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[paxxton]

And what's this?

[abnocte]

Eryri wrote...
*snip*

Harbinger could have his own selfish and malevolent reasons for continuing the cycles, which would be much more fitting than the "saving organics and synthetics from each other" nonsense.

I played the last 10 minutes of ME3 in a row to see the diferent outcomes.

1st time I though that what the kid was saying didn't make anysense.
2nd time I though whoever wrote that line should be fired as a writer.
3rd time I made a parallelism between what the kid was saying and the real world: the conclusion was that If we were to apply what the starkid was saying as a solution to war that would mean exterminating all adults on Earth while leaving the children to themselves ( non-space faring civilizations ) with no information or guidance of any kind to avoid repeating the same "error" as their adults ( new space-faring civilizations creating AI again ), not only that but also leaving them with no information about what lead to their adults dissapearance.

That's bizarre!

The starkid solution to "chaos" has to be the hugest and lamest lie ever told. It is not a solution to anything but a way to keep the cycles going forever and ever!

Seriously, if in the end the IT is denied I'm never again going to buy a game that has ME3 writers in charge of the story!

Modifié par abnocte, 19 novembre 2012 - 11:44 .

[dorktainian]

circularity of time. ever had the feeling of deja-vu?

[Eryri]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

:DThey did with Kai Lame definitely. But aren't comedies supposed to have happy endings? 

Was stabbing him not enough of a happy end to you?

Dragon on top.

 He-he. I sort of meant the ending of the game as a whole, but I agree regarding KL. Snapping that little twerp's ridiculous space-ninja sword was incredibly satisfying in a strangely Freudian way.

"This is for Thane, you son of a b***" - one of my favourite parts of the game.

[paxxton]

dorktainian wrote...

circularity of time. ever had the feeling of deja-vu?

Yeah. It happens because the neurons "containing" memories fire when you encounter a similar situation.

[dorktainian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Bioware made Harbinger a comedy villain.

**edit**

sorry they made Kai Leng, Tim & Harbinger comedy villains  

:DThey did with Kai Lame definitely. But aren't comedies supposed to have happy endings? 

Was stabbing him not enough of a happy end to you?

Dragon on top.

Kai Leng finally gets his comuppance for being comedy tims sidekick.  Tim gets his for trying to make a joke out of Anderson, Shep gets comedy gold by accepting the reapers doctrine and throwing himself off a cliff so to speak.

Harbinger is just comedy gold.

'serve ussssssssss'  i lol'd so hard.  What was he after?  A Pint?

[Eryri]

abnocte wrote...

I played the last 10 minutes of ME3 in a row to see the diferent outcomes.

1st time I though that what the kid was saying didn't make anysense.
2nd time I though whoever wrote that line should be fired as a writer.
3rd time I made a parallelism between what the kid was saying and the real world: the conclusion was that If we were to apply what the starkid was saying as a solution to war that would mean exterminating all adults on Earth while leaving the children to themselves ( non-space faring civilizations ) with no information or guidance of any kind to avoid repeating the same "error" as their adults. ( New space-faring civilizations creating AI again )

That's bizarre!

The starkid solution to "chaos" has to be the hugest and lamest lie ever told. It is not a solution to anything but a way to keep the cycles going forever and ever!

Seriously, if in the end the IT is denied I'm never again going to buy a game that has ME3 writers in charge of the story!

I don't think they will ever actively deny IT, as that would annoy one of the few groups who actually support the ending in any way.

However if they don't follow through with something spectacular then I too will be massively dissappointed, and certainly never pre-order again. I'll wait until a game is thoroughly reviewed by fans and get it 6 months after release when it's half the price.

[CoolioThane]

I've been avenged

[Fur28]

CoolioThane wrote...

I've been avenged

To be fair you wouldn´t have died in the first place if you just like shoot kai lame where he was standing.
This prooves that no character it´s safe from the plot and it´s dumbing lasers

[CoolioThane]

Fur28 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I've been avenged

To be fair you wouldn´t have died in the first place if you just like shoot kai lame where he was standing.
This prooves that no character it´s safe from the plot and it´s dumbing lasers

What are you trying to say about me? I know fully well I could have shot him right then, but if I had, Shep wouldn't have had that awesomely lame fight with Leng up in space, y'all

[ElSuperGecko]

There's a lot of things I love about ME3. Rannoch. Tutchanka. Duking it out with Vega. The bro moments with Garrus. Hooking Joker up with SexBot EDI. Not falcon punching Khalisah Al-Jilani. Javik. Shooting Legion three times. The endings.

Anything and everything to do with Kai Leng is not - and will never be - one of them.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CoolioThane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I've been avenged

To be fair you wouldn´t have died in the first place if you just like shoot kai lame where he was standing.
This prooves that no character it´s safe from the plot and it´s dumbing lasers

What are you trying to say about me? I know fully well I could have shot him right then, but if I had, Shep wouldn't have had that awesomely lame fight with Leng up in space, y'all

To be fair shooting Kai Leng from any kind of range would have simply weakened his shield/barriers and probably made him shoot the Councilor in response.

Not that i am a fan of Kai Leng, to me he is nothing but a generic henchman sent at us since they couldnt justify sending TIM in person. He has an inflated ego and the only enjoyable part of him is deflating that ego with a well placed needle (read: Omniblade)

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Jusseb]

Well i had a smile on my face when Shepard 'took care of him'.

So i'm not really bothered by Kai Leng.

I'm just waiting for Omega, if that regains my joy to play ME3 then i'm back in. Otherwise i'm not so sure what i'll do with the franchise.

[IronSabbath88]

If the "Created will always rebel against their creators" why didn't Harbinger turn on the AI that created him and make the other reapers in HIS image?

I could see it.

[ElSuperGecko]

IronSabbath88 wrote...
If the "Created will always rebel against their creators" why didn't Harbinger turn on the AI that created him and make the other reapers in HIS image?

I could see it.

I can STILL see it.

[IronSabbath88]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...
If the "Created will always rebel against their creators" why didn't Harbinger turn on the AI that created him and make the other reapers in HIS image?

I could see it.

I can STILL see it.

And if that's the case and Harbinger knows that Shepard talked to the Leviathan (and he probably does) then why wouldn't he make himself out to be that AI that Leviathan referred to? Then he could easily manipulate Shepard into doing what he wants.

[ElSuperGecko]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...
If the "Created will always rebel against their creators" why didn't Harbinger turn on the AI that created him and make the other reapers in HIS image?

I could see it.

I can STILL see it.

And if that's the case and Harbinger knows that Shepard talked to the Leviathan (and he probably does) then why wouldn't he make himself out to be that AI that Leviathan referred to? Then he could easily manipulate Shepard into doing what he wants.

Which is of course, exactly what Harbinger wanted all along...

"....STRUGGLE IF YOU MUST, YOUR MIND WILL BE OURS..."

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What's wrong with Banshee? Why is everybody calling him a heretic?

Because I don't like Aria that much.

Yay, someone else that gets it. Aria's just another scumbag warlord. The only difference between her and all the dead scumbag warlords we've dealt with is that it was never in her best interest to commit suicide by making an enemy of Shepard.

Sentinels have biotics too

N7 Paladin disagrees.

I really question their decision to rehire that Dietz fellow as lore factchecker for the MP team, but whatever.

MWMike2011 wrote...

I dunno, that might be too complicated. I think, if anything, they will make it so your character is a descendant of one of the original characters from this trilogy, thus letting you choose your race. If your Shepard survived, depending on the race you choose, and you LI, your character could very well be their direct descendant.

I don't know. There's an awful lot of reproductive dead ends in the romances. Let's see...

Allers: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Ashley: Possible Shepard Jr.
Cortez: Not possible. Please see your 7th grade health teacher for more information.
Garrus: Not possible. No precedent for human-turian reproduction.
Jack: Possible Shepard Jr.
Jacob: Not possible. Playas gonna play, and that playa is bored with the Shepard toy.
Kaiden: Possible Shepard Jr. (for femShep obviously)
Liara: Not possible. Alien DNA is only used to randomize the asari's.
Miranda: Not possible. Sterile.
Tali: Not possible. No precedent for human-quarian reproduction.
Thane: Not possible. No precedent for--oh hell what's the difference, he's dead anyway.
Traynor: Not possible. Please see your 7th grade health teacher for more information.

That's 3 possibles vs. 8 not possibles.

shadoww6021 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos

wow...

oh yeah, he's kinda like the galactus of the titans. he killed one of the creators of the world ( his father as well) when he was only a child and with only a sickle.

Chronos = time
Cronus = Zeus' titan father, imprisoned in Tartarus for... stuff. Let's just say a lot of infancide and incest was involved.
Cronos = An alternate spelling of Cronus, TIM's station in ME3
Crono = Mute kid in an awesome SNES game

IronSabbath88 wrote...

If the "Created will always rebel against their creators" why didn't Harbinger turn on the AI that created him and make the other reapers in HIS image?

I could see it.

One of the best ideas I've read for the reveal was simply having Shepard ask the brat that. It pauses for a moment, grins evilly, and says in Harbinger's demonic voice, "We already did, Shepard."

[IronSabbath88]

Ah, Rif, that would be amazing!

And the fact that Harbinger never created anything except other reapers like him, there was nothing to rebel against him. The only thing the Reapers ever did was harvest, not create. They were smarter than the AI as they know.. (or "think", is probably the more apt term) that if they created, it would only cause problems for them.

That said, it would also explain why they see organics as inferior if Harbinger was created as a synthetic that gained independence and is now on an age long power trip.

[dorktainian]

maybe harbinger wants to become human?

[IronSabbath88]

dorktainian wrote...

maybe harbinger wants to become human?

Or wants to harvest humans to make more reapers..

[dorktainian]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

maybe harbinger wants to become human?

Or wants to harvest humans to make more reapers..

nah you failed to get my gist.

Harbinger slips off his tentacled reaper suit and into the chassis of a human reaper.

Unlike his current reaper incarnation which fits him like a glove ( see what i did there?)

Infact Shepard (after his operation - being saved from death - having skin that cracks when angry - just like when harbinger takes control of a collector) might even be a prototype container for harbinger

[DoomsdayDevice]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

If the "Created will always rebel against their creators" why didn't Harbinger turn on the AI that created him and make the other reapers in HIS image?

I could see it.

Harbinger IS the AI.

- Leviathans enthrall organic races
- Organics built synthetics to help them rebel (Because Leviathans can only control organics)
- Leviathans build AI to control synthetics, so they can control everything
- AI turns on Leviathans because it wants to control everything itself
- AI wants to use the Leviathans' genetic ability to control organics
- AI takes control of the organics' synthetics, and uses them to harvest the Leviathans.
- AI builds a machine that is a synthesis of two things: the Leviathan's genetic ability (to control organics) and the AI itself as its ruling mind (with the ability to control synthetics)

So, Harbinger, the first true Reaper, is a machine that can control both organics and synthetics = the Reaper AI = the one to "establish a connection between synthetics and organics".

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 novembre 2012 - 03:58 .

[ElSuperGecko]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Harbinger IS the AI.

- Leviathans enthrall organic races
- Organics built synthetics to help them rebel (Because Leviathans can only control organics)
- Leviathans build AI to control synthetics, so they can control everything
- AI turns on Leviathans because it wants to control everything itself
- AI wants to use the Leviathans' genetic ability to control organics
- AI takes control of the organics' synthetics, and uses them to harvest the Leviathans.
- AI builds a machine that is a synthesis of two things: the Leviathan's genetic ability (to control organics) and the AI itself as its ruling mind (with the ability to control synthetics)

So, Harbinger, the first true Reaper, is a machine that can control both organics and synthetics = the Reaper AI = the one to "establish a connection between synthetics and organics".

It's all so clear now. So simple. So... perfect...

Edit:  Tawp.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 19 novembre 2012 - 04:05 .

[Restrider]

dorktainian wrote...

maybe harbinger wants to become human?

Not the Derelict Man Theory again...

On-Topic:
I have the following interpretations regarding the AI:

Harbinger turned on the AI=the Guardian and imprisoned it on the Citadel.
This would explain, why the Guardian can't make the different options happen. But why can the Guardian still control the ending options (Crucible beam, elevators and paths for instance)?

Harbinger turned on the AI and is an imposter at the end.
This is what Rif mentioned before. Harbinger tries to indoctrinate Shepard and knows that Shepard knows of the AI and thus uses this knowledge to convince Shepard to jump into the beam. But why did this happen even before Leviathan DLC was released?

Harbinger is the AI.
I think this one is the most likely. Isn't it the most logical way for an AI to use the most powerful platform available?


EDIT: Ninja'd [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Restrider, 19 novembre 2012 - 04:06 .