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[Andromidius]

EXMEFan wrote...
Lmfao get a life.

Bye.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Let's ignore the troll.

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On Legion:

I have to agree with demersel that it's a very questionable thing. I've said it before, but again: I wouldn't be at all surprised IF we got ME4 with Shepard, the decision to let Legion use the Reaper code might end up biting us in the behind.

There's a good reason why synthesis supporters keep bringing this argument up, because it IS very akin to the synthesis choice.

Legion was the one who said we should achieve our own future and not follow the paths the Reapers have laid out for us. But then he's hooked up to a Reaper for some time, and next thing we know, he goes ahead and lies to Shepard about the Reaper code, and then goes ahead and uses 'the gift of the old machines' to take the quick and easy path to Geth ascension and true AI status.

In short: it's very possible that Legion was compromised when he was being used by the Reapers to control the Geth. Remember: the Geth willingly joined the Reapers because it was preferable to extinction. They could very well be indoctrinated, and the decision to allow Legion to do this could well turn out to be a wrong one after all.

Note, it's the paragon option to allow this, and the renegade option to side with the Quarians.

[demersel]

EXMEFan wrote...

You guys are stupid, very stupid.....lmfao debating a theory that is obviously not intended to be the ending of the game.

They even have an old guy telling his grandson that it was the story of the Shepard. Basically saying it was a guy telling this story to his kid of a legendary hero.

You guys are just overly nerdy about this, there is NO indoctrination theory. All this comes from what some guy said on youtube. There are not hints in the game, the game is basically telling you that the ending is the ending.

If there is indoctrination, that means your choices didn't matter, because everybody was indoctrinated at the end, and thus you didn't have a final choice, because that choice didn't exist.

Bioware said that you will have choice at the end of the game.....that kills the theory right there, dead in its tracks.

They even spent money ENHANCING THE ENDING!? Why would the make an ENDING DLC if it was meant to not make sense because Shepard was indoctrination?

You guys are dumb beyond belief, this shouldn't even be a topic. Lmfao. I can't believe people really cling to stuff like this.

You forgot to mention that everything you did in the entire game was for the benefit of the reapers. 

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin and the perfect description of literalists.

Yep.  Not even going to bother addressing any of the trite points it brings up, because thusfar it seems to be going down the list of strawmen and debunked concepts that we've all addressed many times before.

Just going to report each post it makes until its removed.  Because honestly you can disagree with someone without resorting to name calling, and yet this one seems unable to do so.

And yeah, I've been playing Dragon Age: Origins, squishy mortals.

[Rifneno]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Let's ignore the troll.

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On Legion:

I have to agree with demersel that it's a very questionable thing. I've said it before, but again: I wouldn't be at all surprised IF we got ME4 with Shepard, the decision to let Legion use the Reaper code might end up biting us in the behind.

There's a good reason why synthesis supporters keep bringing this argument up, because it IS very akin to the synthesis choice.

Legion was the one who said we should achieve our own future and not follow the paths the Reapers have laid out for us. But then he's hooked up to a Reaper for some time, and next thing we know, he goes ahead and lies to Shepard about the Reaper code, and then goes ahead and uses 'the gift of the old machines' to take the quick and easy path to Geth ascension and true AI status.

In short: it's very possible that Legion was compromised when he was being used by the Reapers to control the Geth. Remember: the Geth willingly joined the Reapers because it was preferable to extinction. They could very well be indoctrinated, and the decision to allow Legion to do this could well turn out to be a wrong one after all.

Note, it's the paragon option to allow this, and the renegade option to side with the Quarians.

I'd agree, except that not letting Legion upload the code means the geth get wiped out by that jackass Gerrel.  I don't see them giving us such a massive lose-lose situation.  Gaider didn't write this.

[EXMEFan]

Rifneno wrote...

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin and the perfect description of literalists.

That has nothing to do with the fact you think the ending is something the game didn't even hint at it being.  The developers even killed the notion that the ending was meant to be something other than what happened at the end. They PATCHED THE ENDING WITH DLC!

IF YOU INTENDED THE ENDING TO BE A HALLUCINATION, WHY WOULD YOU PATCH THE ENDING WITH DLC?

You guys are ignoring the basic facts.

Bioware even went out its way to defend the ending......they patched it for people complaining, but still kept it basically the same just more fleshed out. At no time they said it was suppose to be an hallucination, some guy on youtube said that because of some of the things that didn't make sense.

Again, your argument falls with the fact that IF there is an Hallucination going on, everbody basically had the exact same ending, and nothing you did mattered because you were captured by the Reapers.

Oh, who by the way don't need you BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY THE UNIVERSE, so there is no need to INDOCTRINATE SHEPARD, when you basically could have just killed him with the 100000000000 other people you were planning to kill.

Lmfao, you guys miss out on the basic facts.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin and the perfect description of literalists.

Yep.  Not even going to bother addressing any of the trite points it brings up, because thusfar it seems to be going down the list of strawmen and debunked concepts that we've all addressed many times before.

Just going to report each post it makes until its removed.  Because honestly you can disagree with someone without resorting to name calling, and yet this one seems unable to do so.

And yeah, I've been playing Dragon Age: Origins, squishy mortals.

Make sure you give a link to the specific post in the comment section of the report form.  They told us before that a lot of the reported posts never got removed because the thread is so big and the report function by itself doesn't say which specific post or even page was reported, just which thread.

[ElSuperGecko]

EXMEFan wrote...
Also the Catalyst thing. This was suppose to be made by each civilization that was wiped out by the reapers, but some how in a stupid way, it was a gate to the Star Child's decision making machine? And some how he has magical powers to fuse people with robots?

And then the Star Child explains perfectly how this machine, made by other civilizations and JUST NOW FINISHED BY THE CURRENT CIVILIZATIONS, works. I mean, what the hell...nothing is ever explaiend.

The Star Child totally writes off Soverigns' speech to Commander Shepard which is arguably the best part of ME, by revealing they are just toys for some little kid.

You seem to be having serious issues following the story.  Also with the concept of an "open ending".

This may explain why you are hanging off the every word of a being who's opening gambit is "I control the Reapers.  They are my solution."  and trusting what it says implicitly.  As I said earlier, lateral thinking is your friend.  Your brain is your friend.  Try engaging it sometime, you may be pleasantly surprised with the results.

EXMEFan wrote...
You guys are dumb beyond belief, this shouldn't even be a topic. Lmfao. I can't believe people really cling to stuff like this.

I can't believe people really cling to the "bad writing" argument, when they clearly haven't followed the story in the first place.  But if this is really how you feel, have you ever thought that maybe the Mass Effect series isn't for you?

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

I'd agree, except that not letting Legion upload the code means the geth get wiped out by that jackass Gerrel.  I don't see them giving us such a massive lose-lose situation.  Gaider didn't write this.

Plus modifying the code as to be independant of Reaper control goes down the self-determination route, and away from the Reaper's planned path.

Its akin to, as someone mentioned before, reverse engineering Thannix Cannons.  Only on a much bigger scale.

But honestly, even if it was exactly like Synthesis then it still wouldn't be as bad as the Synthesis ending.  Because it only effects one race, who chose it for themselves.  It wasn't forced on them, and they didn't have silly green lights shining out of their skin either.  And its not Space Magic, its actually semi-plausible.

[smokingotter1]

Ok everyone! We all know Omega is coming out soon so I thought it would be fun to compile and compare predictions about what if any changes Omega will bring to the ending of ME3.

Will Omega bring changes to the Mass Effect ending like Leviathan and Extended Cut did? If so what?

Be sure to include hashtag #icalledIT so it's easier for me to find.

I'll be on thanksgiving break but I'll try to compile the list on 26th before Omega comes out. Let's see who can predict the future! Also brevity is appreciated.

My prediction: Increased dialogue options with Starchild and maybe Harbinger getting hit from Orbit a couple of times when he descends during the conduit run. Modular theory ftw!

#icalledIT

[Rifneno]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

I can't believe people really cling to the "bad writing" argument, when they clearly haven't followed the story in the first place.  But if this is really how you feel, have you ever thought that maybe the Mass Effect series isn't for you?

So much fun.  I bet when these guys had to do a book report on Moby Dick, they thought it was a "do's and don't's" instruction manual for whaling.

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Note, it's the paragon option to allow this, and the renegade option to side with the Quarians.

The interesting thing is that if we go with a renegade option (which for some reason in ME3 in particular is generally a better idea for some reason) - yes we do kill all the geth and it is a tragedy, BUT in the decision chamber the Guardian has only EDI to guilt into not picking destroy. 

I seriously considering siding with quarians on my second playthrough (though a can easily make peace between them) - given that i'm going to pick destroy in the end anyway. 

Modifié par demersel, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

I can't believe people really cling to the "bad writing" argument, when they clearly haven't followed the story in the first place.  But if this is really how you feel, have you ever thought that maybe the Mass Effect series isn't for you?

So much fun.  I bet when these guys had to do a book report on Moby Dick, they thought it was a "do's and don't's" instruction manual for whaling.

But Rifnero, Captain Ahab killed the whale in the end!  So it must be about whale hunting and not about the nature and futility of revenge!  Otherwise why would they kill a whale at the end?!?!

[Restrider]

EXMEFan wrote...

You guys are stupid, very stupid.....lmfao debating a theory that is obviously not intended to be the ending of the game.

They even have an old guy telling his grandson that it was the story of the Shepard. Basically saying it was a guy telling this story to his kid of a legendary hero.

You guys are just overly nerdy about this, there is NO indoctrination theory. All this comes from what some guy said on youtube. There are not hints in the game, the game is basically telling you that the ending is the ending.

If there is indoctrination, that means your choices didn't matter, because everybody was indoctrinated at the end, and thus you didn't have a final choice, because that choice didn't exist.

Bioware said that you will have choice at the end of the game.....that kills the theory right there, dead in its tracks.

They even spent money ENHANCING THE ENDING!? Why would the make an ENDING DLC if it was meant to not make sense because Shepard was indoctrination?

You guys are dumb beyond belief, this shouldn't even be a topic. Lmfao. I can't believe people really cling to stuff like this.

You know the concept of causality?
If you knew it, you would at least take into consideration that this thread caused that guy on youtube.
If you try to debunk this theory then at least get your facts right...

Modifié par Restrider, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[shadoww6021]

EXMEFan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin and the perfect description of literalists.

IF YOU INTENDED THE ENDING TO BE A HALLUCINATION, WHY WOULD YOU PATCH THE ENDING WITH DLC?

to keep closed minded people like you interested long enough to suck as much money as possible, whilst leaving little clues in each new dlc so that the intuitive will pick it up. really even if IT isn't true, your'e just too closed minded to enter a discussion with intelligent people on more then just IT.

Modifié par shadoww6021, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:41 .

[Andromidius]

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Note, it's the paragon option to allow this, and the renegade option to side with the Quarians.

The interesting thing is that if we go with a renegade option (which for some reason in ME3 in particular is generally a better idea for some reason) - yes we do kill all the geth and it is a tragedy, BUT in the decision chamber the Guardian has only EDI to guilt into not picking destroy. 

And she's very clear about not wanting to be like the Reapers, and wishes to be allowed to continue to grow.  And despite not wishing to die, will risk dying to stop the Reapers and considers them to be abominations.

And hey, if you go low EMS and get her killed in the Beam Run...  Oh look, Starbinger has nothing left to guilt-trip us with except our own death!  Fancy that. 

And if you destroyed the Collector Base, the only thing its willing to do is lay down and die, even though the Reapers VASTLY outnumber your pathetic forces and could easily crush you at a moment's notice...  No, the game's up everyone!  A billion years of work is over because we turned on the elevator and let an organic onto the platform!  Oh snap, I guess that's that, everyone self-destruct!

Yeah, totally ment to be literal.  100%.

[EXMEFan]

You guys are reading TOO deep in a game, a game that will not follow up on this particular story.

You guys keep saying indoctrination THEORY, when if this was true, Bioware would have came out and revealed, YES this is what happened.

They did not, they patched the ending to make it make more sense. The developers even debunked the rumors.

You guys are just wasting time, and its funny seeing you cling to this HIDDEN EASTER egg.

They dumb down the mechanics for every day gamers, but pull off a complicated ending like this?

Are you forgetting this is primarily a console game? Lol you guys are crazy.

[ElSuperGecko]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

I can't believe people really cling to the "bad writing" argument, when they clearly haven't followed the story in the first place.  But if this is really how you feel, have you ever thought that maybe the Mass Effect series isn't for you?

So much fun.  I bet when these guys had to do a book report on Moby Dick, they thought it was a "do's and don't's" instruction manual for whaling.

But Rifnero, Captain Ahab killed the whale in the end!  So it must be about whale hunting and not about the nature and futility of revenge!  Otherwise why would they kill a whale at the end?!?!

I'll tell you why:  It's bad writing.  But don't get me started on bad writing - what about the Tortoise and the Hare?  There's NO WAY the Tortoise could have won!  BAD WRITING!

[Andromidius]

EXMEFan wrote...

You guys are reading TOO deep in a game, a game that will not follow up on this particular story.

You guys keep saying indoctrination THEORY, when if this was true, Bioware would have came out and revealed, YES this is what happened.

They did not, they patched the ending to make it make more sense. The developers even debunked the rumors.

You guys are just wasting time, and its funny seeing you cling to this HIDDEN EASTER egg.

They dumb down the mechanics for every day gamers, but pull off a complicated ending like this?

Are you forgetting this is primarily a console game? Lol you guys are crazy.

I'll bite.

1/ "Certain parts of this game are not ment to be taken literally."
2/ "Indoctrination Theory is a valid interpretation of the endings."

Two quotes FROM THE DEVELOPERS.

Oh, and Mass Effect came out on PC first.  Go figure that you came in when it was released on console.  You're falling right into the sterotype, its highly amusing.

[Restrider]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Ok everyone! We all know Omega is coming out soon so I thought it would be fun to compile and compare predictions about what if any changes Omega will bring to the ending of ME3.

Will Omega bring changes to the Mass Effect ending like Leviathan and Extended Cut did? If so what?

Be sure to include hashtag #icalledIT so it's easier for me to find.

I'll be on thanksgiving break but I'll try to compile the list on 26th before Omega comes out. Let's see who can predict the future! Also brevity is appreciated.

My prediction: Increased dialogue options with Starchild and maybe Harbinger getting hit from Orbit a couple of times when he descends during the conduit run. Modular theory ftw!

#icalledIT

We get to know that Omega is actually of Reaper origin (to some extent) and that the Crucible is not what it seems.#icalledIT

[shadoww6021]

EXMEFan wrote...

You guys are reading TOO deep in a game, a game that will not follow up on this particular story.

You guys keep saying indoctrination THEORY, when if this was true, Bioware would have came out and revealed, YES this is what happened.

They did not, they patched the ending to make it make more sense. The developers even debunked the rumors.

You guys are just wasting time, and its funny seeing you cling to this HIDDEN EASTER egg.

They dumb down the mechanics for every day gamers, but pull off a complicated ending like this?

Are you forgetting this is primarily a console game? Lol you guys are crazy.

you do realize bioware is a division of EA. and what does EA care most about. why of course the all mighty DOLLAR BILL$$$$$. all they care about is getting your money. if they went straight and confirmed IT then a lot of people would have closure and not want to buy future dlc. to EA this is unacceptable.  oh and this was a console game in mass effect 1 but in two and three the PC version was amped up enough to maybe even go beyond the console (plus we have mods).

Modifié par shadoww6021, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[Andromidius]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

I can't believe people really cling to the "bad writing" argument, when they clearly haven't followed the story in the first place.  But if this is really how you feel, have you ever thought that maybe the Mass Effect series isn't for you?

So much fun.  I bet when these guys had to do a book report on Moby Dick, they thought it was a "do's and don't's" instruction manual for whaling.

But Rifnero, Captain Ahab killed the whale in the end!  So it must be about whale hunting and not about the nature and futility of revenge!  Otherwise why would they kill a whale at the end?!?!

I'll tell you why:  It's bad writing.  But don't get me started on bad writing - what about the Tortoise and the Hare?  There's NO WAY the Tortoise could have won!  BAD WRITING!

Obviously the Tortoise cheated, probably used a car or something!  I know if didn't say it in the story, but its totally true!  And if you disagree then you're stupid!

/disclaimer: I am joking.  Obviously.  Duh.

[demersel]

EXMEFan wrote...

You guys are reading TOO deep in a game, a game that will not follow up on this particular story.

You guys keep saying indoctrination THEORY, when if this was true, Bioware would have came out and revealed, YES this is what happened.

They did not, they patched the ending to make it make more sense. The developers even debunked the rumors.

You guys are just wasting time, and its funny seeing you cling to this HIDDEN EASTER egg.

They dumb down the mechanics for every day gamers, but pull off a complicated ending like this?

Are you forgetting this is primarily a console game? Lol you guys are crazy.

They don't need to come out and say anything when the game itself says, YES THAT IS WHAT JUST HAPPENED, (three games + DLCs in fact)

[ElSuperGecko]

EXMEFan wrote...
You guys are just wasting time, and its funny seeing you cling to this HIDDEN EASTER egg.

Hidden Easter Egg?  So now you're saying that you believe the seeds for the Indoctrination Theory were actually deliberately included and designed into the game?

[Andromidius]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...
You guys are just wasting time, and its funny seeing you cling to this HIDDEN EASTER egg.

Hidden Easter Egg?  So now you're saying that you believe the seeds for the Indoctrination Theory were actually deliberately included and designed into the game?

I think we should create a new theory based off the cake in the Vancover MP map!

You know, an actual easter egg.  Yeah.