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[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys what Control really means than what we have speculated about. Controls let's you Control the Reapers right in literal ending, but it is you that's being Controlled by the Star brat right, but have we speculated that it's symbolic.

The brat over saw the Organics vs Synthetic war right, just like Shepard does to. The brat trys to find was to stop the Organics vs Synthetic war, just like Shepard. When the brat only see to harvest the Organics, and Synthetics, he has a problem he can't Control the Organics because they are not Synthetics like he is.

So the brat harvested his creators powers to only Control the Organics creating the Synthetics, and to stop the war, yet it was the Leviathans own powers that corrupted the brat which then it called himself Harbinger because that's what the Leviathans wanted to becalled. I mean the Leviathans that are inside Harbinger's body. In a sense The brat wabted to Control the cycles future, to Control everyones lives, what we do, what we think, what we feel, what we learn. He wants to Control it all.

Shepard in Control is setting himself/herself up to become the what the brat is. Although it says Shepard will Control the Reapers he is lying. Shepard is just going to become a Reaper just like the brat, only Shepard is now the new Nazar. The race that gave Harbinger the most trouble. Hence Shepard is Harbinger second in command now. Shepard is the Catalyst reborn again, and now the brat has some just like him to talk to, and harvest with.

[GhostShadow115]

Bardox9 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Can I have a question...?

Does anyone now what people are talking in the "View War Assets" room on the Normandy...?

Out side the comm room in the war room the center piece has a console you can click on to show you you war assets and galactic readyness.

Yes... I know that... but, what are people muttering about in there...? I heard things like  "They through the breach" and such...

[BleedingUranium]

masster blaster wrote...

Synthesis now that's where the trouble is. The brat saw that after he controlled the Organics, and the Synthetics, that they are not like him. The apex of evolution. So what the brat did was he ordered the Synthetics to round up the dead/lving organics under Harbingers Control, and turned them into genetic material. Then when that was done Harbinger told the Synthetics to build him Reapers made out in his design, and boom. Thus the Reaper Destroyers are born. I say Reaper Destroyers because most of the Reaper fleet/army are Destroyers. Why not so many capital ships is because their isn't a single person/races to match what the brat wanted. The brat want perfection, and the ultimate Reaper it creates is the Reaper capital Ships.

Over time it tried to find more ways to see if Oragnics, and Synthetics could unlock the Synthesis DNA for it's perfection. Remeber Harbinger is imperfect right now. You can say he is like cell for DBZ.

Cell want's perfection, as does Harbinger, but Cell needs the Andriods 17, and 18 to become The Perfect Cell, as does Harbinger needs the genetic material of pure Synthesis DNA.

That's when Shepard comes in. Harbinger saw Shepard, and his/her races diffrent for anything he has ever seen. Once Shepard died he wanted to study Shepard to see what makes this one human special, but Cerberus, well Liara got to Shepard in time and brought him/er her back to life.

But this only made Harbinger test on Shepard more intresting. It's Shepard's humanity, emotions,personality, and friends that made him/her so special. Plus the upgrades he/she has in her body.

Anyways the brat/Harbinger saw that Shepard is the FINAL step towards Harbingers/ his true form. Hence he becomes perfect. Everything that Shepard is is sent ot Harbinger to become 1 with him.

MB there's no such thing as Synthesis DNA. The Reapers use our material to make more of themselves, that's it; that's all their interested in. And they never settle for less than the best.

There's no such thing as Synthesis anything in the context of the kid, it's just a fancy cover because asking Shepard if he wants to turn everyone into a Reaper would be to direct. He's only on his second date with Shepard afterall, he doesn't want to rush things, it might make Shepard uncomfortable.

[jojon2se]

BleedingUranium wrote...

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TIM is all the people that thought they could control the One Ring, while Saren is basically Saruman.

Hmm, Movie Saruman, then, I take it?
The one from the book was playing his own game, as far as I recall - TIMmie style. :7

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Bardox9 wrote...

First. thanks for the welcome to the thread. I am surprised how many responded to the post. Thanks to all. I'm going to try to get to everyone. If I miss you don't take it personally. There is a lot to respond to.

I know there is alot of speculation in my theory, but so can be said for all IT's. The stone debris could be just junks of solid metal that's been shred as bad as shep's armor. It still think he never left the side of anderson. And I don't think anyone believes shep is awake when he meets the catalyst.

Got me on the marauder bit, He did get shot in the shoulder. Be he was favoring his left side from the moment he stood up after getting hit my harbinger. I just can't believe he shot himself and had zero reaction from it. Hallucination or not you react when you get shot. As to the telepathy thing, I just used that word in place of harmonics or ambient frequencies or what ever it is that lets the reaper mess with your head. And i didn't say the destruction path leads to destruction of all machinery. Just synthetic life and the reaper constructs. Everything else should have been relatively uneffected. And I believe that little creep about as much as I believe Shepard would commit genocide on the geth, fry EDI, and kill everyone who depends on synthetic parts to live. It is reaching I give you that, but every IT I've read so far has taken liberties as to what is possible. Besides, it's just the theory that my mind (screwed up as it is) came up with... against my will I might add. lol

Shepard is an anomaly. His battles through his fight against the reapers, collectors and cerberus have shown is awesomeness and should be hailed as a symbol of hope to the galaxy. But with all those enemies dealt with he's just another soldier. Or so he claims. Even without those enemies, he still managed to pull every space faring race under one banner. Who you top that along with saving everyone from real monster I can't imagine. As to the human shaped reaper, perhaps shepard impressed harbinger enough to create a new class of reaper. Or maybe ever race get's their own reaper shell and that's why harbinger class and destroyer class is so huge. A protective shell or someting. Your guess is as good as mine... the cuttlefish thing is just funny btw. I think they look like 2 km long calamari and the destroyer class does look like a giant beetle.

Think that's everyone. It's just my theory. Doesn't have anymore believability than most others out there. Only tried the destroy and do onthing endings once each then reloaded from last save to pick one of the other two. Destroy and do nothing just aren't options any of my shepards would choose. Doesn't feel right to me. I like the control ending. Goes well with the legend of "The Shepard". The immortal guardian watching over all. Synthesis is ok. Of the options of death by reaper, glowing green bits, and galactic peace; I'd go with the glow. Would anyone really say no? If there would be then... well... tough. Deal with it.

I never said you said Destroy destroyed all technology, but the Catalyst does: "The Crucible will not discrimenate, all Synthetics will be targeted" , "Technology you rely on will be affected, but those who survive should have little trouble repearing the damage."

In short going by that line Life support, computers, Space ships, everything will be shut down or fried. In Shepards case that means he is doomed as the Citadel would lose any life support (not that he should not allready be dead after beeing engulfed in a miles wide fireball). It also is unpleasant to think that every ship hit by the wave should be shut down as well, meaning the crew better get it back up fast.

Also could you detail the parts of IT you see as reaching? Sure I have seen theories which reach, like the TIM beeing a Reaper discussion currently running, but the core of IT, the bits purely related to Indoctrination, the symptoms Shepard shows and the Themes build up across the series seem solid to me.

If there is a place we are reaching please point it out. We are always trying to refine the theory and largely have only gone into the wild speculations due to lacking core stuff to discuss.

[BleedingUranium]

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Bardox9 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Can I have a question...?

Does anyone now what people are talking in the "View War Assets" room on the Normandy...?

Out side the comm room in the war room the center piece has a console you can click on to show you you war assets and galactic readyness.

Yes... I know that... but, what are people muttering about in there...? I heard things like  "They through the breach" and such...

Hmm, I didn't know they talked. Keep asking until someone knows

[BleedingUranium]

jojon2se wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

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TIM is all the people that thought they could control the One Ring, while Saren is basically Saruman.

Hmm, Movie Saruman, then, I take it?
The one from the book was playing his own game, as far as I recall - TIMmie style. :7

I haven't read the books, so yeah, Movie Saruman.

Note to self: I need to read them.


Well, I'm off to bed, goodnight everyone!

[Bardox9]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys what Control really means than what we have speculated about. Controls let's you Control the Reapers right in literal ending, but it is you that's being Controlled by the Star brat right, but have we speculated that it's symbolic.

The brat over saw the Organics vs Synthetic war right, just like Shepard does to. The brat trys to find was to stop the Organics vs Synthetic war, just like Shepard. When the brat only see to harvest the Organics, and Synthetics, he has a problem he can't Control the Organics because they are not Synthetics like he is.

So the brat harvested his creators powers to only Control the Organics creating the Synthetics, and to stop the war, yet it was the Leviathans own powers that corrupted the brat which then it called himself Harbinger because that's what the Leviathans wanted to becalled. I mean the Leviathans that are inside Harbinger's body. In a sense The brat wabted to Control the cycles future, to Control everyones lives, what we do, what we think, what we feel, what we learn. He wants to Control it all.

Shepard in Control is setting himself/herself up to become the what the brat is. Although it says Shepard will Control the Reapers he is lying. Shepard is just going to become a Reaper just like the brat, only Shepard is now the new Nazar. The race that gave Harbinger the most trouble. Hence Shepard is Harbinger second in command now. Shepard is the Catalyst reborn again, and now the brat has some just like him to talk to, and harvest with.

Some of this I agree with and some I don't. Shep is the catalyst reborn. Atleast that was the idea. I think the brat was replaced or maybe I should say upgraded to Shpeard 2.0 or whatever you want to call it. The Catalyst purpose was to preserve the organic and synthetic life of each cycle and did it by making them into a reaper. From can tell, reapers are just tools of the catalyst to fulfill the function it desires. In the brats case, it was to preserve the culture and... esseces of the races of each cycle that was harvested. Shepards purpose was different as his goal was to defend the races of this cycle. I do think that the reapers didn't have any real interest in war as much as they did in going about the most efficient method of acheiving their goal. Their method was just twisted by an out of control AI "brat" as you say.

I still say Nazara sounds better than sovereign.

[masster blaster]

Guys that's why Grunt is not in Synthesis. Grunt is pure, as in he is tank born. He was not born as an Organic should be, but he is pure. He is the only Krogan in ME2 with no Geno at all. Yet he is not in Systhesis. It's because Grunts DNA is pure Organic. Synthesis can't infect Grunt because he is a pure Krogan tank born. You also got to realize we are his battle master. What if Grunt nooooo.

Dam it Grunt could not be in Synthesis because he pushes Shepard out of the way and....nooooo. That's if you let him live, but what if that's the case.

Oh crap that could be why. Maybe destroy doesn't kill the Geth, and EDI the way we think, but saving Shepard. It's just speculation, but....

[Bardox9]

BleedingUranium wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Bardox9 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Can I have a question...?

Does anyone now what people are talking in the "View War Assets" room on the Normandy...?

Out side the comm room in the war room the center piece has a console you can click on to show you you war assets and galactic readyness.

Yes... I know that... but, what are people muttering about in there...? I heard things like  "They through the breach" and such...

Hmm, I didn't know they talked. Keep asking until someone knows

I don't remember anyone talking in there except for when the quarians were in there.

[masster blaster]

No blurr not really Synthesis DNA, but a protntial canadit for the FINAL evoulation of the Reapers. Shepard is the key/ Catalyst. If the Reapers use Shepard's Genetic material they become perfect, hence in Synthesis everything is perfect symbolishing you made the Reapers complete, as in they are now more powerful than ever. Thanks to the Catalyst Shepard. Now I am not saying what you saw happened, but more like Harbinger sent out Shepard when Shepard ran into the Conduit, and uploaded Shepard's genetic material to every Reaper in the galaxy through the Reaper net work.

[masster blaster]

Restrider wrote...

----------Preamble----------

This list has been compiled to enable an easy access to The Indoctrination Theory. While there are many other aspects, hints and signs throughout Mass Effect 3 and the entire trilogy that may also point to The Indoctrination Theory, the concepts presented in this list are - to the best of my knowledge - the most compelling ones. Take into account that my role in this undertaking was mainly the role of an editor, though many broader suggestions I found to be convincing, made it into the list. The vast majority of the points listed below were reported by fellow associates of The Indoctrination Theory and they deserve the correspondent gratitude.
The order of the list was determined through surveys and polls that can be found here.

----------The Ten Most Important Concepts Supporting The Indoctrination Theory----------

     
        I) Indoctrination in general :

          1.   Regarding IT, Shepard is in the process of indoctrination and the outcome is decided by the final decision taken.
          2.   The concept of indoctrination is a crucial part throughout the trilogy and nothing new to the player (link 1 and 2).
          3.   Rana Thanoptis is an example of how subtle and slow indoctrination can be.
          4.   Shepard knocked out for two days by a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated an entire facility.
          5.   Logs on the derelict Reaper illustrate the reactions of victims of indoctrination.
          6.   Paul Grayson's indoctrination show its effects on someone's mind.
          7.   Harbinger's smacktalk (link 1 and 2).

 
       II) The Breath Scene :

          1.   London rubble.
          2.   Mako in the background.
          3.   Citadel explosion (link 1 and 2).


    III) The Dreams :
         
          1.   Dream sequences and post-beam sequence share the same game mechanics.
          2.   Reality-nonreality transition after beam shot (post-beam, dreams, Geth Consensus).
          3.   Oily shadows and whispering.
          4.   Nightmares are mentioned in the Arrival by subjects being indoctrinated.
          5.   Chambers and Asari having PTSD as comparison between PTSD & Shepard's dreams.


    IV) Leviathan :

          1.   Harbinger/the Reapers perfected enthrallment to indoctrination.
          2.   Enthrallment uses memories of its victim.
          3.   Similarities between Leviathan end and decision chamber.
          4.   Zap sound as a sign to enter/leave virtual reality (link 1 and 2).
          5.   Note the file name of the sixth murder that can be found in Bryson's lab.


     V) The Choices :

          1.   Shepard on his knees happened only during/after some mind control.
          2.   The Guardian is aligned to the Reapers.
          3.   Control and Synthesis being supported by indoctrinated characters.
          4.   A swap in the colours (TIM = Paragon; Anderson = Renegade).
          5.   Huskification during Control/Synthesis vs. Shepard gaining strength while shooting the tubes.
          6.   Guardian losing it when you refuse ("SO BE IT!").
          7.   Decision chamber looks like a dialogue wheel from an aerial view.
          8.   Decision chamber resembling beam scenery (link 1 and 2).
          9.   Ambiguous end dialogue (Control/Synthesis).
        10.   Slide shows in Control/Synthesis/Destroy illustrate future possibilities, not facts that already happened.
        11.   Soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercely while in Control/Synthesis they are losing (note: no cheering in Synthesis).


    VI) The Kid :

         1.   Moves from one roof to another during an invasion (all links).
         2.   It can open a door that is marked as locked.
         3.   It survives a blast from a Reaper laser.
         4.   It is not seen by anyone else.
         5.   There always are warning symbols around it.
         6.   It disappears without making any noise.
         7.   It does not behave like a normal kid ("You cannot save me!").
         8.   The Guardian has the same form as the kid.


   VII) Anderson & TIM :

         1.   How did Anderson follow Shepard?
         2.   How can Anderson reach the control first?
         3.   Why did no one else follow Anderson?
         4.   From where did TIM shows up?
         5.   TIM's scars are only present at the end of the game.
         6.   Anderson may be addressing Shepard ("They are controlling you!").
         7.   Shepard is dominated by TIM and thus through him by the Reapers.
         8.   Anderson and Shepard have wounds at the same place (link 1 and 2).
         9.   Reaper horn played in the background (at 1/2 speed).


  VIII) The Guardian :

         1.   It has the same shape as the kid ( thus an extraction of Shepard's memories).
         2.   It speaks with femshep's and maleshep's voice.
         3.   Harbinger's line in the MP trailer (link 1 and 2).


    IX) The Beam Run :

        1.   Harbinger is pin-pointing everyone and everything but Shepard.
        2.   Harbinger does not destroy the Normandy.
        3.   Shepard survives a blast that should one-shot Makos and Gunships.
        4.   Harbinger just leaves.


     X) The Citadel :

        1.   The Citadel resembles events of the past.
        2.   You can find Coats dead on the Citadel.
        3.   The illumination without a specific source.

----------Epilogue----------

I would again like to thank everyone that has contributed to this list and if only a single person gains a broader perspective of The Indoctrination Theory through this list, the porpuse of this undertaking has been fulfilled and not in vain. This list may seem to be complete, but there are certainly going to be new discoveries in the course of exploring new content and I will try to adjust this list accordingly.


Version 1.0  (23.10.2012)

[dorktainian]

Reaper brains out of human goo. What next? Science fiction at least has to have an element of Science about it. Goo does not make brains. DNA does not make brains. Pumping human goo into terminators skull serves what purpose? Does each reaper symbolise purgatory? What the hell is going on Bioware?

[Bardox9]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Also could you detail the parts of IT you see as reaching? Sure I have seen theories which reach, like the TIM beeing a Reaper discussion currently running, but the core of IT, the bits purely related to Indoctrination, the symptoms Shepard shows and the Themes build up across the series seem solid to me.

I agree shep was being indoctrinated, but it was nowhere near TIM's level of screwed. TIM couldn't take a single action the catalyst didn't approve of where as Shep, I think, could still defy it.

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

If there is a place we are reaching please point it out. We are always trying to refine the theory and largely have only gone into the wild speculations due to lacking core stuff to discuss.

I think the bizarro endings were design to prevent a core belief. That way we keep guessing and the bioware team gets a feel for where we want things to go next as the fans.

[masster blaster]

Bard that's just it about Synthesis you become the very thing that you vowed to stop. " I am going to win this war and I am going to send the Reapers back to hell from once they came from" Synthesis is bs because no un Indoctrinaed right mind would want it. Archer realized this once you smacked some sense into him, and even if you didn't.

That also goes for Control. Yes you can Control, but who is Controlling who, and how long can you main tain Control over something far beyond your mind can take you?

[masster blaster]

Okay guys I am going to bed night.

[jojon2se]

dorktainian wrote...

Reaper brains out of human goo. What next? Science fiction at least has to have an element of Science about it. Goo does not make brains. DNA does not make brains. Pumping human goo into terminators skull serves what purpose? Does each reaper symbolise purgatory? What the hell is going on Bioware?

"Goo" or "goo"?

There's a difference between taking apart an ancient book and treat the pages with preservants, and throwing it in a blender to make papier maché.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

dorktainian wrote...

Reaper brains out of human goo. What next? Science fiction at least has to have an element of Science about it. Goo does not make brains. DNA does not make brains. Pumping human goo into terminators skull serves what purpose? Does each reaper symbolise purgatory? What the hell is going on Bioware?

I don't think the "human goo" becomes the "brain" of a Reaper, rather the goo is fused with some kind of Reaper tech we don't have a name for (seen somewhat in ME2) and the combination is used to create everything a Reaper is; cables, plates, armoring, firing chambers, eyes, mind, voice, etc. In that sense, a species makes the Reaper what it is.

[CoolioThane]

 If ME4 is a prequel I'll die inside

[MaximizedAction]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Reaper brains out of human goo. What next? Science fiction at least has to have an element of Science about it. Goo does not make brains. DNA does not make brains. Pumping human goo into terminators skull serves what purpose? Does each reaper symbolise purgatory? What the hell is going on Bioware?

I don't think the "human goo" becomes the "brain" of a Reaper, rather the goo is fused with some kind of Reaper tech we don't have a name for (seen somewhat in ME2) and the combination is used to create everything a Reaper is; cables, plates, armoring, firing chambers, eyes, mind, voice, etc. In that sense, a species makes the Reaper what it is.

I still agree that his seems slightly un-hard-scifi-y. It resembles what crazy ***** say when they say "when I eat him he'll become part of me".

It's like a fireplace horror tale. If anything then this has to be an oversimplifaction of what is a highly complicated and advanced mechanism....however, I'm struggling to see how complete goo-ification can be successful at extracting anything important (that has to be of complex structure). What this can server, however is as something like a medium for Reaper functionality, not the defining functionality itself.
...which still seems kinda dramatic...but hey, at least it stufficices the explaination that we are just part of their reproductive cycle and just the vomit that the parents feed their babies with (I mean birds).

Be creative.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[MegumiAzusa]

I just noticed/remembered something:
when harby shot at you and you get up and move away from the beam you just collapse... in the book where grayson is controlled by the reapers it was the same when they hadn't full control (to preserve power) when he acted as they wanted he felt good etc, but when he tried to go the other way he first collapsed, and later where it was basically the same he just got super tired etc until persuaded to go the way they want

[gunslinger_ruiz]

CoolioThane wrote...

 If ME4 is a prequel I'll die inside

Depending on what the prequel is of, I may be dissapointed. The First Contact War starring Anderson, The Krogan Rebellions starring a cast of Turian and Asari, The Rachni Wars, The Prothean's history, maybe even the Leviathan's first skirmish with the Reapers, all have the same ending. The Reapers decimate them, and Shepard makes his/her journey and his/her final choice.

But I'll still buy, play, and enjoy it, I'm sure of that. I just won't enjoy it as much as a sequel....which (if IT is not true) is going to be a hard one to pull off given teh gravity of our ending choices in 3. Each one affects the galaxy in a very different way.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Bardox9 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Also could you detail the parts of IT you see as reaching? Sure I have seen theories which reach, like the TIM beeing a Reaper discussion currently running, but the core of IT, the bits purely related to Indoctrination, the symptoms Shepard shows and the Themes build up across the series seem solid to me.

I agree shep was being indoctrinated, but it was nowhere near TIM's level of screwed. TIM couldn't take a single action the catalyst didn't approve of where as Shep, I think, could still defy it.

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

If there is a place we are reaching please point it out. We are always trying to refine the theory and largely have only gone into the wild speculations due to lacking core stuff to discuss.

I think the bizarro endings were design to prevent a core belief. That way we keep guessing and the bioware team gets a feel for where we want things to go next as the fans.

While TIM was certainly Indoctrinated we dont know to what point yet. He was probably somewhere near Saren level though.

But some of what you say is actually one of the key things about IT which many dont seem to grasp. We are not saying Shepard is Indoctrinated, we are syaing he is in the process of Indoctrination. The symptoms are obvious and though similar to PTSD Bioware included two cases of real PTSD disproving that notion.

But anyway according to IT the TIM  and Catalyst scenes are the breaking point, the moment where Shepard jumps from "In the process" to "Indoctrinated."

Essentially the way i see it the TIM scene is the Indoctrination trying to forcefully overcome Shepards will. Only those with a strong will ever make it past this point, people like TIM and Saren.

The Catalyst scene is then the next step. With Shepard having defeated the direct attck upon his mind the Reapers (Harbinger) resort to trickery, manipulating Shepard into aligning with the Reapers agenda of his own free will and thus succumbing.

Imgaine TIM and Saren, they probably went throughsomething similar. Maybe not full blown Illusion, but beeing the extraordinary individuals they are they probably probably did not succumb immediately and instead the Reapers nudged at their mind, making choices which would benefit the Reapers seem plasuible and acceptable to those two. Essentially Control (TIM) and Synthesis (Saren).

Also Shepard is no more immune to Indoctrination or resistant for that matter as Leviathan establishes by having Leviathan mind controlling Shepard as easily as it did anyone else and even commenting how the Reapers have perfected that ability. Shepard simply has the will and determination to potentially break free if the IT is correct.

I am not mistaken when I guess that you choose Control out of a desire to protect the universe, to not sacrifice EDI and the Geth, am I? If so have you considered that just about every case of control in the past has ended horribly, that it is TIM, an Indoctrinated individual who is advertising it?

Overlord shows how horrible experiments in Control can go, the Krogan Genophage a horrible mistake was enacted to control the Krogan Rebellions, the Quarians tried to control the Geth as we are shown, the Protheans desire to unite and control every species was part of what led to their rapid downfall when the Reapers arrived, the same can be said of the Leviathans whose desire to control everything led to their downfall. And then there is the Reapers themselves and their Indoctrination.

It is more than a little curious is it not that so many cases of Control ends horribly with likewise cases for Synthesis even as your crew and everyone else close to you tells you the Reapers have to be destroyed in some way or the other?

Did Bioware put all that in just to go back on it in the final 20 min or is there are a deeper menaing behind the theme build up?

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I just noticed/remembered something:
when harby shot at you and you get up and move away from the beam you just collapse... in the book where grayson is controlled by the reapers it was the same when they hadn't full control (to preserve power) when he acted as they wanted he felt good etc, but when he tried to go the other way he first collapsed, and later where it was basically the same he just got super tired etc until persuaded to go the way they want

Interesting...
Are there any other instances of a Critical Mission Failure in form of a collapse in the trilogy? Did it look the same when you stepped into the lava in ME1 (yes, you tried that too)?

[Rifneno]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

i would love to know more about the context behind the ME1 game prologue. Why Shepard? How did they know Shepard would be the best choice? What are they saying he would be the best at? Looking back on it I have to wonder will we have a dlc explaining this?

Being a spectre. They wanted a human spectre. Every race wants their own in the spectres because it's a lot of political power. That's why they wanted Anderson in 20 years beforehand. Saren douched it up for him, too.

BleedingUranium wrote...

The goo becomes its brain. I've solved the puzzle.

Remember I mentioned a couple days ago that my theory is that each Reaper, though its brain is made from millions of melted people, only has one consciousness, one mind. The Reapers only make one new Reaper per cycle, why? Because each Reaper's mind is taken from the best that cycle has to offer. At one point in the leaked script a Reaper said "We are all Shepards".

Partially correct. Some dialogue for ME2 that didn't make it into the game had EDI saying that the Reapers were breaking them down into the goo as a method of recording the placement of every single atom in their structure. Then a perfect digital replication could be made in an AI's neural network. Billions of these... datapeople are merged into one mind.

Which, when you think about it... means that the Reaper's "essence" is entirely data and thus could definitely be backed up. It's quite possible that after they lose Reapers in the war, they simply make a new body for the ones lost and restore from backups. This would explain why they believe themselves to be immortal even though they can obviously die. Because unless the entire force is defeated, they pretty much are.

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Guys that's why Grunt is not in Synthesis. Grunt is pure, as in he is tank born. He was not born as an Organic should be, but he is pure. He is the only Krogan in ME2 with no Geno at all. Yet he is not in Systhesis. It's because Grunts DNA is pure Organic. Synthesis can't infect Grunt because he is a pure Krogan tank born. You also got to realize we are his battle master. What if Grunt nooooo.

Dam it Grunt could not be in Synthesis because he pushes Shepard out of the way and....nooooo. That's if you let him live, but what if that's the case.

Oh crap that could be why. Maybe destroy doesn't kill the Geth, and EDI the way we think, but saving Shepard. It's just speculation, but....

Grunt is pure krogan. You should be in awe.