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[EXMEFan]

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Come on class, what is the ONE AND ONLY GOAL OF THE REAPERS?

TO DESTROY CIVILIZATION, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT WAS A THWARTED PLAN!

So, like, do you plan on actually playing the ending anytime soon? Because if you think thats the reason for the Reapers, you clearly havent done so yet.

That EXACTLY what they aimed to do, destroy civilization every 50,000 years.

The little bad writing star child just added the reason was to allow other civilizations to grow, because he felt the same cycle will happen over and over.....

And the contradiction comes in the fact that the star child is making the same thing happen over and over, and is effectively doing what he is trying to stop from happening.

Since the little brat had a change of heart, then what would be the need for indoctrination?  Wouldn't the star child just not have given him a choice in the first place and killed him where he stand since he is infact the creator of the Reapers?

You can't believe the star child was REAL and then believe in indoctrination, it contradicts itself.

You either believe that the Reaper's goal was destroying civilization every 50,000 years, and Shepard stopped it with the help of the star child who seen the error of his ways....Or you believe that everything after Habringer knocked Shepard out was a hallucination and everything in the end was just a meaningless waste of 15 minutes...and the old guy at the end of the story was a pointless plug....

[estebanus]

CoolioThane wrote...

IT isn't really fan fiction; it's an interpretation

Yup. It's a perfectly valid interpretation of the ending that IMO is wrong.

[MegumiAzusa]

leonia42 wrote...

I don't know, I kind of like not waiting 8 months or more just to be told there was a twist ending. Look at all the other twists in Bioware games, we didn't have to wait a year to find out who was Revan.

There was no need as it was obvious at least after the second vision. Or how everyone acts like they know you anyway, and all that smack talk about all too familiar paths. I seriously cannot see how so many people missed that.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[Leonia]

Perhaps if IT was more obvious there'd be less trolls running around calling it bad writing.

[EXMEFan]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

EXMEFan:

Now you are just contradicting even the litteral interpretation.

Because the Reapers are not just machines to Destroy galactic civilization, they are to Harvest the civilizations, preserving them according to the Catalyst.hey do this to prevent Synthetics from wiping out Organics. It is one big pile off bull crap.

And whatever you say this is also the Reapers reproduction cycle as clearly shown by ME2 on the Collector base. They are not out solely to Destroy.

As for their interest in Shepard Harbinger has a personal interest in Shepard all the way back to ME2 trying to capture or kill Shepard, but always with the goal of preserving his body.

They also try that several times in ME3 like when you are scanning, but dont succeed. We are not syaing this is some elaborate plan set in motion since ME1 to indoctrinate Shepard, he is simply undergoing the process evena s the war rages on. He eludes the Reapers graps, but the Reapers also know that eventually they will get him through indoctrination.

Shepard is an asset, a valuable one who single handely could open the door to far easier victory for the Reapers, but he is not a requirement for their victory and we never said that. Indoctrinating Shepard is merely and advantage the Reapers can gain.

As per usual I direct you to page 1 so that you can look up what the Indoctrination theory actually is because you clearly lack a graps of many of its basics.

Also one last thing, a small quote from Harbinger from Arrival in ME2: "Struggle as you will Shepard, you mind will be ours!"

They only captured the current civilizations people to turn them into tools for the next 50,000 years of destruction...

And its not a LITERAL interpretation, its what the hell the game said happened.

And the writing was bad and contradicted itself in the first place

The game ending was bad, and thats really the end of the whole damn discussion, you people are way too nerdy.

[The Heretic of Time]

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...
If you say so.

Aye.  I'd agree with it being fan fiction if it did any of the following:

1/ Used non-lore to fill in gaps.
2/ Disregarded any of the lore from the games.

IT does neither.  Its purely explaination of the lore and events, nothing else.  Which is why I wonder why people don't understand this simple fact.

So any fiction or interpretation made up by fans first need to have "non-lore" (whatever that is, never heard of that term) or disregard any established lore of the games before you label it as fan-fiction?

Okay, than what do you call fiction or an interpreation made up by fans that doesn't have "non-lore" or doesn't diregard any established lore?


Well, using your weird definition of fan-fiction, we can say that in a way, the IT kinda does disregard a piece of the Mass Effect lore. The IT disregards the endings for what they are, to replace it with the interpreation that the endings aren't the actual ending, but an attempt at indoctrination, believing that we have yet t experience the resolution of ME3.

[byne]

EXMEFan wrote...

You either believe that the Reaper's goal was destroying civilization every 50,000 years, and Shepard stopped it with the help of the star child who seen the error of his ways....

Except at no point does godchild ever claim destroying civilizations was the goal, and in fact claims the opposite, and says preserving life was the goal. He also never says he sees any error with his ways, and still claims what he did was needed.

[byne]

EXMEFan wrote...

You people are way too nerdy.

>posting on a video game forum
>calling others nerdy

You should go tell the pot he's black, too.

[ElSuperGecko]

leonia42 wrote...
Perhaps if IT was more obvious there'd be less trolls running around calling it bad writing.

That sentiment reminds me of an opening monologue from a certain movie...

"Every magic trick consists of three parts, or acts. The first part is called the pledge, the magician shows you something ordinary. A deck of cards, a bird or a man. He shows you this object. Perhaps he asks you to inspect it to see if it is indeed real, unaltered, normal. But of course...it probably isn't."

"The second act is called "The Turn". The magician takes the ordinary something and makes it do something extraordinary. Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled. But you wouldn't clap yet. Because making something disappear isn't enough; you have to bring it back."

"That's why every magic trick has a third act, the hardest part, the part we call "The Prestige"."

Bioware, with the open-ended nature of the ME3 endings, the uncertainly, and the speculation, is leaving us waiting for their third act, their Prestige.

Hence why there seems to be more uproar and anger going around than there is applause.

[EXMEFan]

You guys don't even understand the ending.

They Reapers didn't HARVEST beings and let them grow into the next civilization. They killed ADVANCE civilization, to let the younger ones grow.

Thats why the Prometheans raised Asari and taught them, but Promethians are dead, and the Asari were still alive.

They prometheans were turned into TOOLS to help aid in the next 50,000 years of destruction, to let the younger species grow.

This is their only plan. Shepard stopped the cycle, point blank period.

The game HAS an ending, it HAS a resolution, and you guys are making one up by saying the resolution the game gives you doesn't exist.

You guys are saying what Bioware is doing with the game, when they already TOLD YOU the ending IS AS IS. They even made a FREE DLC PATCH so it can flesh it out some more.

You guys are wrong by that one basic fact, they PATCHED THE ENDING, FIXED IT, FOR FREE.

[The Heretic of Time]

CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...
Dude it's been forever! How've you been? 

Oh nothing much, just chilling, working a bit on a new project in Autodesk Maya, chilling on the BSN, keeping myself entertained here. You?

Sounds nice! Is Maya a kind of Animation software? One of my housemates is doing a degree in animation and often mentions something called Maya! I've just been "studying" some awful geography degree whilst trying to stay alive 

Maya is 3D modelling and 3D animation software. I use to to create assets for video-games, either existing video-games (modding) or entirely new video-game (creating my own games with other game-design students). I'm doing a degree in Game Architecture & Design.


Is it hard for you to stay alive buddy? For me it is. I've been broke for the past couple of months. I spend my last money on building a new powerful PC workstation.  In my case 'the starving artist' is not a stereotype, for me it's the hard ice-cold truth.  For now. Hopefully that will chance once I got my bachelor degree (and maybe after that  my master).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:59 .

[Rifneno]

leonia42 wrote...

Perhaps if IT was more obvious there'd be less trolls running around calling it bad writing.

Yeah, like they should've had Shepard get indoctrinated eyes if he picked control or synth... oh.  Well they could've had the fake TIM say he's only talking to you because he needs you to believ... oh.  How about if they made the bad endings an obvious over the top parody with printed circuitry in leave--damnit!  Ok, but how about if they made the EC control and synthesis speeches eerily reminscent of Sovereign and Harbinger's spee--Jesus.  Nevermind, I don't know how it could be more obvious without a flat out reveal.

[EXMEFan]

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

You either believe that the Reaper's goal was destroying civilization every 50,000 years, and Shepard stopped it with the help of the star child who seen the error of his ways....

Except at no point does godchild ever claim destroying civilizations was the goal, and in fact claims the opposite, and says preserving life was the goal. He also never says he sees any error with his ways, and still claims what he did was needed.

He said maybe his way doesn't work anymore.   And he destroyed Advance civilizations so the younger ones can grow.  

If I kill my whole family, and said it was because I didn't want them to suffer in life, I am still killing people.  

You are insulting your own intelligence.

[byne]

EXMEFan wrote...

Thats why the Prometheans raised Asari and taught them, but Promethians are dead, and the Asari were still alive.

The prometheans? I hate those guys!

[ThisOneIsPunny]

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

You people are way too nerdy.

>posting on a video game forum
>calling others nerdy

You should go tell the pot he's black, too.

If this goes on any longer, I'll never get this paper done. This is entertaining though, trolling or genuine desire to convince us we're wrong. How dare we have theories!

[Arashi08]

Rifneno wrote...

If you guys don't stop feeding that troll, it's going to be too fat to fit through the door and we'll be stuck with it forever.

Best post ever.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

You people are way too nerdy.

>posting on a video game forum
>calling others nerdy

You should go tell the pot he's black, too.

A hundred creds says that reference went so far over his head that he can't even see the contrails?

[EXMEFan]

Rifneno wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Perhaps if IT was more obvious there'd be less trolls running around calling it bad writing.

Yeah, like they should've had Shepard get indoctrinated eyes if he picked control or synth... oh.  Well they could've had the fake TIM say he's only talking to you because he needs you to believ... oh.  How about if they made the bad endings an obvious over the top parody with printed circuitry in leave--damnit!  Ok, but how about if they made the EC control and synthesis speeches eerily reminscent of Sovereign and Harbinger's spee--Jesus.  Nevermind, I don't know how it could be more obvious without a flat out reveal.

So your sarcasm lies in the fact that maybe they could have made the ending make sense if it was IT?

lol you guys are nuts lmfao, I'm showing everybody this topic lmfao.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

EXMEFan wrote...

You guys don't even understand the ending.

They Reapers didn't HARVEST beings and let them grow into the next civilization. They killed ADVANCE civilization, to let the younger ones grow.

Thats why the Prometheans raised Asari and taught them, but Promethians are dead, and the Asari were still alive.

They prometheans were turned into TOOLS to help aid in the next 50,000 years of destruction, to let the younger species grow.

This is their only plan. Shepard stopped the cycle, point blank period.

The game HAS an ending, it HAS a resolution, and you guys are making one up by saying the resolution the game gives you doesn't exist.

You guys are saying what Bioware is doing with the game, when they already TOLD YOU the ending IS AS IS. They even made a FREE DLC PATCH so it can flesh it out some more.

You guys are wrong by that one basic fact, they PATCHED THE ENDING, FIXED IT, FOR FREE.

Prometheans?
http://t3.gstatic.co...Rxbdgjypqp1tr6g
edit: Bravo byne for thinking the same thing i did when reading that.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:58 .

[EXMEFan]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

You people are way too nerdy.

>posting on a video game forum
>calling others nerdy

You should go tell the pot he's black, too.

A hundred creds says that reference went so far over his head that he can't even see the contrails?

Games stop being nerds only like in 1992......but to worship a theory about a MERE video game when the game has an ending, even a patched ending, is nerdy.

Coming up with all this stuff when Bioware has said otherwise....

[Leonia]

Telling the nerds they are nerdy is so nerdy man.

[ElSuperGecko]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Ending the story of our hero who we all loved for 5 years with a cliffhanger is generally not such a smart idea. Especially not if this is supposed to be the end of our hero's journey, which it is according to the BioWare devs. Which makes me question if this ending really is indeed a cliffhanger. It certainly felt like a cliffhanger before the EC came out. But now with the EC it doesn't feel like a cliffhanger anymore, not at all. BioWare tried to fix their mistake and gave us a more proper resolution to Shepards journey. After the EC I see no more reason to keep believing in the IT.

Did the EC satisfy me? No, but the entire ME3 game did not satisfy me. I think the entire plot and story of ME3 is shit. But that's just my personal opinion. However, I do see what BioWare tried to do with the EC and I do appreciate their effort. The EC finally gave proper closure for a lot of people, and I'm happy for those people.

"Tell me another story about the Shepard."  "It's getting late but OK... one more story."

I think we just don't have the entire picture yet.  Optimistic?  Possibly.  Glass half full instead of half empty?  Maybe.  But let's see how we both feel 12-18 months down the line, when ME3's DLC cycle is complete and we have all the pieces of the puzzle.

I get the feeling that Bioware is still holding something back, that they've a few revelations in store for us yet.

[Arashi08]

Just ignore it and it will go away...

[estebanus]

leonia42 wrote...

Telling the nerds they are nerdy is so nerdy man.

You're a nerd for saying that 

EDIT: top!

Modifié par estebanus, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:58 .

[ElSuperGecko]

EXMEFan wrote...
Coming up with all this stuff when Bioware has said otherwise....

Direct quote from a Bioware source, please?  Direct quote or STFU.