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[Big_Boss9]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...
What is the first thing ordered when Sovereign and the Geth arrive? To close the Citadel arms. Without the surprise attack inside the Citadel from the overwhelming force of Saren/Geth via the conduit, the arms would close and the plan fails. Sovereign can derp outside the Citadel all day and it won't open. You are also assuming that the particular control panel can be accessed by anyone who is a Spectre. Again, there is no basis for that assumption. 

I edited my post.... 

Saren would have been inside already with a force. (Most likely indoctrinated people instead of geth..) At the same time he would signal for Sovereign. (Saren would already be inside the Council chambers with the forces, killed everyone and made a stand.) The surprise from both sides would overwhelm the others. Plus with no reinforcements there would be no hope and the Reapers would pour in.

Too many unknowns. The conduit itself is a gamechanging element of surprise. You also have to consider how cautious Sovereign must have been after his prior failures. Better to have an overwhelming internal force appear out of seemingly nowhere than hope Saren and a few thugs could pull it off.

[masster blaster]

GethPrime. You should ask TSA because he know more about it then I do, but ya because the Leviathan Indoctrinated everyone that was under his Command And the people finally got there lifes back after 1O years. I am not saying the Breath scene take place 19 years but that could help explain why Shepard even wakes up in Destroy.

[I_eat_unicorns]

Dwailing wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

And how do you KNOW that ME's writers do not intend IT?  Do you work for them?  Have you talked to one of them and had them tell you that IT is false?  Because I'm certain that you wouldn't make such a powerful assertion without some mighty powerful proof to back up your mouth.

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Hoping that the IT will be implemented in the future is both selfish and childish: selfish in the sense that IT supporters don't appreciate the author's work, and would rather have their own ending that goes against Bioware's work. Childish in that you're waiting for an announcement from Bioware that "IT is wrong", when they put a lot of effort to make the ec dlc to clarify the original endings and show their intent of the endings, not tell. That's what writers do. They show, not tell. And why would any writer write a fan-made ending to appease a small minority of people when that fan theory goes against the writers own established work? 

There is also the degree of professionality. Bioware will never say the words "IT was wrong" in the same sentence as it makes them looked upon as unproffessional. Most writers do not dismiss I know some IT supporters will say "Bioware said IT IS a valid ending" which is true, but how do you know if they just said that to appease to everyone as much as possible since at that time, they were in a "public damage control mode" and had enough angry people as it was?

http://www.beyondhog...chosen-one.html 

This fan-theory is from harry potter. It speculates taht neville was actually the chosen one, and that harry was just a cover-up to confuse voldermort. It had a lot of supporters at its time and had lots of "evidence" to back it up. When the 7th book came out, it was shut down. (jk rowling actually turned the theory down in an interview, but I can't find the link)

http://www.cracked.c...than-movie.html 

Here are some more fan theories. Notice how in each section there is the "fan-theory" and "what we got". Same case applies here to the IT. The IT was the "fan-theory", the ec dlc was what we got.
Can you believe in the IT? Sure. Does that make it better than the original endings? For some people, yes.
Is it true? No. We're not getting anything more than the ec dlc, and the IT would make the ec dlc useless. 

If you're still bent on getting "evidence" debunking the IT, then why does Bioware write a message at the end of the game reading: "Commander Shepard has ended the reaper threat"?

Modifié par I_eat_unicorns, 05 août 2012 - 02:08 .

[masster blaster]

Also I find it funny that Harbinger would just leave Shepards body, since in ME 2 Harbinger wanted Shepards body, and now was the best momunt to do so. But no he left, and it's weird because to me when Harbinger leaves it looks like he is glancing at Shepard.

[masster blaster]

Unicorn you fail to answer my questions that I asked you two pages ago, so until you read them I will not agrue, or do anything of the sorts because you can target the easy post, but not mine. And I am making total sense.

[masster blaster]

And Unicorn are we a fan theory! No Bioware does not consider us a fan theory and they had the chance to put us their but they didn't and no we are not a fan theory again because the very same guy, who said what he said today is the on that considers IT a valid posibility for the end.

[Schachmatt123]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Hoping that the IT will be implemented in the future is both selfish and childish: selfish in the sense that IT supporters don't appreciate the author's work, and would rather have their own ending that goes against Bioware's work. Childish in that you're waiting for an announcement from Bioware that "IT is wrong", when they put a lot of effort to make the ec dlc to clarify the original endings and show their intent of the endings, not tell. That's what writers do. They show, not tell. And why would any writer write a fan-made ending to appease a small minority of people when that fan theory goes against the writers own established work? 

There is also the degree of professionality. Bioware will never say the words "IT was wrong" in the same sentence as it makes them looked upon as unproffessional. Most writers do not dismiss I know some IT supporters will say "Bioware said IT IS a valid ending" which is true, but how do you know if they just said that to appease to everyone as much as possible since at that time, they were in a "public damage control mode" and had enough angry people as it was?

http://www.beyondhog...chosen-one.html 

This fan-theory is from harry potter. It speculates taht neville was actually the chosen one, and that harry was just a cover-up to confuse voldermort. It had a lot of supporters at its time and had lots of "evidence" to back it up. When the 7th book came out, it was shut down. (jk rowling actually turned the theory down in an interview, but I can't find the link)

http://www.cracked.c...than-movie.html 

Here are some more fan theories. Notice how in each section there is the "fan-theory" and "what we got". Same case applies here to the IT. The IT was the "fan-theory", the ec dlc was what we got.
Can you believe in the IT? Sure. Does that make it better than the original endings? For some people, yes.
Is it true? No. We're not getting anything more than the ec dlc, and the IT would make the ec dlc useless. 

If you're still bent on getting "evidence" debunking the IT, then why does Bioware write a message at the end of the game reading: "Commander Shepard has ended the reaper threat"?

You type a lot but you say nothing. IT is not a fan theory, it is a VALID interpretation of the game. IT does not need to be applied to the game/ending, it is already there. It is as simple as that. You don't like it / want it /see it? I don't care.

Modifié par Schachmatt, 05 août 2012 - 02:17 .

[Home run MF]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

And how do you KNOW that ME's writers do not intend IT?  Do you work for them?  Have you talked to one of them and had them tell you that IT is false?  Because I'm certain that you wouldn't make such a powerful assertion without some mighty powerful proof to back up your mouth.

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Do you really think it took them three months to do th EC? That's cute.
They've been working on the Leviathan.

Modifié par Home run MF, 05 août 2012 - 02:18 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...
 And why would any writer write a fan-made ending to appease a small minority of people when that fan theory goes against the writers own established work? 

I stopped reading here because what game did you play. No really, legitimate interest here.

[TJBartlemus]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Hoping that the IT will be implemented in the future is both selfish and childish: selfish in the sense that IT supporters don't appreciate the author's work, and would rather have their own ending that goes against Bioware's work. Childish in that you're waiting for an announcement from Bioware that "IT is wrong", when they put a lot of effort to make the ec dlc to clarify the original endings and show their intent of the endings, not tell. That's what writers do. They show, not tell. And why would any writer write a fan-made ending to appease a small minority of people when that fan theory goes against the writers own established work? 

There is also the degree of professionality. Bioware will never say the words "IT was wrong" in the same sentence as it makes them looked upon as unproffessional. Most writers do not dismiss I know some IT supporters will say "Bioware said IT IS a valid ending" which is true, but how do you know if they just said that to appease to everyone as much as possible since at that time, they were in a "public damage control mode" and had enough angry people as it was?

http://www.beyondhog...chosen-one.html 

This fan-theory is from harry potter. It speculates taht neville was actually the chosen one, and that harry was just a cover-up to confuse voldermort. It had a lot of supporters at its time and had lots of "evidence" to back it up. When the 7th book came out, it was shut down. (jk rowling actually turned the theory down in an interview, but I can't find the link)

http://www.cracked.c...than-movie.html 

Here are some more fan theories. Notice how in each section there is the "fan-theory" and "what we got". Same case applies here to the IT. The IT was the "fan-theory", the ec dlc was what we got.
Can you believe in the IT? Sure. Does that make it better than the original endings? For some people, yes.
Is it true? No. We're not getting anything more than the ec dlc, and the IT would make the ec dlc useless. 

If you're still bent on getting "evidence" debunking the IT, then why does Bioware write a message at the end of the game reading: "Commander Shepard has ended the reaper threat"?

Did you even read my posts? In those I have already responded to 1/2 of your post even before you posted it.  No offense, but all a read was BLAH BLAH BLAH OPINION BLAH BLAH BLAH. IT people are surprisingly better listeners than you think, and I am sure what I have written so far doesn't help your opinion of IT'ers or theorists. We actually DO listen and debate details but not because we are delusional. We consider many things literalists point out and we reasonably respond if we haven't been attacked.

Have you even considered that BioWare won't say cause they want speculation on the endings to continue it's play life? If they just went out and said it was right speculation would die and the game would quickly disappear as news. Always remember this...Speculation=hype=news=money 

Why are you even attacking IT? It's not going to prove anything, and your not going to convince people by attacking them. If you want to attack something at least wait for something to provoke you to attack. Really all I have done so far in my post is defense. So maybe I now should go on the attack and go as far as to say that literalists have been disproven. A BioWare mod clearly states that parts of ME3 are not to be taken literally and are up for interpretation. (And that is rock solid evidence there...)

[I_eat_unicorns]

Home run MF wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I can't believe people are so disheartened to hear this. Of course they'll forever leave it ambiguous, it's their artistic vision. That doesn't mean IT isn't true. It just means you'll never get official conformation. I've been saying this for ages.

I'm not disheartened. Nothing changed. He told us what we already knew, plus he contradicted himself in the post, claiming both that it wouldnt add to the endings, but that it would also add new dialogue.

Like someone else has been saying (I forget who, I'm tired), they added an entire ending with just dialogue in the EC.

And they added slide scenes and cinematics too. But that's nothing, it's all a dream right?

New dialougue =/= new ending, the star child may mention the leviathan, but will probably dismiss it. That's probably what's going to happen. Chris did not contradict himself in his own post, you guys are just in heavy denial that there won't be any more addings/subtracions or any new ending dlc. Ever. IT was basically announced wrong, as if the ec dlc wasn't enough. 

I agree there will not be any new DLC after the current ending. That doesn't mean IT is dead or needs a DLC to confirm. IT has yet to be proven or disproven 100%. BioWare even went out to say so. So you cannot claim it is dead. IT is a perspective and all it needs to be proven is either a confirmation or irrefutable proof that it cannot be false. Also if anything is changed to the current ending it technically is a "new" ending. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

And how do you KNOW that ME's writers do not intend IT?  Do you work for them?  Have you talked to one of them and had them tell you that IT is false?  Because I'm certain that you wouldn't make such a powerful assertion without some mighty powerful proof to back up your mouth.

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Do you really think it took them three months to do th EC? That's cute.
They've been working on the Leviathan.

Obviously not the ENTIRE bioware development, but animations take really long to make, and if you've watched the youtube vid, it's still a lot of work given the download limits. 

[I_eat_unicorns]

Schachmatt wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Hoping that the IT will be implemented in the future is both selfish and childish: selfish in the sense that IT supporters don't appreciate the author's work, and would rather have their own ending that goes against Bioware's work. Childish in that you're waiting for an announcement from Bioware that "IT is wrong", when they put a lot of effort to make the ec dlc to clarify the original endings and show their intent of the endings, not tell. That's what writers do. They show, not tell. And why would any writer write a fan-made ending to appease a small minority of people when that fan theory goes against the writers own established work? 

There is also the degree of professionality. Bioware will never say the words "IT was wrong" in the same sentence as it makes them looked upon as unproffessional. Most writers do not dismiss I know some IT supporters will say "Bioware said IT IS a valid ending" which is true, but how do you know if they just said that to appease to everyone as much as possible since at that time, they were in a "public damage control mode" and had enough angry people as it was?

http://www.beyondhog...chosen-one.html 

This fan-theory is from harry potter. It speculates taht neville was actually the chosen one, and that harry was just a cover-up to confuse voldermort. It had a lot of supporters at its time and had lots of "evidence" to back it up. When the 7th book came out, it was shut down. (jk rowling actually turned the theory down in an interview, but I can't find the link)

http://www.cracked.c...than-movie.html 

Here are some more fan theories. Notice how in each section there is the "fan-theory" and "what we got". Same case applies here to the IT. The IT was the "fan-theory", the ec dlc was what we got.
Can you believe in the IT? Sure. Does that make it better than the original endings? For some people, yes.
Is it true? No. We're not getting anything more than the ec dlc, and the IT would make the ec dlc useless. 

If you're still bent on getting "evidence" debunking the IT, then why does Bioware write a message at the end of the game reading: "Commander Shepard has ended the reaper threat"?

You type a lot but you say nothing. IT is not a fan theory, it is a VALID interpretation of the game. IT does not need to be applied to the game/ending, it is already there. It is as simple as that. You don't like it / want it /see it? I don't care.

How do I not say anything?

[masster blaster]

Hey we are not going to do that TJ. We have to be more civilized than that. If you act on your emotions then it will get you into trouble, but sometimes it what makes us human.

[I_eat_unicorns]

masster blaster wrote...

Unicorn you fail to answer my questions that I asked you two pages ago, so until you read them I will not agrue, or do anything of the sorts because you can target the easy post, but not mine. And I am making total sense.

The fact that you have the audacity to tell me to "shut up" and then assume that I insult Bioware shows how little capacity you have for other's opinions on a disscussion forum. If you can't form a contsructive argument, then why bother posting in the first place?

Also, the fact that you won't read my post shows you don't want to face any opposition to your beliefs. 

Modifié par I_eat_unicorns, 05 août 2012 - 02:37 .

[masster blaster]

I eat Unicorns you still fali to look at my post from the last two pages. For someone who wants to tell us that we are wrong you are going to need more evidence then what we already know. And did you know you are speculating on the endings too. If you don't know what I am talking about then what you are saying means nothing to me and the rest of us. If you want to make a more logical argument then stay on this thread. Shut your mouth and see what we talk about.

And chris already said that for those that don't like IT are to stay way from IT.

Good day to you sir.

[masster blaster]

And Unicorn and the fact that you won't listen to what the others have to say is like wise. You believe what you want to believe and we will just leave it at that. You have been coming in here since your first appered, and I ask you againwhy are you here?

[masster blaster]

And Unicorn all you have is opions and so do we. Untill Bioware says other wise then we are still here. If you want us gone go ask Bioware, and I will do the same for the Literalist.

Enof said.

I want to speculate not argue.

The only reason why I think you are here, is because you just dis like IT. If you wish IT were true that's all you had to say I wish IT could be true, but I just don't see it.

[GethPrimeMKII]

So we're submitting Harry Potter fan-fiction/theories as evidence against IT now?

[masster blaster]

And the reason why I say shut your mouth is because when ever we reply back to you you shut us out, and we do the same.

For me I always tried to calm both sides down, but I am done with being nice.

[Schachmatt123]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Hoping that the IT will be implemented in the future is both selfish and childish: selfish in the sense that IT supporters don't appreciate the author's work, and would rather have their own ending that goes against Bioware's work. Childish in that you're waiting for an announcement from Bioware that "IT is wrong", when they put a lot of effort to make the ec dlc to clarify the original endings and show their intent of the endings, not tell. That's what writers do. They show, not tell. And why would any writer write a fan-made ending to appease a small minority of people when that fan theory goes against the writers own established work? 

There is also the degree of professionality. Bioware will never say the words "IT was wrong" in the same sentence as it makes them looked upon as unproffessional. Most writers do not dismiss I know some IT supporters will say "Bioware said IT IS a valid ending" which is true, but how do you know if they just said that to appease to everyone as much as possible since at that time, they were in a "public damage control mode" and had enough angry people as it was?

http://www.beyondhog...chosen-one.html 

This fan-theory is from harry potter. It speculates taht neville was actually the chosen one, and that harry was just a cover-up to confuse voldermort. It had a lot of supporters at its time and had lots of "evidence" to back it up. When the 7th book came out, it was shut down. (jk rowling actually turned the theory down in an interview, but I can't find the link)

http://www.cracked.c...than-movie.html 

Here are some more fan theories. Notice how in each section there is the "fan-theory" and "what we got". Same case applies here to the IT. The IT was the "fan-theory", the ec dlc was what we got.
Can you believe in the IT? Sure. Does that make it better than the original endings? For some people, yes.
Is it true? No. We're not getting anything more than the ec dlc, and the IT would make the ec dlc useless. 

If you're still bent on getting "evidence" debunking the IT, then why does Bioware write a message at the end of the game reading: "Commander Shepard has ended the reaper threat"?

You type a lot but you say nothing. IT is not a fan theory, it is a VALID interpretation of the game. IT does not need to be applied to the game/ending, it is already there. It is as simple as that. You don't like it / want it /see it? I don't care.

How do I not say anything?

That's simple. All your so called arguments have been discussed before in great detail - and have been debunked. The EC has put a lot of hints, details and facts in favor of the IT - and yet you came with outdated and long ago debunked questions. It is the same as usual, someone who don't have the slightest knowledge about IT tries to debunk it and embarrass himself due to lack of knowledge. Do yourself a favour and learn the basics, than you might be allowed to discuss this topic with others in the future.

[I_eat_unicorns]

masster blaster wrote...

And Unicorn all you have is opions and so do we. Untill Bioware says other wise then we are still here. If you want us gone go ask Bioware, and I will do the same for the Literalist.

Enof said.

I want to speculate not argue.

The only reason why I think you are here, is because you just dis like IT. If you wish IT were true that's all you had to say I wish IT could be true, but I just don't see it.

What? No, I'm here because I don't believe in the IT and wish to discuss why. Now go read my posts.

[masster blaster]

I have but have you read all of our post. No you haveb't and comparing Harrypotter to IT is just not right. If you don't believe it then why are you HERE. I will ask again until I get AN answer from you.

[I_eat_unicorns]

Schachmatt wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

Keep in mind that I'm arguing why it's impossible to apply the IT to the series at this point. Some IT supporters may get mad and then go back to the "evidence" of the IT, then tell me I lose credibilty if I can't prove them wrong. It would never work that way as it's not worth going into every single detail and arguing back and forth over it when IT supporters at this point are delusional and will dismiss every claim to contrary to what they want to believe. 

As if Chris' post the other day wasn't enough to show that Bioware is not going to add/change anything to the endings. Ever. That they are done working on the endings and that the ec dlc was the end of the endings. 

www.youtube.com/watch
This video is from the Bioware panel at SDCC 2012. You can see the work they've done to expand on the original endings. Why would any company spend 3 months of time/money/resources to make such endings, then make an ending that goes against that work? Would you make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending to prepare for the "real" ending?

Hoping that the IT will be implemented in the future is both selfish and childish: selfish in the sense that IT supporters don't appreciate the author's work, and would rather have their own ending that goes against Bioware's work. Childish in that you're waiting for an announcement from Bioware that "IT is wrong", when they put a lot of effort to make the ec dlc to clarify the original endings and show their intent of the endings, not tell. That's what writers do. They show, not tell. And why would any writer write a fan-made ending to appease a small minority of people when that fan theory goes against the writers own established work? 

There is also the degree of professionality. Bioware will never say the words "IT was wrong" in the same sentence as it makes them looked upon as unproffessional. Most writers do not dismiss I know some IT supporters will say "Bioware said IT IS a valid ending" which is true, but how do you know if they just said that to appease to everyone as much as possible since at that time, they were in a "public damage control mode" and had enough angry people as it was?

http://www.beyondhog...chosen-one.html 

This fan-theory is from harry potter. It speculates taht neville was actually the chosen one, and that harry was just a cover-up to confuse voldermort. It had a lot of supporters at its time and had lots of "evidence" to back it up. When the 7th book came out, it was shut down. (jk rowling actually turned the theory down in an interview, but I can't find the link)

http://www.cracked.c...than-movie.html 

Here are some more fan theories. Notice how in each section there is the "fan-theory" and "what we got". Same case applies here to the IT. The IT was the "fan-theory", the ec dlc was what we got.
Can you believe in the IT? Sure. Does that make it better than the original endings? For some people, yes.
Is it true? No. We're not getting anything more than the ec dlc, and the IT would make the ec dlc useless. 

If you're still bent on getting "evidence" debunking the IT, then why does Bioware write a message at the end of the game reading: "Commander Shepard has ended the reaper threat"?

You type a lot but you say nothing. IT is not a fan theory, it is a VALID interpretation of the game. IT does not need to be applied to the game/ending, it is already there. It is as simple as that. You don't like it / want it /see it? I don't care.

How do I not say anything?

That's simple. All your so called arguments have been discussed before in great detail - and have been debunked. The EC has put a lot of hints, details and facts in favor of the IT - and yet you came with outdated and long ago debunked questions. It is the same as usual, someone who don't have the slightest knowledge about IT tries to debunk it and embarrass himself due to lack of knowledge. Do yourself a favour and learn the basics, than you might be allowed to discuss this topic with others in the future.

How have my arguemnts been discussed in detail? what are my arguements? How does the ec dlc put in favor of the IT? How do you know if you're just deluding yourself that it does by hoping you would see the It in the ec dlc, and taking every hint you can make out of it, when it could have not been the intention? How do you know I don't know  the details of the IT?  Why don't I use evidence and details to debunk it?

Read my post and re-read if you have to, because you clearly didn't, otherwise, you wouldn't type what you just wrote. And don't dismiss anything. 

[masster blaster]

And you want to know why you don't like IT, or you want to know why IT people?