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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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You know, I've been thinking about who would win in a fight between Shepard and Master Chief, and I don't care if Chief is superior in every way that matters, but Shepard would win. Somehow, he would win.


Only because Shepard would use his awesome charm powers to convince John not to fight him, and you'd get him as a squadmate. Then they'd team up with Captain Price to stop Harbinger firing a Halo ring while outrunning a Hind attack helicopter in a jeep.


nope Harbinger would be like.

Harbinger: Did you really think that could kill me.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I've been thinking about who would win in a fight between Shepard and Master Chief, and I don't care if Chief is superior in every way that matters, but Shepard would win. Somehow, he would win.


Only because Shepard would use his awesome charm powers to convince John not to fight him, and you'd get him as a squadmate. Then they'd team up with Captain Price to stop Harbinger firing a Halo ring while outrunning a Hind attack helicopter in a jeep.


Actually, I like this idea a LOT.  I believe estebanus was planning on doing a massive crossover fic.  I wonder how that's going?

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masster blaster wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I've been thinking about who would win in a fight between Shepard and Master Chief, and I don't care if Chief is superior in every way that matters, but Shepard would win. Somehow, he would win.

No, Master Chief would win because he's luckier than Shepard Posted Image

Speaking of which, I'm currently uploading an ME3 video with elements of Halo 4, just for fun. Stay tuned. Posted Image[/quote

well chief has mountions of steriods in his body, so that's not really far, how ever if Shepard had all the powers of each class, then maybe. Na john, and Shepard are brothers, forget fem Shepard for right now, but Shepard's real name is john. So Shepard is bother of cheif.


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Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I've been thinking about who would win in a fight between Shepard and Master Chief, and I don't care if Chief is superior in every way that matters, but Shepard would win. Somehow, he would win.


Only because Shepard would use his awesome charm powers to convince John not to fight him, and you'd get him as a squadmate. Then they'd team up with Captain Price to stop Harbinger firing a Halo ring while outrunning a Hind attack helicopter in a jeep.


Actually, I like this idea a LOT.  I believe estebanus was planning on doing a massive crossover fic.  I wonder how that's going?


Chief would have a power called "Luck" that would make all projectiles miss him for its duration, while Price would have a sync-kill where he would one shot kill an enemy with his M1911.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I've been thinking about who would win in a fight between Shepard and Master Chief, and I don't care if Chief is superior in every way that matters, but Shepard would win. Somehow, he would win.


Only because Shepard would use his awesome charm powers to convince John not to fight him, and you'd get him as a squadmate. Then they'd team up with Captain Price to stop Harbinger firing a Halo ring while outrunning a Hind attack helicopter in a jeep.


Actually, I like this idea a LOT.  I believe estebanus was planning on doing a massive crossover fic.  I wonder how that's going?


Chief would have a power called "Luck" that would make all projectiles miss him for its duration, while Price would have a sync-kill where he would one shot kill an enemy with his M1911.


And Shepard would have the ability to play this song which would temporarily boost his health, shields, damage, accuracy, and sex appeal (Bow chicka bow wow ;)) to ridiculous levels.

Edit: Oh, I forgot, it would also boost his speed to ridiculous levels.

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Dwailing wrote...

And Shepard would have the ability to play this song which would temporarily boost his health, shields, damage, accuracy, and sex appeal (Bow chicka bow wow ;)) to ridiculous levels.

Edit: Oh, I forgot, it would also boost his speed to ridiculous levels.


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If Halo and Mass Effect were developed by Marvel, I bet we'd see a mash-up of both some time in the future. Not that we can't still get it in a few years. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 21 novembre 2012 - 04:29 .


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Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I've been thinking about who would win in a fight between Shepard and Master Chief, and I don't care if Chief is superior in every way that matters, but Shepard would win. Somehow, he would win.


Only because Shepard would use his awesome charm powers to convince John not to fight him, and you'd get him as a squadmate. Then they'd team up with Captain Price to stop Harbinger firing a Halo ring while outrunning a Hind attack helicopter in a jeep.


Actually, I like this idea a LOT.  I believe estebanus was planning on doing a massive crossover fic.  I wonder how that's going?


Chief would have a power called "Luck" that would make all projectiles miss him for its duration, while Price would have a sync-kill where he would one shot kill an enemy with his M1911.


And Shepard would have the ability to play this song which would temporarily boost his health, shields, damage, accuracy, and sex appeal (Bow chicka bow wow ;)) to ridiculous levels.

Edit: Oh, I forgot, it would also boost his speed to ridiculous levels.


I only heard that for the first time a couple weeks ago, its so awesome!

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Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

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So is there anything new?

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Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

Haven't played H4, but for me it was strange that the Covenant were the aggressors. H3 ended with peace brokered between humanity and the Covenant.

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paxxton wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

Haven't played H4, but for me it was strange that the Covenant were the aggressors. Halo 3 ended with peace brokered between humanity and the Covenant.


The group that you fight in Halo 4 is a splinter faction of fanatical followers of the Covenant religion.  They're separate from the mainstream Covenant.  Well, what's left of it, anyway.

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paxxton wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

Haven't played H4, but for me it was strange that the Covenant were the aggressors. H3 ended with peace brokered between humanity and the Covenant.

It was hand waved in one line... They pretty much completely seperated Halo 4 from Halo 1, 2 and 3. :?

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Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

All that stuff is explained for the people who paid close attention to the universe (terminals in Halo Anniversary and Halo 3, Forerunner Saga novels). The thing is, we only see it from Chief's perspective ingame. Since he, for the most part, has no idea what's going on (I.E. Covenant/Arbiter), we don't either - unless you pay lose attention. Leaves plenty of room for Halo 5.

Plus, there has to be some degree of space magic with Forerunners involved. Halo is grounded in reality, but nowhere near as much as ME.

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Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.


I thought it was fine. It's important to note that the Didact isn't supposed to be pure evil like the Reapers, he's more like Samara blindly following his code.

The Covies are supposed to be like that, they're like the Heretic Geth now, a very small faction of those races, we're at peace with the rest.

What space magic?

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paxxton wrote...

If Halo and Mass Effect were developed by Marvel, I bet we'd see a mash-up of both some time in the future. Not that we can't still get it in a few years. Posted Image

 That would be inexplicably awesome!

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Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

Haven't played H4, but for me it was strange that the Covenant were the aggressors. Halo 3 ended with peace brokered between humanity and the Covenant.


The group that you fight in Halo 4 is a splinter faction of fanatical followers of the Covenant religion.  They're separate from the mainstream Covenant.  Well, what's left of it, anyway.

Ah, the Prophets speaking from beyond their graves. I should've expected that.

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paxxton wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

Haven't played H4, but for me it was strange that the Covenant were the aggressors. Halo 3 ended with peace brokered between humanity and the Covenant.

Nope, the majority of the Covenant were never allies of the UNSC. After Halo 3, the Sanghelli entered a civil war about which path to take, and most of the other Covenant races were never allies with them. The anti-UNSC Elites stayed with the Covenant and those of all the Covenant races who supported peace were driven into exile, which is why they are seeking asylum in UNSC space.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.


I thought it was fine. It's important to note that the Didact isn't supposed to be pure evil like the Reapers, he's more like Samara blindly following his code.

The Covies are supposed to be like that, they're like the Heretic Geth now, a very small faction of those races, we're at peace with the rest.

What space magic?

Perhaps he means Didact's biotics, or Composing?

Forerunner stuff has always defied gravity. As for The Composer, well, it's synthesis - and it failed. LOL.

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Another thought concerning how hallucinations 'have to be built from things you already know'.

While this is true, and even the stranged most surreal things you can dream are twisted memories and thoughts, Indoctrination isn't natural hallucination. The Reapers can add extra details to construct a more convincing lie.

Though that being said, there's not much in the final sequence in ME3 that isn't taken from earlier in the game, unaltered or altered. But its food for thought, just how much can the Reapers manipulate a hallucination or enthrallment attempt?

Something that ties in with other 'visions': the Geth Consensus experience. Aside from the familiar 'gun' Shep uses; when viewing the historical data on the Geth uprising/Quarian supression Shepard sees them as current Quarians in their full suits. When Shep questions this Legion makes mention that Shepard has never seen an un-suited Quarian so their mind fills in the blanks with the closest reference which is Quarians in suits.

This ties in with our own sense of perception. When we look at a computer generated image; more often than not we can pick up that it is a generated image because it's perfect. Perfection is an unnatural quality so our mind rejects it and we realise it's an illusion. Nowadays they can add in more raw detail like skin discolourations, blurring, higher quality textures and it becomes much harder to distinguish real from creation.

Leviathans indoctrination used people from Shepard's experience 'to give voice to our words' but their version had Shepard in a dank abyss with the figures walking out of nothing. If Harbinger/AI perfected this technique then they could add to this using more than just surface memories but also utilising the suggestive power to convince people they were somewhere familiar by letting them be the ones who 'fill in the blanks' using their own experiences.

I recall a movie in the 50s about a horrid group of monsters and it terrified the various audiences but you never actually saw the monsters themselves. The closest you saw were silouettes against walls as their victims met their fate. People made their own horrors to fill in the gaps left by the filmmakers of the time. A more recent example that invoked terror in me was the Doctor Who episode 'Blink' which featured the Weeping Angels for the first time. They were aliens in the shape of angels that could move almost as fast as light as long as nobody was watching them and it creeped me out even though you never saw them move. The suggestion of how they moved coupled with the very apt placement of the angel props played off my own fears of the unknown, what they did while unobserved, and I found that I too was trying not to blink as much as the characters.

So the Reaper indoctrination might be perfect because it's imperfect, applying enough suggestion to push a mind into the delusion without giving away when they've crossed a threshhold, letting the mind in question fill in the blanks with past experiences just as Shepard did in that Geth consensus.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.

All that stuff is explained for the people who paid close attention to the universe (terminals in Halo Anniversary and Halo 3, Forerunner Saga novels). The thing is, we only see it from Chief's perspective ingame. Since he, for the most part, has no idea what's going on (I.E. Covenant/Arbiter), we don't either - unless you pay lose attention. Leaves plenty of room for Halo 5.

Plus, there has to be some degree of space magic with Forerunners involved. Halo is grounded in reality, but nowhere near as much as ME.


Always remember, space magic is not always a bad thing.  It's only a bad thing in Mass Effect, which has always been pretty hard (Bow chicka bow wow! :lol:) on Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness.

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But the entire ending (SPOILERS FOLLOWING) was kind of ridiculous. After the Didact was killed (look I'm just going to ignore Cortana space magic), the chief punches the nuke to detonate the death beam, except why does he even need to destroy it? That ONE CITY the thing was aiming at is already vaporized, ANY of the human ships you can see floating around could have fired a nuke rather than punching one, surely there's an OFF switch in the god damn ship, I could go on. I'm sorry but it was kind of stupid. Maybe it was because we did our legendary co-op run through over one night without sleeping, but it just annoyed me.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Am I the only one who thought the Halo 4 plot made absolutely no sense? The entire motivation of the main villain, the one dimensionality of the covanent, the space magic just to name a few.


I thought it was fine. It's important to note that the Didact isn't supposed to be pure evil like the Reapers, he's more like Samara blindly following his code.

The Covies are supposed to be like that, they're like the Heretic Geth now, a very small faction of those races, we're at peace with the rest.

What space magic?

Perhaps he means Didact's biotics, or Composing?

Forerunner stuff has always defied gravity. As for The Composer, well, it's synthesis - and it failed. LOL.


It also has Control written all over it. A body being atomized while the mind is digitized. Hmm...

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

If Halo and Mass Effect were developed by Marvel, I bet we'd see a mash-up of both some time in the future. Not that we can't still get it in a few years. Posted Image

 That would be inexplicably awesome!

If only it wasn't a karate fighting game...