TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
Or they just rebelled againt their creators and had to be eliminated.byne wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
SAREN ANGRY!
SAREN SMASH!
No, probably because if they had responded to the Reaper signals they way they were supposed to, Saren wouldnt have had to go through all the trouble he went through to.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
Modifié par masster blaster, 05 août 2012 - 01:17 .
Modifié par paxxton, 05 août 2012 - 01:20 .
Modifié par masster blaster, 05 août 2012 - 01:29 .
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
byne wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
SAREN ANGRY!
SAREN SMASH!
No, probably because if they had responded to the Reaper signals they way they were supposed to, Saren wouldnt have had to go through all the trouble he went through to.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
masster blaster wrote...
Wait didn't the EC files on the Leviathan say that Leviathan can kick Shepard out of his mind. I think that could explain why we have the Breath scene at all, because Leviathan managed to kick Shepard out of harbingers mind.
byne wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
SAREN ANGRY!
SAREN SMASH!
No, probably because if they had responded to the Reaper signals they way they were supposed to, Saren wouldnt have had to go through all the trouble he went through to.
starlitegirlx wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
Wait didn't the EC files on the Leviathan say that Leviathan can kick Shepard out of his mind. I think that could explain why we have the Breath scene at all, because Leviathan managed to kick Shepard out of harbingers mind.
I thought it was because he choose destroy which caused them to lose total ability to manipulate him/her. He rejected their indoctrinate attempt and so they lost him and could no longer keep him. He was destroying them. How can you manipulate someone who is dead set to destroy you? If could have been leviathan but why wait so long? Wasn't leviathian supposedly flying around before shep was even hit. That documentary showed it in the background before shep was hit with the beam or it at least guessed that it was leviathan.
Yet didn't leviathan indoctrinate an entire colony and kill them or something? Wasn't that learned from Balik at some point after the earlier DLC he was in provided he survived.
Sovereign had to directly interact with the Citadel in order to override the Keeper signal. Saren's (Sovereign) plan required a ground force to suppress Citadel forces and keep the arms open long enough for Sovereign to do so, as well as the Geth fleet to keep the Citadel fleet busy. So no, even if Saren could have waltzed into the Council room and accessed the control panel without suspicion (which is a big assumption on its own), it would've accomplished nothing.TJBartlemus wrote...
byne wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
SAREN ANGRY!
SAREN SMASH!
No, probably because if they had responded to the Reaper signals they way they were supposed to, Saren wouldnt have had to go through all the trouble he went through to.
But he didn't need to go through the trouble. Saren only needed the Conduit to get onto the Citadel because he betrayed the Council when he attacked Eden Prime to find the Conduit. If he had skipped the Conduit, he could have just walked right into the Citadel and called in the Reapers.As a specter he is allowed to go to the council room without permission or at least they wouldn't try to stop them. Once they noticed what he was doing they would question him but by then it would be too late to stop cause the Reapers would have come.
Also I was watching this over again and noticed something I didn't the first time. Major Coats is on the outside of the shuttle, and when the shuttle lands he teleports into the shuttle. That means that it wasn't reusing assets and dead set intentional use of the model. WTF. That also means the Citadel Coats is also intentional. (And literalist still think there's nothing wrong... <_<)
Modifié par Big_Boss9, 05 août 2012 - 01:48 .
Modifié par paxxton, 05 août 2012 - 01:45 .
The "caution" label is on every Kodiak I think. But, it is not always made visible.paxxton wrote...
TJ, did you notice how the text "CAUTION" was clearly visible on that Shuttle Shepard jumps on. The same was with the kid in Vancouver.
http://www.youtube.c...OGUx2huw#t=163s
Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 05 août 2012 - 01:47 .
And there is something wrong with the shuttle.Chriz Tah Fah wrote...
The "caution" label is on every Kodiak I think. But, it is not always made visible.paxxton wrote...
TJ, did you notice how the text "CAUTION" was clearly visible on that Shuttle Shepard jumps on. The same was with the kid in Vancouver.
http://www.youtube.c...OGUx2huw#t=163s
I don't think it is visible in any other circumstance besides the starkid/when something is wrong.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
Big_Boss9 wrote...
Sovereign had to directly interact with the Citadel in order to override the Keeper signal. Saren's (Sovereign) plan required a ground force to suppress Citadel forces and keep the arms closed long enough for Sovereign to do so, as well as the Geth fleet to keep the Citadel fleet busy. So no, even if Saren could have waltzed into the Council room and accessed the control panel, it would've accomplished nothing.
Modifié par TJBartlemus, 05 août 2012 - 01:57 .
TJBartlemus wrote...
Okay. 1- He already had a force ready. The geth +sovereign. 2- They were an unknown threat. 3- No one suspected Saren before Eden Prime. There for he didn't need a ground force. And if he did, he could hire some, indoctrinate them and bring them with him on the way. So the conduit was entirely unneeded cause all those points you said he has already + being unsuspected. The fleet would be completly surprised and no reinforcements would have come in time. After eden prime he was suspected and lost the element of surprise.
Modifié par Big_Boss9, 05 août 2012 - 01:55 .
Modifié par Home run MF, 05 août 2012 - 02:00 .
I see what you did therepaxxton wrote...
Or they just rebelled againt their creators and had to be eliminated.byne wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Quick question. Since the Keepers are the servants of the Reapers, and Saren was working with the Reapers...why does he kill the keepers he sees on his way to the control panel to activate the Citadel?
SAREN ANGRY!
SAREN SMASH!
No, probably because if they had responded to the Reaper signals they way they were supposed to, Saren wouldnt have had to go through all the trouble he went through to.
masster blaster wrote...
starlitegirlx wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
Wait didn't the EC files on the Leviathan say that Leviathan can kick Shepard out of his mind. I think that could explain why we have the Breath scene at all, because Leviathan managed to kick Shepard out of harbingers mind.
I thought it was because he choose destroy which caused them to lose total ability to manipulate him/her. He rejected their indoctrinate attempt and so they lost him and could no longer keep him. He was destroying them. How can you manipulate someone who is dead set to destroy you? If could have been leviathan but why wait so long? Wasn't leviathian supposedly flying around before shep was even hit. That documentary showed it in the background before shep was hit with the beam or it at least guessed that it was leviathan.
Yet didn't leviathan indoctrinate an entire colony and kill them or something? Wasn't that learned from Balik at some point after the earlier DLC he was in provided he survived.
From what we know about Leviathan from the files, it has the power to realse Indoctinated agents so maybe.That's the reason why Shepard wakes up in Destroy.
Big_Boss9 wrote...
What is the first thing ordered when Sovereign and the Geth arrive? To close the Citadel arms. Without the surprise attack inside the Citadel from the overwhelming force of Saren/Geth via the conduit, the arms would close and the plan fails. Sovereign can derp outside the Citadel all day and it won't open. You are also assuming that the particular control panel can be accessed by anyone who is a Spectre. Again, there is no basis for that assumption.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
TJBartlemus wrote...
Okay. 1- He already had a force ready. The geth +sovereign. 2- They were an unknown threat. 3- No one suspected Saren before Eden Prime. There for he didn't need a ground force. And if he did, he could hire some, indoctrinate them and bring them with him on the way. So the conduit was entirely unneeded cause all those points you said he has already + being unsuspected. The fleet would be completly surprised and no reinforcements would have come in time. After eden prime he was suspected and lost the element of surprise.
Once again, as I said earlier, the marketing and need to keep players invested in a supposed end to a trilogy is probably a lot different than for a sequel. Elements like this affecting catalyst dialogue (and whatever else Bioware is planning) should be expected in sp dlc because it would generally keep them invested and make that investment worth it., as opposed to a particular gaming site's point of view that feeds off the lingering anger of Mass Effect's fanbase(HRRGRHHIGNERHERUH). Hell, Priestly even went toward confirming this in that lockdown message earlier.RussianZombeh wrote...
...munnellyladt wrote...
You know what I just thought?
What if all the sp dlc gives you more evidence not to trust the catalyst,since the new dlc proves that the catalyst does not control the reapers and maybe the next dlc will tell you something more about why you should not trust him.
Just a thought.....
Is it weird that I actually like the sound of this?
I can see conversing with a Reaper maybe shedding light on whether or not Shepard is Indoctrinated. More and more DLC could eventually make Shepard realise he is Indoctrinated and change the ending.
Although, if this were the case - that would make Bioware money ****s for making you pay for the real ending.
I don't know, but I really like the idea munnelly proposed.
SOMEONE GET BIOWARE ON THE PHONE.
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