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[ChristianHarper]

Krimzie wrote...

Sorry for the double post, BUT I think it's sometimes really refreshing to go back to basics when thinking about the ending... so how. in. the. world. does someone look at this brightass whiteout cut with the subtitles "Major Coates: God... they're all gone..."

...and think, "nope, no way, there's no way this is an AGE OLD cinematic cue to suggest a shift in consciousness"...?

At this point, destroy/control/synthesis debates do nothing for me. What I want to see is how people can reason their ways out of moments like this shot... and if it has happened over the past 8 months and someone could point me towards it, I'd appreciate it.

Their "reasoning" usually is "bad writing".

No DLC has disproved IT and no one from BiowarEA will simply say that IT is false. IT is real.

[BansheeOwnage]

Krimzie wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

It does bother me that people who apperently understood what IT is can then discard it. Especially based on the EC.

Makes me wonder if they truely understood in the first place. There's NOTHING in the EC that deminished IT for me in the slightest. NOTHING. Its screaming louder at me, as if to say "look dummy, this isn't real, do I need to lay it out for you in flashing neon lights for you?"

It sounds childish, but... my assumption, especially because the platform is YouTube, is peer pressure. Not in the Mean Girls way, exactly, but interpretations are so fluid to begin with and then to be in a social network that chooses a mainstream interpretation and degrades anyone who thinks otherwise... it's easy to turn on a dime. The EC, for many, is an excuse to accept the popular opinion without looking like a flip-flopper.

I just try to remember that a literal interpretation is a popular interpretation because it's the safest interpretation. It's like the difference between dumping a boyfriend/girlfriend at the first argument (clean, like ripping off a bandaid, and any heartbreak is healed by bashing the date), or working through disagreements and coming out stronger for it (dirty, confusing, requires patience, but ultimately gives you a fuller view of the person you love).

I'm with you, though. I got ME3 after the EC was released so I never actually played the original ending (watched it on de Tube), and yet I immediately questioned the realness of the ending scenes. It did nothing to squelch the theory.

Well said. Agree 100%.

[shadoww6021]

magnetite wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

It does bother me that people who apperently understood what IT is can then discard it. Especially based on the EC.

Makes me wonder if they truely understood in the first place. There's NOTHING in the EC that deminished IT for me in the slightest. NOTHING. Its screaming louder at me, as if to say "look dummy, this isn't real, do I need to lay it out for you in flashing neon lights for you?"

it's simple. people in society have lost the ability to make there own decisions, or at least partially. due to our upbringing most people will not believe something unless it comes directly from a fuigure of authority. it really is just ignorance on their part.

I was always told that if you want things in life, you are going to have to work for it. Nothing get handed to you on a silver platter. Well, it's paid off.

When I first saw the ending back in March, instead of asking for an explanation, I decided to use a little logic and reason combined with the facts and knowledge that I learned throughout the series to try and figure it out.

I am kind of an analytical guy. 

The ending was a puzzle, but they gave us the pieces to put it together.

a lot of us here are the analytical types, hence why we are contributing to this thread. we're all here to help eachother and fuigure this out a lot faster. also it makes the experience a little more enjoyable knowing you have people who agree with you, even though most don't. it makes it feel less like we are fighting against an overwhelming crowd of those who aren't open minded.

[BansheeOwnage]

shadoww6021 wrote...


a lot of us here are the analytical types, hence why we are contributing to this thread. we're all here to help eachother and fuigure this out a lot faster. also it makes the experience a little more enjoyable knowing you have people who agree with you, even though most don't. it makes it feel less like we are fighting against an overwhelming crowd of those who aren't open minded.

That's true, but I have a feeling we'll have to fight an overwhelming crowd of people who aren't open-minded our whole lives. I hope I'm wrong.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...


a lot of us here are the analytical types, hence why we are contributing to this thread. we're all here to help eachother and fuigure this out a lot faster. also it makes the experience a little more enjoyable knowing you have people who agree with you, even though most don't. it makes it feel less like we are fighting against an overwhelming crowd of those who aren't open minded.

That's true, but I have a feeling we'll have to fight an overwhelming crowd of people who aren't open-minded our whole lives. I hope I'm wrong.

Even if IT is right, it isnt like those close-minded people will admit it. They'll just say BioWare stole the idea from us, and technically, to them, we were still always wrong when we said they intended it.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...


a lot of us here are the analytical types, hence why we are contributing to this thread. we're all here to help eachother and fuigure this out a lot faster. also it makes the experience a little more enjoyable knowing you have people who agree with you, even though most don't. it makes it feel less like we are fighting against an overwhelming crowd of those who aren't open minded.

That's true, but I have a feeling we'll have to fight an overwhelming crowd of people who aren't open-minded our whole lives. I hope I'm wrong.

Even if IT is right, it isnt like those close-minded people will admit it. They'll just say BioWare stole the idea from us, and technically, to them, we were still always wrong when we said they intended it.

Well, if that happens, I won't care.  Goodnight everyone.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 novembre 2012 - 06:26 .

[masster blaster]

You know I was watching The dark knight, and Batman begins, and it hit me. Bruce Wayne is always saying " anyone can be Batman." At first I was like no way, but then when I saw TDKR, I saw what he ment at the end.

Shepard is like Batman. Why do you think we have to redo his/her profile? Why can we choose the background Shepard was born into/ what he, or she did to get him/her to be reomended for Specter.


I just thought it was for just the story and nothing more, but when I watched Batman it clicked.

When the Stargazer it telling the story about the Shepard, he was actually telling the boy the story ever since ME1. The Stargazer doesn't know what happened to the Shepard, but they can only speculate what happened, and why the Reapers are nomore.

In other words just like Batman can be anyone, so can Shepard. If Bioware isn't going to do no more Shepard, then okay not this Shepard, or a Shepard 2.0, but a new Shepard. Yes I know 2.0, but either way they are going to create another Shepard. There is really no way to get around it.

Anyways after Earth is won, and Harbinger is killed, or weakend, Shepard dies due to his/her injurys, or maybe he/she is alive, but can't fight the ground fight anymore. So a new hero takes the name of Shepard, hence the profile is corrupted because there could have been more than 1 Shepard.

It's like when Batman died, who took up the role as Batman, well his former apprentice Dick Gracen. Now that could be what's going to happen in ME4. A new hero will rise, and take on the name of Shepard because that 1 name is a symbol of everything the galaxy is.

[dorktainian]

'the shepard' ???

you can create male or female.... so the character is obviously not 'locked'. you can romance anything with legs (might hurt space hamster) and have varied backstory and personality.

funny that cos i thought garrus/archangel was a nod to the bat.

he is the hero of a thousand faces. the person is replacable but the role is not.

what does that make star brat then?

oh and while theorys flying around. chronos station. chronos = time. always reset back there. i still think everything that happens after chronos station is speculation on the storytellers part and not the 'real story' which has yet to be told. why else would you reset back there?

[Krimzie]

MB, your post gave me chills. Shepard as The Shepard. Such a move would keep  my Shepard's legacy alive while still allowing a new protagonist. Shep's Batman. I love it.

dorktainian wrote...
oh and while theorys flying around. chronos station. chronos = time. always reset back there. i still think everything that happens after chronos station is speculation on the storytellers part and not the 'real story' which has yet to be told. why else would you reset back there?

You know, you're onto something. The Chronos Station save is an "EMS check" but I feel like that's a load of bull. Why wouldn't the EMS check be right before London? What's so special about Chronos...? The ME2 loyalty check happened right before the IFF mission and that works storywise because it sets events in motion that run on a timer -- one extra mission and you lose your crewmembers -- but Chronos...? IDK, man.

EDIT: Ah, right, Mag. Hackett said so. It's still... odd though. Chronos is all about Cerberus and Earth is all about Reapers... oof. I gotta replay that soon.

Modifié par Krimzie, 19 novembre 2012 - 07:02 .

[Humakt83]

dorktainian wrote...

oh and while theorys flying around. chronos station. chronos = time. always reset back there. i still think everything that happens after chronos station is speculation on the storytellers part and not the 'real story' which has yet to be told. why else would you reset back there?

Blasto gets frozen by time device until his fellow spectre frees him.

[Ginissss]

masster blaster>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jesus

[demersel]

Masster_blaster, TDKR - is just a bad poorly written movie, not really a great example at inspiring storytelling.

As for Mass Effect, and the Shepard - it really gets tricky. You see, the whole Mass effect universe is designed to be centered around Shepard. Without him - there is no universe - because he's the only one who can observe it existing. Shepard = player, and player = Shepard. But, i think with the next game, they want to change that. They want to make the universe richer and give it more dimensions by allowing you to observe it not just from a single point of view, which is a human soldier. I think they want to let you try out all the different roles and races that exist there - like they sort of started to do with the multiplayer - they allowed you to have a taste what it feels like playeng as a krogan, drell, asari, quarian, geth batarian, even volus and vorcha. But MP is one dimansional - it is stricktly combat sim. But what would it be like to role play those characters? Now that can really get interesting. I think it is a safe bet that they would do just this. And MP is a great place for them to experiment with assets and gameplay for those different characters.

Modifié par demersel, 19 novembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[masster blaster]

masster blaster>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jesus



Really? I find it funny, yet I don't think J mand would find it funny.

[Humakt83]

magnetite wrote...

I don't know if this is considered foreshadowing or just a random quote referring to a "dream sequence".

Hmm. A moment the EDI gains full control of the ship it says "I'm in control.", and Joker gets blasted off his feet. After the whole ordeal, Joker acts a lot friendlier towards EDI.

[masster blaster]

Dem how is TDkR a bad movie.

Modifié par masster blaster, 19 novembre 2012 - 07:58 .

[demersel]

masster blaster wrote...

Dem how is TDkR a bad movie.

In the way, that it isn't a good one. 

[MWMike2011]

So, this guy over on Playfire I'm friends with that has worked for Bioware before in an internship, made a few contacts over there, and has provided me with several leaks or whatever, things they are working on, and they have all come true. Anyway, I keep trying to get him to get something out of them about IT. All he keeps getting is the old stand true "no comment on rumors and speculations." That said...early on, when The Truth and Terminator were originally rumored and speculated, they had ABSOLUTELY no problem commenting on those to turn them the hell down. I get the very strong impression that that might be their way of confirming it... Maybe it is another grasping at straws, but this guy is fairly credible, for me at least. Also let it drop that they are very seriously considering allowing playable races, which seems to be a given at this point. Hudson kinda confirmed that on Twitter.

[Fur28]

demersel wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Dem how is TDkR a bad movie.

In the way, that it isn't a good one. 

Flawless Logic

I found it okay, loved Bane

[dorktainian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos

wow...

[Eryri]

masster blaster wrote...

You know I was watching The dark knight, and Batman begins, and it hit me. Bruce Wayne is always saying " anyone can be Batman." At first I was like no way, but then when I saw TDKR, I saw what he ment at the end.

Shepard is like Batman. Why do you think we have to redo his/her profile? Why can we choose the background Shepard was born into/ what he, or she did to get him/her to be reomended for Specter.


I just thought it was for just the story and nothing more, but when I watched Batman it clicked.

When the Stargazer it telling the story about the Shepard, he was actually telling the boy the story ever since ME1. The Stargazer doesn't know what happened to the Shepard, but they can only speculate what happened, and why the Reapers are nomore.

In other words just like Batman can be anyone, so can Shepard. If Bioware isn't going to do no more Shepard, then okay not this Shepard, or a Shepard 2.0, but a new Shepard. Yes I know 2.0, but either way they are going to create another Shepard. There is really no way to get around it.

Anyways after Earth is won, and Harbinger is killed, or weakend, Shepard dies due to his/her injurys, or maybe he/she is alive, but can't fight the ground fight anymore. So a new hero takes the name of Shepard, hence the profile is corrupted because there could have been more than 1 Shepard.

It's like when Batman died, who took up the role as Batman, well his former apprentice Dick Gracen. Now that could be what's going to happen in ME4. A new hero will rise, and take on the name of Shepard because that 1 name is a symbol of everything the galaxy is.

I would be really happy with a DA: Origins style direction for ME - Provided they finish our Shep's story properly first.

I imagine the logistics of different playable races would make a voiced protagonist almost impossible though. You'd need to have male and female versions of Turians, Humans, Voluses (Voli?) etc.
I've been spoiled by voice-acted protagonists, I'd find it hard to go back to a mute, expressionless character like in DA:O.

Modifié par Eryri, 19 novembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[demersel]

Fur28 wrote...

Flawless Logic

I found it okay, loved Bane

Bane = Lenin, you know that right? The whole revolution subplot was a very clamsy attempt at  adding substance to the story. 

[demersel]

Eryri wrote...

I would be really happy with a DA: Origins style direction for ME - Provided they finish our Shep's story properly first.

I imagine the logistics of different playable races would make a voiced protagonist almost impossible though. You'd need to have male and female versions of Turians, Humans, Voluses (Voli?) etc.
I've been spoiled by voice-acted protagonists, I'd find it hard to go back to a mute, expressionless character like in DA:O.

Hey, they did that stuff fro TOR and it was fine.