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[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Correct!

It is the player (and thus Shepard) who ends up fully indoctrinated if he chooses to side with the Reapers.

Which would be amazing storytelling if we actually saw the true consequences of it, the game telling us: "Yo dawg, you're indoctrinated, GAME OVER!"

However, the game doesn't do that, and with the EC the endings only got even brighter and happier. All 3 original endings are pretty much sunshine and rainbows now after the EC. We don't get anything after that. No screen telling us "Yo dawg, you have been fooled! This is no the true ending, you're indoctrinated! Please try again!"

If the IT is true, it means the story as it is right now lacks a proper resolution. It means the story we got is crippled and incomplete. This fact alone makes it highly unlikely that the IT is even remotely true.

Dude it's been forever! How've you been? 

[EXMEFan]

The Reapers didn't NEED Shepard to win, what they needed was Shepard to NOT unite the Galaxy and finish the Catalyst in the first place. With no Catalyst, there is no DESTRUCTION choice....

The Catalyst wasn't finished in no other time period the Reapers destroyed......And thats their purpose, not to find a way to LIVE, they find a way to DESTROY civilizaton.

You guys act like the Reapers had some sort of self preservation in mind. They only had one purpose.....You guys are giving Reapers human motives.....they are machines, they do things like machines. Thats why every 50,000 years..

You guys are making the REAPERS the main Characters, they are not, the Main Character is Shepard, and the point of the game is that YOUR choices as a player, and SHEPARD resolve as a character decided the games ending.

The Reapers would have destroyed everything if not for one person uniting the Galaxy, and that is Shepard, his last choice, no matter how it ended, effectively stopped the Reapers from their ONE AND ONLY GOAL

Come on class, what is the ONE AND ONLY GOAL OF THE REAPERS?

TO DESTROY CIVILIZATION, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT WAS A THWARTED PLAN! You control the Reapers (Which kills the fact they suppose to be "Each a Nation" as said by Sovereign), You make Peace with them and join synthetics with organics (which kills the meaning of the whole plot and doesn't even make sense with the mood of the story) and or you destroy all synthetics, even yourself (which is the best ending because it deals with self sacrifice)

No matter what, the REAPERS' plans, the whole reason of them existing in the first place, the whole reason why they were introduced into the plot, it THWARTED.

/End of Case

[Leonia]

I don't know, I kind of like not waiting 8 months or more just to be told there was a twist ending. Look at all the other twists in Bioware games, we didn't have to wait a year to find out who was Revan.

[SixG90]

estebanus wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

byne wrote...

Did the DLC they talked about yesterday come out yet?

Probably not, they usually come out at 6 pm at my place (GMT+1)

What DLC? I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused here.

There was a tweet from gamble that talked about a dlc coming out today. We still don't know anything else 

Edit: 'd

Modifié par mrs.N7, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:29 .

[The Heretic of Time]

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Correct!

It is the player (and thus Shepard) who ends up fully indoctrinated if he chooses to side with the Reapers.

Which would be amazing storytelling if we actually saw the true consequences of it, the game telling us: "Yo dawg, you're indoctrinated, GAME OVER!"

However, the game doesn't do that, and with the EC the endings only got even brighter and happier. All 3 original endings are pretty much sunshine and rainbows now after the EC. We don't get anything after that. No screen telling us "Yo dawg, you have been fooled! This is no the true ending, you're indoctrinated! Please try again!"

If the IT is true, it means the story as it is right now lacks a proper resolution. It means the story we got is crippled and incomplete. This fact alone makes it highly unlikely that the IT is even remotely true.

Except if intended as an interpretation not to be expanded upon.

In that case it's quite a meaningless interpretation that doesn't go much beyond any other regular fan-fiction of fan speculation. The IT will never be more than just "what if-" type of speculation.

"What if Shepard is really just being indoctrinated in the endings?" We'll never know if the IT indeed is just an interpretation not to be expanded upon, rendering the IT to just meaningless speculation that never really will go anywhere.

[CmdrShep80]

byne wrote...

Did the DLC they talked about yesterday come out yet?

not yet it seems

EDIT- the ground side resistance pack was already there. I had gotten that earlier

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:33 .

[byne]

EXMEFan wrote...

Come on class, what is the ONE AND ONLY GOAL OF THE REAPERS?

TO DESTROY CIVILIZATION, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT WAS A THWARTED PLAN!

So, like, do you plan on actually playing the ending anytime soon? Because if you think thats the reason for the Reapers, you clearly havent done so yet.

[Andromidius]

EXMEFan wrote...

The Reapers didn't NEED Shepard to win, what they needed was Shepard to NOT unite the Galaxy and finish the Catalyst in the first place. With no Catalyst, there is no DESTRUCTION choice....

The Catalyst wasn't finished in no other time period the Reapers destroyed......And thats their purpose, not to find a way to LIVE, they find a way to DESTROY civilizaton.

You guys act like the Reapers had some sort of self preservation in mind. They only had one purpose.....You guys are giving Reapers human motives.....they are machines, they do things like machines. Thats why every 50,000 years..

You guys are making the REAPERS the main Characters, they are not, the Main Character is Shepard, and the point of the game is that YOUR choices as a player, and SHEPARD resolve as a character decided the games ending.

The Reapers would have destroyed everything if not for one person uniting the Galaxy, and that is Shepard, his last choice, no matter how it ended, effectively stopped the Reapers from their ONE AND ONLY GOAL

Come on class, what is the ONE AND ONLY GOAL OF THE REAPERS?

TO DESTROY CIVILIZATION, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT WAS A THWARTED PLAN! You control the Reapers (Which kills the fact they suppose to be "Each a Nation" as said by Sovereign), You make Peace with them and join synthetics with organics (which kills the meaning of the whole plot and doesn't even make sense with the mood of the story) and or you destroy all synthetics, even yourself (which is the best ending because it deals with self sacrifice)

No matter what, the REAPERS' plans, the whole reason of them existing in the first place, the whole reason why they were introduced into the plot, it THWARTED.

/End of Case

Even the literal interpretation disagrees with you.

That's how wrong you are.

Modifié par Andromidius, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Rifneno]

leonia42 wrote...

I don't know, I kind of like not waiting 8 months or more just to be told there was a twist ending. Look at all the other twists in Bioware games, we didn't have to wait a year to find out who was Revan.

Agreed, this crap is being dragged out way too long.  I'm going to be 31 flavors of pissed off if the IT reveal is ME4.

[Rifneno]

If you guys don't stop feeding that troll, it's going to be too fat to fit through the door and we'll be stuck with it forever.

Modifié par Rifneno, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[CoolioThane]

Rifneno wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I don't know, I kind of like not waiting 8 months or more just to be told there was a twist ending. Look at all the other twists in Bioware games, we didn't have to wait a year to find out who was Revan.

Agreed, this crap is being dragged out way too long.  I'm going to be 31 flavors of pissed off if the IT reveal is ME4.

I can't imagine a Honey Badger to be pissed  off

[Leonia]

Only 31 flavours? Pft, I'm going for 42.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I don't know, I kind of like not waiting 8 months or more just to be told there was a twist ending. Look at all the other twists in Bioware games, we didn't have to wait a year to find out who was Revan.

Agreed, this crap is being dragged out way too long.  I'm going to be 31 flavors of pissed off if the IT reveal is ME4.

I don't mind the wait.

I do mind the constant trollfests, however.  But even with a potential reveal they'll still exist.  So its just something I have to suffer.

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Correct!

It is the player (and thus Shepard) who ends up fully indoctrinated if he chooses to side with the Reapers.

Which would be amazing storytelling if we actually saw the true consequences of it, the game telling us: "Yo dawg, you're indoctrinated, GAME OVER!"

However, the game doesn't do that, and with the EC the endings only got even brighter and happier. All 3 original endings are pretty much sunshine and rainbows now after the EC. We don't get anything after that. No screen telling us "Yo dawg, you have been fooled! This is no the true ending, you're indoctrinated! Please try again!"

If the IT is true, it means the story as it is right now lacks a proper resolution. It means the story we got is crippled and incomplete. This fact alone makes it highly unlikely that the IT is even remotely true.

Except if intended as an interpretation not to be expanded upon.

In that case it's quite a meaningless interpretation that doesn't go much beyond any other regular fan-fiction of fan speculation. The IT will never be more than just "what if-" type of speculation.

"What if Shepard is really just being indoctrinated in the endings?" We'll never know if the IT indeed is just an interpretation not to be expanded upon, rendering the IT to just meaningless speculation that never really will go anywhere.

If you say so.

[masster blaster]

Funny War World 2 already started 2 pages back.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Funny War World 2 already started 2 pages back.

War World 2 sounds like the name of a video game or something.

[The Heretic of Time]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Which would be amazing storytelling if we actually saw the true consequences of it, the game telling us: "Yo dawg, you're indoctrinated, GAME OVER!"

However, the game doesn't do that, and with the EC the endings only got even brighter and happier. All 3 original endings are pretty much sunshine and rainbows now after the EC. We don't get anything after that. No screen telling us "Yo dawg, you have been fooled! This is no the true ending, you're indoctrinated! Please try again!"

If the IT is true, it means the story as it is right now lacks a proper resolution. It means the story we got is crippled and incomplete. This fact alone makes it highly unlikely that the IT is even remotely true.

That's kind of the point however Hanar.  If we saw the consequences immediately after we made the decision, the reveal as you put it straight away, there would be no controversy, no debat, no wondering and certainly no speculation.  We'd all KNOW it was a trick, for definite.  So much better to draw it out, and leave people guessing.  It's essentially like ending a TV series with a cliffhanger.

Bioware have DLC to sell.  They have hype to generate for ME4.  They are deliberately leaving us with an open ending so we can speculate and theorise.  People will buy the DLC and look forward to ME4, hoping for, maybe even expecting answers.

Until we have every piece of the DLC for ME3 and have the full picture, and until we know where Bioware plans to go with ME4, the debate is open.

EDIT:  Tawp.

Ending the story of our hero who we all loved for 5 years with a cliffhanger is generally not such a smart idea. Especially not if this is supposed to be the end of our hero's journey, which it is according to the BioWare devs. Which makes me question if this ending really is indeed a cliffhanger. It certainly felt like a cliffhanger before the EC came out. But now with the EC it doesn't feel like a cliffhanger anymore, not at all. BioWare tried to fix their mistake and gave us a more proper resolution to Shepards journey. After the EC I see no more reason to keep believing in the IT.

Did the EC satisfy me? No, but the entire ME3 game did not satisfy me. I think the entire plot and story of ME3 is shit. But that's just my personal opinion. However, I do see what BioWare tried to do with the EC and I do appreciate their effort. The EC finally gave proper closure for a lot of people, and I'm happy for those people.

[N7L4D]

What is this? Lol sorry just confused

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and Leviathan is in the space battle now. um he took Harbinger down.


Oh and Cerberus had their own Normandy

[Andromidius]

estebanus wrote...
If you say so.

Aye.  I'd agree with it being fan fiction if it did any of the following:

1/ Used non-lore to fill in gaps.
2/ Disregarded any of the lore from the games.

IT does neither.  Its purely explaination of the lore and events, nothing else.  Which is why I wonder why people don't understand this simple fact.

Modifié par Andromidius, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:38 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EXMEFan:

Now you are just contradicting even the litteral interpretation.

Because the Reapers are not just machines to Destroy galactic civilization, they are to Harvest the civilizations, preserving them according to the Catalyst.hey do this to prevent Synthetics from wiping out Organics. It is one big pile off bull crap.

And whatever you say this is also the Reapers reproduction cycle as clearly shown by ME2 on the Collector base. They are not out solely to Destroy.

As for their interest in Shepard Harbinger has a personal interest in Shepard all the way back to ME2 trying to capture or kill Shepard, but always with the goal of preserving his body.

They also try that several times in ME3 like when you are scanning, but dont succeed. We are not syaing this is some elaborate plan set in motion since ME1 to indoctrinate Shepard, he is simply undergoing the process evena s the war rages on. He eludes the Reapers graps, but the Reapers also know that eventually they will get him through indoctrination.

Shepard is an asset, a valuable one who single handely could open the door to far easier victory for the Reapers, but he is not a requirement for their victory and we never said that. Indoctrinating Shepard is merely and advantage the Reapers can gain.

As per usual I direct you to page 1 so that you can look up what the Indoctrination theory actually is because you clearly lack a graps of many of its basics.

Also one last thing, a small quote from Harbinger from Arrival in ME2: "Struggle as you will Shepard, you mind will be ours!"

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...
Dude it's been forever! How've you been? 

Oh nothing much, just chilling, working a bit on a new project in Autodesk Maya, chilling on the BSN, keeping myself entertained here. You?

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Funny War World 2 already started 2 pages back.

FAIL.

[CoolioThane]

IT isn't really fan fiction; it's an interpretation

[Leonia]

IT is an idea and ideas are not easily broken.

[CoolioThane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...
Dude it's been forever! How've you been? 

Oh nothing much, just chilling, working a bit on a new project in Autodesk Maya, chilling on the BSN, keeping myself entertained here. You?

Sounds nice! Is Maya a kind of Animation software? One of my housemates is doing a degree in animation and often mentions something called Maya! I've just been "studying" some awful geography degree whilst trying to stay alive