feeling the consequences. Cerberus kinda rubbed it into her face.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:21 .


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I think Nyreen might be a sentinel type

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Banshee--

Oh, you like Liara? Well, I'm okay with your indoctrination. Go on with your business, sir.

*shameless plug time*

You know, if you really like Liara, you'll join my group. Everyone who loves/likes Liara is welcome to join.

"The Church of T'Soni and Latter Day Romancers*"

Make yourself whole again; save yourself from eternal damnation.

*plug over*

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image

So, our squad mates will not appear in Omega? No conversations? (NOT AUTODIALOUGE)

You know, the Citadel DLC (alleged) better have some ****in amazing squadie interactions (deeper/more intimate squadie interactions) because that is my #1 reason for getting these DLC's.

Its like they are trying to infuriate me, I better see more of my favorite squadmates.

Agreed 100%.

@Fur28 Nyreen is a Sentinel.

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 I am intellectual, and still I prefer closure for the characters here. That's how much of an impact ME had on me. Posted Image


I personally feel that the closure came before the ending, not during the ending. For example, Miranda and Oriana getting away from their father and starting a new life. Jacob and Brynn starting a family, etc, plus a bunch of other things. I mean they didn't show us all that during the ending, but they told us what would happen in the form of a conversation with the character.

We'll see if they expand on that closure sometime next year, but I think that's all we're going to get. One of the great things that separates sci-fi from other genres is that whole imagination thing. Great sci-fi has people use their imagination a bit (eg. IT and that whole speculation thing), versus other genres might fill all that stuff in for us.

For example, let's say that someone doesn't agree with the devs interpretation to rebuild the galaxy. With the sci-fi genre, people can come up with their own ideas and such.

People are probably looking at me and thinking that is the weirdest idea I've ever heard.

Modifié par magnetite, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:24 .


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BringBackNihlus wrote...

Banshee--

Oh, you like Liara? Well, I'm okay with your indoctrination. Go on with your business, sir.

*shameless plug time*

You know, if you really like Liara, you'll join my group. Everyone who loves/likes Liara is welcome to join.

"The Church of T'Soni and Latter Day Romancers*"

Make yourself whole again; save yourself from eternal damnation.

*plug over*

Posted Image Joined it. Make me something awesome like the pope. Then I can fly around in my popemobile (Normandy) with Liara. Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

There better be something more to Omega, because otherwise this is absolute trolling and it unacceptable on any level.

(Omega spoilers)


Dude, seriously.

What is Cerberus doing on Omega?

We're not just going to be taking back Omega (if we even get to take it back).

We're going to find out what exactly Cerberus is doing there.

Knowing TIM, there's got to be a solid reason.

I'm not expecting Harbinger and Collectors, I am expecting more subtle IT clues.

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Fur28 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image


Do we Know wich class is Nyreen? Tech or Soldier or Both?


I thought they confirmed that she was a Biotic... In one of the livestreams they did for IGN and Gamespot.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

There better be something more to Omega, because otherwise this is absolute trolling and it unacceptable on any level.

(Omega spoilers)


Dude, seriously.

What is Cerberus doing on Omega?

We're not just going to be taking back Omega (if we even get to take it back).

We're going to find out what exactly Cerberus is doing there.

Knowing TIM, there's got to be a solid reason.

I'm not expecting Harbinger and Collectors, I am expecting more subtle IT clues.

Yeah, sorry, I've just been a little down lately so I'm unnatrually pessimistic. That said, from the look of the demo it looks like we'll at least have that Cerberus propaganda to analyze later. :)

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If we don't go through the Omega 4 Relay again I'm gonna be pissed

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MWMike2011 wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image


Do we Know wich class is Nyreen? Tech or Soldier or Both?


I thought they confirmed that she was a Biotic... In one of the livestreams they did for IGN and Gamespot.

Sentinels have biotics too :P Sorry, can't find link to demo for confirmation.

(Going to go eat. See you all later Posted Image)

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MWMike2011 wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image


Do we Know wich class is Nyreen? Tech or Soldier or Both?


I thought they confirmed that she was a Biotic... In one of the livestreams they did for IGN and Gamespot.


seriously? two biotics, that screws with my balanced system of squadmates i take with me

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Fur28 wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image


Do we Know wich class is Nyreen? Tech or Soldier or Both?


I thought they confirmed that she was a Biotic... In one of the livestreams they did for IGN and Gamespot.


seriously? two biotics, that screws with my balanced system of squadmates i take with me


I'm pretty sure that since you have to take Aria and Nyreen that the enemies are going to be tailored to their specific abilities.

Not like it matters for me. Charge + Nova takes care of almost anything, and whatever is left gets taken out by my Wraith.

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So i decided to take a rest from Halo 4 and play throught the ME trilogy again, It´s there any sign of Shepard´s starting indoctrination i should look for in the first two games?

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Fur28 wrote...

So i decided to take a rest from Halo 4 and play throught the ME trilogy again, It´s there any sign of Shepard´s starting indoctrination i should look for in the first two games?


Personally I think it started during the Arrival DLC, or at least the biggest indoctrination influence with the Object Rho reaper artifact. Which basically indoctrinated everyone on that asteroid.

Harbinger: Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine.
Codex: Reaper indoctrination is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds.

Modifié par magnetite, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:39 .


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Fur28 wrote...

So i decided to take a rest from Halo 4 and
play throught the ME trilogy again, It´s there any sign of Shepard´s
starting indoctrination i should look for in the first two
games?


Not Shepard per se, but some of the locals on Eden Prime shows signs of indoc. Especially the scientist who studied the beacon. As if he somehow experienced the same vision as Shepard.

Maybe though, the Prothean beacon is the first thing to 'taint' Shepard. Keep an eye and an ear out for Reaper signs and sounds.

After all, on Thessia, there's a dreamy Reaper horn when Shepard's hand is magically drawn to the hidden beacon.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:38 .


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Dwailing wrote...

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I don't know what to believe in anymore. I'm not willing to call it until after Omega.

Yeah I have to say I'm looking forward to Omega less and less the more I see about it. :/

I just want to know what comes after that and/or if they will add to the end at all. Because I'm sorry, but even with IT as an interpretation[/i], I am not satisfied at all with the end. Which is actually pretty impressive for me, because I love deep thought. I am intellectual, and still I prefer closure for the characters here. [/b]That's how much of an impact ME had on me. Posted Image

Edit: That said, I hope Omega is good. But Aria has never been one of my favourite characters.

Why? What have they said about Omega that makes it seem less appealing??


I agree.  Omega looks awesome, IT or not.  Of course, that's the problem.  How can the stories in the DLCs be so good, yet the ending be so sucky?  I mean, they're both controlled by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters, why aren't they screwing these up like they "screwed" the endings up?  That's why I think IT is what's going on.  It's the only thing that makes sense, and it would be The Reveal of ME3.  I mean, compared to ME1 & 2, ME3 is rather short on massive plot twists.


Just had to say it: 
James Vega: "It's... not right. It looks pretty, calm and peaceful, but it's not right. It's all just an illusion."
Shepard: "I can hardly believe it myself. Like everything back on Earth was some kind of nightmare."

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byne wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

We can't bring squad mates to Omega???? What a terrible idea.

That's an affirmative - no squadmates; Aria and Nyreen the whole time. Posted Image


Do we Know wich class is Nyreen? Tech or Soldier or Both?


I thought they confirmed that she was a Biotic... In one of the livestreams they did for IGN and Gamespot.


seriously? two biotics, that screws with my balanced system of squadmates i take with me


I'm pretty sure that since you have to take Aria and Nyreen that the enemies are going to be tailored to their specific abilities.

Not like it matters for me. Charge + Nova takes care of almost anything, and whatever is left gets taken out by my Wraith.


It´s just that i always use soldier, let my squadmates take out they´re shields or barriers and i do the rest on the distance. And i suck with Vanguards i got too used with ME1 overpowered God-like shotgun that i feel weak with the shotguns from 2 and 3.