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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

One more story about the Shepard.

Nah, it's just DLC advertisement.

Or is it?


But even if it IS just DLC advertisement... what a weird thing to put at the end of your credits unless you ABSOLUTELY needed to remind your audience. Because a tag like that can (and does) crap on the vibe of an ending. So someone in The Powers That Be decided that squeezing in that reminder is more vital than artistic integrity -- perhaps knowing that more important things are yet to come.

And crapping on an ending is okay if it's not The Ending.

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Krimzie wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

One more story about the Shepard.

Nah, it's just DLC advertisement.

Or is it?


But even if it IS just DLC advertisement... what a weird thing to put at the end of your credits unless you ABSOLUTELY needed to remind your audience. Because a tag like that can (and does) crap on the vibe of an ending. So someone in The Powers That Be decided that squeezing in that reminder is more vital than artistic integrity -- perhaps knowing that more important things are yet to come.

And crapping on an ending is okay if it's not The Ending.


Agreed. Even with that awkward ending that we had, having that thrown in there felt a little dated.

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Heh, the Acavyos video starts with an annotation that says Bioware has shown us through the EC to take the endings at face value.

(Been a while since I watched it.)

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 novembre 2012 - 04:11 .


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Heh, the Acavyos video starts with an annotation that says Bioware has shown us through the EC to take the endings at face value.


Maybe I'm missing this, is he implying that he might have been wrong, and that IT is actually crap, or what?

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MWMike2011 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Heh, the Acavyos video starts with an annotation that says Bioware has shown us through the EC to take the endings at face value.


Maybe I'm missing this, is he implying that he might have been wrong, and that IT is actually crap, or what?


Apparently the author of the video no longer believes in IT because of the EC.

Happened to many people.

The EC is kind of strange.

In some ways, they toned down some of the supicious stuff. The angelic music that used to play right after you got hit by the beam was taken out. The child no longer says: "... or do you think you can control us?", instead he just says you can.

On the other hand, they added freaking Coats on the Citadel, the strange Leviathan sound effect, the wake up sound, the soldier winning in destroy, etcetera.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 novembre 2012 - 04:15 .


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

One more story about the Shepard.

Nah, it's just DLC advertisement.

Or is it?


DLC advertisement...definitely. Subliminal message...probable.

http://t3.gstatic.co...idYosTqWzP3U9R5

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Heh, the Acavyos video starts with an annotation that says Bioware has shown us through the EC to take the endings at face value.


Maybe I'm missing this, is he implying that he might have been wrong, and that IT is actually crap, or what?


Apparently the author of the video no longer believes in IT because of the EC.

Happened to many people.

The EC is kind of strange.

In some ways, they toned down some of the supicious stuff. The angelic music that used to play right after you got hit by the beam was taken out. The child no longer says: "... or do you think you can control us?", instead he just says you can.

On the other hand, they added freaking Coats on the Citadel, the strange Leviathan sound effect, the wake up sound, the soldier winning in destroy, etcetera.


So true. A lot of people have given up hope, and/or moved on to bigger things. I've moved on a while ago to play Halo 4 (totally worth it). I haven't given up hope yet but still...it's getting old. 

EDIT - Plus by looking at the list of threads...it hasn't improved. It's actually gotten worse here. WTF is this about someone being a rat? :huh:

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 19 novembre 2012 - 04:23 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Heh, the Acavyos video starts with an annotation that says Bioware has shown us through the EC to take the endings at face value.


Maybe I'm missing this, is he implying that he might have been wrong, and that IT is actually crap, or what?


Apparently the author of the video no longer believes in IT because of the EC.

Happened to many people.

The EC is kind of strange.

In some ways, they toned down some of the supicious stuff. The angelic music that used to play right after you got hit by the beam was taken out. The child no longer says: "... or do you think you can control us?", instead he just says you can.

On the other hand, they added freaking Coats on the Citadel, the strange Leviathan sound effect, the wake up sound, the soldier winning in destroy, etcetera.


So true. A lot of people have given up hope, and/or moved on to bigger things. I've moved on a while ago to play Halo 4 (totally worth it). I haven't given up hope yet but still...it's getting old. 


I'm past the ending. I just want more Mass Effect, period. It would be great if they did something more satisfying with the ending than what they have, but I will survive and I will buy ME4 day one, as long as it is for Xbox 360. Otherwise...I'm going to have to wait to get the new console. lol

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Soo many spam threads. It's too much. WTF is going on here? Are the mods oblivious to all this or have they just given up?

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Soo many spam threads. It's too much. WTF is going on here? Are the mods oblivious to all this or have they just given up?


I've given up even reading them. I have a select few I subscribe to and those are the only ones I even go to anymore. I might browse those just to see if there is anything new, but not usually.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Soo many spam threads. It's too much. WTF is going on here? Are the mods oblivious to all this or have they just given up?


i really hope they have. i don't want chris closing this thread and we'll have to search through 50 IT mark IV's in the hopes of finding the right one:bandit:

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shadoww6021 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Soo many spam threads. It's too much. WTF is going on here? Are the mods oblivious to all this or have they just given up?


i really hope they have. i don't want chris closing this thread and we'll have to search through 50 IT mark IV's in the hopes of finding the right one:bandit:


I'll just look for one started by byne...

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It does bother me that people who apperently understood what IT is can then discard it. Especially based on the EC.

Makes me wonder if they truely understood in the first place. There's NOTHING in the EC that deminished IT for me in the slightest. NOTHING. Its screaming louder at me, as if to say "look dummy, this isn't real, do I need to lay it out for you in flashing neon lights for you?"

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MWMike2011 wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Soo many spam threads. It's too much. WTF is going on here? Are the mods oblivious to all this or have they just given up?


i really hope they have. i don't want chris closing this thread and we'll have to search through 50 IT mark IV's in the hopes of finding the right one:bandit:


I'll just look for one started by byne...


still, for some reason the last two times the thread was closed a tonne of people opened there own IT threads.

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shadoww6021 wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Soo many spam threads. It's too much. WTF is going on here? Are the mods oblivious to all this or have they just given up?


i really hope they have. i don't want chris closing this thread and we'll have to search through 50 IT mark IV's in the hopes of finding the right one:bandit:


I'll just look for one started by byne...


still, for some reason the last two times the thread was closed a tonne of people opened there own IT threads.


I dunno. This is the first I've been an active part of.

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Andromidius wrote...

It does bother me that people who apperently understood what IT is can then discard it. Especially based on the EC.

Makes me wonder if they truely understood in the first place. There's NOTHING in the EC that deminished IT for me in the slightest. NOTHING. Its screaming louder at me, as if to say "look dummy, this isn't real, do I need to lay it out for you in flashing neon lights for you?"


it's simple. people in society have lost the ability to make there own decisions, or at least partially. due to our upbringing most people will not believe something unless it comes directly from a fuigure of authority. it really is just ignorance on their part.

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Andromidius wrote...

It does bother me that people who apperently understood what IT is can then discard it. Especially based on the EC.

Makes me wonder if they truely understood in the first place. There's NOTHING in the EC that deminished IT for me in the slightest. NOTHING. Its screaming louder at me, as if to say "look dummy, this isn't real, do I need to lay it out for you in flashing neon lights for you?"


People stopped caring.  They probaly thought; why would bioware wait so much to release IT DLC?
why would they wait till no one cares anymore?
And then they saw the extended epilogoue slideshow and the hope was problably gone at that point

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Andromidius wrote...

It does bother me that people who apperently understood what IT is can then discard it. Especially based on the EC.

Makes me wonder if they truely understood in the first place. There's NOTHING in the EC that deminished IT for me in the slightest. NOTHING. Its screaming louder at me, as if to say "look dummy, this isn't real, do I need to lay it out for you in flashing neon lights for you?"


It sounds childish, but... my assumption, especially because the platform is YouTube, is peer pressure. Not in the Mean Girls way, exactly, but interpretations are so fluid to begin with and then to be in a social network that chooses a mainstream interpretation and degrades anyone who thinks otherwise... it's easy to turn on a dime. The EC, for many, is an excuse to accept the popular opinion without looking like a flip-flopper.

I just try to remember that a literal interpretation is a popular interpretation because it's the safest interpretation. It's like the difference between dumping a boyfriend/girlfriend at the first argument (clean, like ripping off a bandaid, and any heartbreak is healed by bashing the date), or working through disagreements and coming out stronger for it (dirty, confusing, requires patience, but ultimately gives you a fuller view of the person you love).

I'm with you, though. I got ME3 after the EC was released so I never actually played the original ending (watched it on de Tube), and yet I immediately questioned the realness of the ending scenes. It did nothing to squelch the theory.

Modifié par Krimzie, 19 novembre 2012 - 05:07 .


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Sorry for the double post, BUT I think it's sometimes really refreshing to go back to basics when thinking about the ending... so how. in. the. world. does someone look at this brightass whiteout cut with the subtitles "Major Coates: God... they're all gone..."
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...and think, "nope, no way, there's no way this is an AGE OLD cinematic cue to suggest a shift in consciousness"...?

At this point, destroy/control/synthesis debates do nothing for me. What I want to see is how people can reason their ways out of moments like this shot... and if it has happened over the past 8 months and someone could point me towards it, I'd appreciate it.

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

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Oh believe me, I hope Omega will blow me away and have IT clues:lol:!!

But the absence of squadies already eliminates any possibility of me being blown away by this DLC, so I hope that they are keeping expectations low so that they can throw a curve ball at us.

It is a bit of a downer after how nice it was to finally have squad and select LIs talking in Leviathan, but I personally don't mind it. Shepard paired with two shady people that, as far as we know, can't be trusted is an interesting and strange way to take Omega back. Granted, Aria is one of those people so her coming along is a given. But Nyreen? Ex-turian military sounds like a pretty big deal, and I kind of doubt she's another Archangel if she's a mercenary.

Remember military service is mandatory for 15 years for all turians.

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leonia42 wrote...

Still no Omega trailer? They're really hyping this $15 story aren't they..

Ha awesome picture Leonia! Posted Image

@Krimzie Hello, haven't seen you in a while. Posted Image Though, it could be because I haven't been here as much lately.

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So I also take it that you get to choose, between either Flare or Biotic Protector as a power bonus depending on who you side with and will need to play through it (or part of it) twice to get both. But who knows maybe we'll not have to kill one of them and you can get both bonus powers somehow. :P

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@Krimzie Hello, haven't seen you in a while. Posted Image Though, it could be because I haven't been here as much lately.


Bah, I lurk and then post as if I've always been posting until I've indoctrinated you all to think I've... dun dun dun... been here all along! :P

But really, I've been doing an insanity run of the series and I CANNOT stop thinking about indoctrination, since I'll be approaching the endings again soon... does it just feel more obvious once you're aware of it or has it always been obvious?!? 

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Fur28 wrote...

byne wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

It´s just that i always use soldier, let my squadmates take out they´re shields or barriers and i do the rest on the distance. And i suck with Vanguards i got too used with ME1 overpowered God-like shotgun that i feel weak with the shotguns from 2 and 3.


Well, the ME3 vanguard is like 95% charge and nova, and 5% shotguns. You only use the shotgun on Atlases and Banshees since they have instant kills. Brutes have instant kills too, but almost never use them.

As long as you have +200% recharge speed at all times on a vanguard, sucking at it really isnt possible.


Fur28 proud member of people who has done the impossible

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Krimzie wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
@Krimzie Hello, haven't seen you in a while. Posted Image Though, it could be because I haven't been here as much lately.


Bah, I lurk and then post as if I've always been posting until I've indoctrinated you all to think I've... dun dun dun... been here all along! :P

But really, I've been doing an insanity run of the series and I CANNOT stop thinking about indoctrination, since I'll be approaching the endings again soon... does it just feel more obvious once you're aware of it or has it always been obvious?!? 


Definitely more obvious as you go. Even if you knew the first time, there is no conceivable way that you picked up on everything (after all, we haven't yet).

About the transition above: It's sad but people just say it's a cool camera device and nothing else. :/ Even though the only times it's used (if you count the end) is in an alternate reality sequence (geth consensus, first introduced in Arrival, etc.)

@Arashi Good idea. I never even thought of those being bonus powers. Well, I'd imagine we'd get both. I was pleasantly surprised when we got Dominate in Levi.