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paxxton wrote...

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I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.


I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.


And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 


Shut up. does it really matter if it was. We have a plan, if IT is disproven, but what's your plan. Continue to insalt Bioware and people who believe in there theorys, or Conventional victory.

Some way to pass time on the BSN.

Besides like I already said if they wanted to kill IT, they should have done it in it's early stages, but now it's too late because they know now if they deni IT a lot of fans would be pissed, and if they comfirm IT a lot of fans will be pissed of, but more leaning to hear about IT.

Either way from What Chris says I call BS, because he said that Shepard could be on the Citadel. I really don't see that in the EC, and where is your prof because I don't have prof that IT is right, and nor do you have prof that IT is wrong.

So why do you still come on the IT thread. Are you a person that does not know what to think about ME, anymore, or are you looking for answers as much as we are.


This exchange is over.



I hope you'll all agree with me that the IT thread wouldn't be the same without masster blaster. *high five*


No, it wouldn't be the same, just like it wouldn't be the same without you, Byne, Arian, Banshee, me, or any of the many IT supporters.  That's why I'm always sad when one of our number leaves.  The thread just isn't the same.

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...

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And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 


I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 


You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 


I can say the same thing about literalists. Does it make it true? Is it proof? No. Is it an opinion. Yes. 

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You know what I just thought?

What if all the sp dlc gives you more evidence not to trust the catalyst,since the new dlc proves that the catalyst does not control the reapers and maybe the next dlc will tell you something more about why you should not trust him.

Just a thought.....

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Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.


I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.


And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 


Shut up. does it really matter if it was. We have a plan, if IT is disproven, but what's your plan. Continue to insalt Bioware and people who believe in there theorys, or Conventional victory.

Some way to pass time on the BSN.

Besides like I already said if they wanted to kill IT, they should have done it in it's early stages, but now it's too late because they know now if they deni IT a lot of fans would be pissed, and if they comfirm IT a lot of fans will be pissed of, but more leaning to hear about IT.

Either way from What Chris says I call BS, because he said that Shepard could be on the Citadel. I really don't see that in the EC, and where is your prof because I don't have prof that IT is right, and nor do you have prof that IT is wrong.

So why do you still come on the IT thread. Are you a person that does not know what to think about ME, anymore, or are you looking for answers as much as we are.


This exchange is over.



I hope you'll all agree with me that the IT thread wouldn't be the same without masster blaster. *high five*


No, it wouldn't be the same, just like it wouldn't be the same without you, Byne, Arian, Banshee, me, or any of the many IT supporters.  That's why I'm always sad when one of our number leaves.  The thread just isn't the same.


Dwailing remember that if he Unicorn is saying that Bioware said that IT is wrong, then that means that Bioware has been lying since ME3 got the backlash. Yet if so does that mean Biowares staments about the EC were right/ no they weren't they changed the endings, and added new evidence to IT. Some can say the Ec disproves/proves IT, yet only Bioware knows about what happened at the end, but they don't want to reavel it right know.

Also Unicorn did you know that Leviathan can kick Shepard right out of his minds, so Destroy is starting to make sense if that's the case. Also may I remind you that we are still here, and that's good enof for me.

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Huh? literalists? how are "we" wrong? This is a discussion forum, if someone comes to argue against the IT, be prepared to defend yourself with logic and support, not flame. If you can't do that, then why bother posting? 


Regarding the bolded... I expect the same for those trying to disprove the IT. Instead all you have done is spread you opinion around. It's not proof. How about you go and find some? When you do we will have a real conversation.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 05 août 2012 - 12:37 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 


I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 


You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 


I can say the same thing about literalists. Does it make it true? Is it proof? No. Is it an opinion. Yes. 

The literal interpretation doesn't need much intellectual work to come up with. No offense intended here but it's simply taking the game at face value and not thinking that it might have some deeper meaning, that not everything is given explicitly. It's almost as if those people were considering only the parts of the story immediately before and after the current moment and leave everything that came before outside of their interpretation.

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Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.


I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.


And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 


Shut up. does it really matter if it was. We have a plan, if IT is disproven, but what's your plan. Continue to insalt Bioware and people who believe in there theorys, or Conventional victory.

Some way to pass time on the BSN.

Besides like I already said if they wanted to kill IT, they should have done it in it's early stages, but now it's too late because they know now if they deni IT a lot of fans would be pissed, and if they comfirm IT a lot of fans will be pissed of, but more leaning to hear about IT.

Either way from What Chris says I call BS, because he said that Shepard could be on the Citadel. I really don't see that in the EC, and where is your prof because I don't have prof that IT is right, and nor do you have prof that IT is wrong.

So why do you still come on the IT thread. Are you a person that does not know what to think about ME, anymore, or are you looking for answers as much as we are.


This exchange is over.



I hope you'll all agree with me that the IT thread wouldn't be the same without masster blaster. *high five*


No, it wouldn't be the same, just like it wouldn't be the same without you, Byne, Arian, Banshee, me, or any of the many IT supporters.  That's why I'm always sad when one of our number leaves.  The thread just isn't the same.

Agreed. As someone put it earlier we are now one big happy IT family. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 05 août 2012 - 12:44 .


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Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.


I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.


And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 


Shut up. does it really matter if it was. We have a plan, if IT is disproven, but what's your plan. Continue to insalt Bioware and people who believe in there theorys, or Conventional victory.

Some way to pass time on the BSN.

Besides like I already said if they wanted to kill IT, they should have done it in it's early stages, but now it's too late because they know now if they deni IT a lot of fans would be pissed, and if they comfirm IT a lot of fans will be pissed of, but more leaning to hear about IT.

Either way from What Chris says I call BS, because he said that Shepard could be on the Citadel. I really don't see that in the EC, and where is your prof because I don't have prof that IT is right, and nor do you have prof that IT is wrong.

So why do you still come on the IT thread. Are you a person that does not know what to think about ME, anymore, or are you looking for answers as much as we are.


This exchange is over.



I hope you'll all agree with me that the IT thread wouldn't be the same without masster blaster. *high five*


No, it wouldn't be the same, just like it wouldn't be the same without you, Byne, Arian, Banshee, me, or any of the many IT supporters.  That's why I'm always sad when one of our number leaves.  The thread just isn't the same.


it would be the same without me. I'm new. An IT supporter but not really part of the group or part of it yet. I feel very new here despite believing in IT for a while now.

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Okay everyone it's time to start cutting down the walls of text okay.

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masster blaster wrote...

Okay everyone it's time to start cutting down the walls of text okay.


You mean getting rid of the extra quotes? I do that most of the time. The last one was lazy. Sorry.

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masster blaster wrote...

Okay everyone it's time to start cutting down the walls of text okay.

Quote pyramids? Yes, cut them out. Walls of text? Bring them on!

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Simon_Says wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay everyone it's time to start cutting down the walls of text okay.

Quote pyramids? Yes, cut them out. Walls of text? Bring them on!


Speaking of walls of text, where is Arian?

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What's a wall of text then if it's not all the quote pyramids?

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@masster blaster: Did you post that wall of text at 7PM yesterday?

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it would be the same without me. I'm new. An IT supporter but not really part of the group or part of it yet. I feel very new here despite believing in IT for a while now.


no it wouldn't you and the former lukers are/have been apart of the family ever since you came to be on this thread.

We have lost some many good friends, but gain new ones.

This is why I like it when new people come in this thread because the more people we have them more IT grows/our family.

Heck even I consider the Literalist apart of our family because they want what's best for ME3, but they are not sure that IT can/will do the job.That is why we have to speculate until Bioware says so.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

What's a wall of text then if it's not all the quote pyramids?

A HUGE text, you will see when Arian gets here

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paxxton wrote...

@masster blaster: Did you post that wall of text at 7PM yesterday?


No. Did not want to danger IT any further, than what Chris said.

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@masster blaster: Did you post that wall of text at 7PM yesterday?


No. Did not want to danger IT any further, than what Chris said.

What was it about?

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@masster blaster: Did you post that wall of text at 7PM yesterday?


No. Did not want to danger IT any further, than what Chris said.

What was it about?


What I said earlier today.Paxxton.

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munnellyladt wrote...

You know what I just thought?

What if all the sp dlc gives you more evidence not to trust the catalyst,since the new dlc proves that the catalyst does not control the reapers and maybe the next dlc will tell you something more about why you should not trust him.

Just a thought.....

...
Is it weird that I actually like the sound of this?
I can see conversing with a Reaper maybe shedding light on whether or not Shepard is Indoctrinated. More and more DLC could eventually make Shepard realise he is Indoctrinated and change the ending.
 Although, if this were the case - that would make Bioware money ****s for making you pay for the real ending.

I don't know, but I really like the idea munnelly proposed.

SOMEONE GET BIOWARE ON THE PHONE.

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byne wrote...

Speaking of walls of text, where is Arian?


I think he is either off doing something important in the world, off playing a game, or working w/ Hellish on the CW video. The last one I think is most likely. Talking about Hellish....Hellish has also been gone for a long time. :crying:

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TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

Speaking of walls of text, where is Arian?


I think he is either off doing something important in the world, off playing a game, or working w/ Hellish on the CW video. The last one I think is most likely. Talking about Hellish....Hellish has also been gone for a long time. :crying:


He was here earlier.

Hellishe I mean.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

What's a wall of text then if it's not all the quote pyramids?

A HUGE text, you will see when Arian gets here


Oops, I've done that early on. No more. promise!

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Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?