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[Fur28]

Eryri wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Am I the only one who liked Kai Leng's character? I don't like him, he's not likeable, but that's the point. He's basically evil Conrad Verner; he thinks he's super awesome an Shepard's equal and arch nemesis, but really he sucks.

He was a bit annoying - but that sort of worked. It made shutting him up once and for all in TIM's penthouse all the more satisfying.

Regarding annoying parts of the game, did anyone else want to slap the Virmire Survivor for stupidly walking right up behind Dr Eva, thereby allowing her to get the drop on them? That kind of Lawful Stupid behaviour makes me grind my teeth when I see it in a TV show or film.

seems like shepard it´s the only soldier in the unniverse who learned how to roll or avoid melee attack

Edit: woop triple kasumi banner page:D

Modifié par Fur28, 19 novembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[Eryri]

The other thing that mildly irritates me in the preceding scene, and on Thessia, is the way they all keep their guns trained on what is obviously just a hologram of TIM for about 5 minutes.

ffs you can see right through him!

Modifié par Eryri, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:11 .

[abnocte]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Well, you either get DLC that is useful and has plot relevant info, or you get DLC that doesn't add or do anything important. Since there's going to be DLC no matter what, I'd rather the former.

As for From Ashes, Javik is awesome. And yes, it adds some perspective for sure.

I certainly prefer "story" DLC, but if the DLC gets too relevant to the main plot... what is the point of buying the game by itself? It's like buying a bed without a matress... worthless.

If they think their games should cost 100€ so be it, but give a full experience from disc.


Anyway, I read some pages ago someone explaining how indoctrination works, how it changes the way the person thinks... funny that I had to read that here to see the parallel with ME2 Geth virus.

As Legion says the virus modifies basic runtime process and a result of x.11112 becomes x.11113 leading to higher level processes reaching different results.

Why I didn't realize before that we are actually talking about "indoctrinating" the Herethics? Shepard is the one to decide if we indoctrinate or destroy...

[Fur28]

Eryri wrote...

The other thing that mildly irritates me in the preceding scene, and on Thessia, is the way they all keep their guns trained on what is obviously just a hologram of TIM for about 5 minutes.

ffs you can see right through him!

In Thessia i always think they´re actually aiming at Kai Leng knowing the shots will pass throught the Hologram.
The Mars one is pretty stupid though, the VS is actually the smart one there for inspecting/securing the area

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Am I the only one who liked Kai Leng's character? I don't like him, he's not likeable, but that's the point. He's basically evil Conrad Verner; he thinks he's super awesome an Shepard's equal and arch nemesis, but really he sucks.

That's the thing though.  He's not supposed to really suck, he's really supposed to be an evil Shepard.  But he does really suck.  And that's sad.

[Andromidius]

BleedingUranium wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Harbinger IS the AI.

- Leviathans enthrall organic races
- Organics built synthetics to help them rebel (Because Leviathans can only control organics)
- Leviathans build AI to control synthetics, so they can control everything
- AI turns on Leviathans because it wants to control everything itself
- AI wants to use the Leviathans' genetic ability to control organics
- AI takes control of the organics' synthetics, and uses them to harvest the Leviathans.
- AI builds a machine that is a synthesis of two things: the Leviathan's genetic ability (to control organics) and the AI itself as its ruling mind (with the ability to control synthetics)

So, Harbinger, the first true Reaper, is a machine that can control both organics and synthetics = the Reaper AI = the one to "establish a connection between synthetics and organics".

It just makes so much sense!

Also, anything interesting in the last 10 pages? I wasn't here yesterday.

Also explains why the Leviathans don't consider the AI a failure.  Its doing exactly what they wanted to do.  And they think they can retake control and reap all the benefits, and have total dominance over the Galaxy.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Am I the only one who liked Kai Leng's character? I don't like him, he's not likeable, but that's the point. He's basically evil Conrad Verner; he thinks he's super awesome an Shepard's equal and arch nemesis, but really he sucks.

That's the thing though.  He's not supposed to really suck, he's really supposed to be an evil Shepard.  But he does really suck.  And that's sad.

Yeah, he's a comedy joke character that's taken seriously.

No, just no.

[Dwailing]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

I sort of like his character. He pisses you the hell off, and you hate him for being such an incompetent jackass, but thats kind of the point.

It also probably helps that I havent read Deception, where he is apparently the most stupid.

I read the rage comic, if that counts

The rage comic is pretty much identical to the book, sadly enough.  Everything that happens in the comic happens in the book.  Like the guy said, "Yes, this actually ****ing happens."

Edit: Oh, and I'm pretty sure the writing in the comic might be BETTER than the writing in the book.  Also, I still think that Casey giving it a positive review was intended to make us think he's completely incompetent as a writer so that the IT reveal will be even bigger.

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:47 .

[demersel]

What bothers me, is that Legion chose synthesis, if you think about it.

[Dwailing]

Also, I've been writing a couple of papers about Dante's Inferno, and all I can say is that I think the BioWare writers must have read it, because the symbolism in the endings and the game reminds me of how the Inferno is written.

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

What bothers me, is that Legion chose synthesis, if you think about it.

Remember, Synthesis as a concept is not bad, it's just that the way it's used in the context of the endings is bad.  Also, if the only way to save my race from extinction was to do what Legion did, I would do it.

[hukbum]

demersel wrote...

What bothers me, is that Legion chose synthesis, if you think about it.

I don't know. Legion became some sort of individual in the end. What makes you think Legion would chose synthesis?

[401 Kill]

demersel wrote...

What bothers me, is that Legion chose synthesis, if you think about it.

He uploaded code from the Reapers to enhance the Geths ability, he didn't gain full understanding of Organics. At least from my understanding, Legion showed signs of organic feelings since before ME2: his N7 armor.

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

What bothers me, is that Legion chose synthesis, if you think about it.

Remember, Synthesis as a concept is not bad, it's just that the way it's used in the context of the endings is bad.  Also, if the only way to save my race from extinction was to do what Legion did, I would do it.

I know, and of course there is the fact that his situation differs from ours.  Geth are different beings, and they exist differently - so different rules apply. That is why i rewrote the heretics, but destroyed the base (i do not imply that the two are in anyway connected, quite the opposite in fact). But still there is the fact that Legion chose to forgo making their own future, by choosing the quick path, made possible by the reapers. 

[demersel]

401 Kill wrote...



He uploaded code from the Reapers to enhance the Geths ability, he didn't gain full understanding of Organics. At least from my understanding, Legion showed signs of organic feelings since before ME2: his N7 armor.

That's the part that bothers me, I don't care about full understanding of organics, i think that this is a big load of bull****. 

When does taking something from the reapers to enhance own abilities worked well in the long run? 
And BTW, I disagree with curing the genophage, and the way it happened  (just like that, by a push of a button). And so did Mordin BTW. He just admitted that the situation demands the genophage cured at once - that is why he was doing it. That, and guilt. and we know that you shouldn't do anything hasty out of guilt. Wasn't it guilt that the reapers tried to exploit in shepard's dreams and the whole boy thing? 

Modifié par demersel, 19 novembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[Andromidius]

demersel wrote...

What bothers me, is that Legion chose synthesis, if you think about it.

Eh...  I don't see it that way.  It has similarities, but its not the same as the Reaper's solution.

[spotlessvoid]

What Legion did was different. Being that the geth are a consensus, I would assume that Legion uploading himself happens with the consent of the geth. It also isn't permanently changing the essence of all life in the galaxy. If anything, it's foreshadowing for the "right" way tp do synthesis, completely contrasting with how it's presented in the ending.

[hukbum]

demersel wrote...

401 Kill wrote...



He uploaded code from the Reapers to enhance the Geths ability, he didn't gain full understanding of Organics. At least from my understanding, Legion showed signs of organic feelings since before ME2: his N7 armor.

That's the part that bothers me, I don't care about full understanding of organics, i think that this is a big load of bull****.

BW had to do it. Doesn't really make sense (imo) but they had to. It's the only logical way to kill them with the Reapers.
But it still is against everything Legion was talking about before ...

[401 Kill]

demersel wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...
What bothers me, is that Legion chose synthesis, if you think about it.

Remember, Synthesis as a concept is not bad, it's just that the way it's used in the context of the endings is bad.  Also, if the only way to save my race from extinction was to do what Legion did, I would do it.

I know, and of course there is the fact that his situation differs from ours.  Geth are different beings, and they exist differently - so different rules apply. That is why i rewrote the heretics, but destroyed the base (i do not imply that the two are in anyway connected, quite the opposite in fact). But still there is the fact that Legion chose to forgo making their own future, by choosing the quick path, made possible by the reapers. 

Was it ever pointed out that Legion supported that? I thought it was implied that Legion opposed this alliance "evidently, it was an acceptable trade." He also freed the Geth from Reaper control, Legion knew that the Reapers care as much about organics as synthetics. He only accepted the code, because it made each Geth a true intelligence. Remember, Shepard can use Reaper tech to improve himself I think (via glyph from that terminal in Liara's room.

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

What Legion did was different. Being that the geth are a consensus, I would assume that Legion uploading himself happens with the consent of the geth. It also isn't permanently changing the essence of all life in the galaxy. If anything, it's foreshadowing for the "right" way tp do synthesis, completely contrasting with how it's presented in the ending.

Yes, but there are similarities - Let's say Legion = Geth's Shepard - he disperses his essense and dies to make this change on the other geth (who did not get to have say by the way, it was legion's decision). 

[Andromidius]

Plus the Geth concented to it. For them it was in line with their goals of becoming True AI.

Synthesis wasn't concented at all. No-one bar Shepard even knew about it. And it wasn't the goal of Organics, the goal was 'to defeat the Reapers and hopefully live'.

[demersel]

401 Kill wrote...
Was it ever pointed out that Legion supported that? I thought it was implied that Legion opposed this alliance "evidently, it was an acceptable trade." He also freed the Geth from Reaper control, Legion knew that the Reapers care as much about organics as synthetics. He only accepted the code, because it made each Geth a true intelligence. Remember, Shepard can use Reaper tech to improve himself I think (via glyph from that terminal in Liara's room.

Don't get me started on GLYPH.  And the fact that shepard willingly implants himself with reaper tech?  Let's just say Saren died in vain. 

[Dwailing]

spotlessvoid wrote...

What Legion did was different. Being that the geth are a consensus, I would assume that Legion uploading himself happens with the consent of the geth. It also isn't permanently changing the essence of all life in the galaxy. If anything, it's foreshadowing for the "right" way tp do synthesis, completely contrasting with how it's presented in the ending.

I agree with this.  Since Legion is connected to the Geth Consensus (It'd have to be for it to be able to disperse its personalities across the Geth), it's very probable that the Geth were able to think it over.  Also, remember that they think at light speed, meaning that in the time between the destruction of the Reaper and the dispersal of Legion's programs, they probably were able to talk it over and come to a conclusion.

[401 Kill]

demersel wrote...

Don't get me started on GLYPH.  And the fact that shepard willingly implants himself with reaper tech?  Let's just say Saren died in vain. 

As did every Cerberus soldier!!


Edit: The year was 1926...

Modifié par 401 Kill, 19 novembre 2012 - 10:15 .

[Dwailing]

By the way, anyone listened to this yet? It's awesome.