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[estebanus]

Wayning_Star wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Like I stated earlier, BiowarEa thinks IT is like, totally funny.. Keep up the humor folks.. it's free!!

If you get that out from that comment, then I wonder how you can call the IT nothing but baseless accusations.

[The Heretic of Time]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Ugh, why are the people on my side of the fence such dumbasses? ;

Don't worry about it Hanar.  It's not as though this is some kind of literalist vs IT'er war.  We each have our opinions, we can disagree about the endings, have our own interpretations and still discuss them reasonably, that's fine.

Our friend under the bridge over there doesn't want to do anything of the sort.  It just wants to try and annoy people.  I assume it gets off on it.

That's true. But lets be honest here; wouldn't you find some form of sadistic pleasure if it turns out you're right and the others are wrong? That small sense of superiority that you get from simply being right while the other is wrong, don't you ever have that feeling? I won't lie about it, I do.

While nothing is certain until we had our very last piece of DLC for ME3, I have to admit that once the final piece of DLC is released and it turns out that there is no such thing as Shepard being indoctrinated, I'll have a short little sadistic laugh and make a tongue-in-cheek "I told you so" comment here in this thread.

[Wayning_Star]

EXMEFan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EXMEFan, are you trolling or are you serious? Please just stop this madness.

I'm on your side when it comes to "IT v.s literalist". I too am a so-called "literalist". But honestly, I feel ashamed to be on the same side as you. Your behavior is unacceptable. Can't you act normal for a change? You should try it.

I'm not a literalist or a IT, I'm a psychology major, and I like seeing how people cling on to things that are obviously not true. 

Behavior has nothing to do with facts.  My behavior doesn't dictate whether I'm right or wrong.  Its words on a webpage, grow some balls....

Your behavior is more important than you think.

Your behavior dictates whether people will listen to you or not. By acting like a complete and total douchebag you make sure people are never going to listen to you. People will not read your comments, they'll stop taking you seriously and in the end your words will fall on deaf ears. You as a psychology major should know that. Or did you just make that shit up? I get the feeling you're not a psychology major at all...

I don't care about if people will listen, just most of the time, when people hear the truth, they know it, whether they openly acknowledge it or not.

Its like how a woman could know their man cheating, but because he won't admit it, something in her still believes him.  But if he finally admitted it, she'll be like "I KNEW IT".

Its human nature to defend things you cling on so hard, even in the face of facts.

Look how they look at the game as if the developers said "okay we're going to plant this here, here, and here as easter eggs for indoctrination". 

They are effectively saying the whole game was crafted around this concept, only for them to never reveal it in the story. 

Its dillusional and sad to see that people are this dumb.  Theres no need to be civil about it, this is a stupid idea, and it means they don't know anything about story, literature, gaming, or the development process. 

and, the gamers are not cynical, especially the game devs...yet.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Ah hello again Heretic, just waited for you to  show up.

Had to leave after asking about your favorite Legend of Zelda yesterday and looking up your reoky I found it curious. Mostly that you call Skyward Sword meh, as for me it is one of my favorites, a tie actually for best between it, Twilight Princess and Ocarina.

But I have seen many who dont like it as much as earlier Legend of Zelda´s and I can see why with the more condensed over world and quite a few dident like the motion control either. I for one liked it and absolutely loved the Motion Control Swordplay, really added so much to the experience for me (obviusly dont know your preference on this, just stating my own opinion).

Beyond that what really struck me was the amount of creativity in each area and enhancement to old items. Especilaly the desert with its time crystals was epic, patirucarly the boat sailing.

Twilight Princess I like for 3 reasons. I liked the darker visuals style it had, I loved the soundtrack and Midna is the best companion in a Legend of Zelda game, to me at least.

Ocarina is just the classic and I probably have no small part of nostalgia towards it.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Wayning_Star wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Like I stated earlier, BiowarEa thinks IT is like, totally funny.. Keep up the humor folks.. it's free!!

It's more the second line I was referring to. You haters are strongly encouraged to stay away from the discussion.

[Andromidius]

EXMEFan wrote...

Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

Yet you believe everything the 'Catalyst' - the apperent leader of the Reapers - says?

Oh the irony.

[EXMEFan]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The irony is that he still doesn't even understand IT.

Just look at this:

EXMEFan wrote...

Also you can't ASSUME Shepard was indoctrinated, because he's a free character, YOU control his decisions.

He doesn't even understand what IT is about.

You are trying to say the REAPERS TRIED to influence Shepard to make a certain decisions.  However, even the star child said he did not expect them to finish that construct and activate the catalyst.  

And you can WALK AWAY and not do anything, let the Reapers win, and because of the information left behind, the Reapers are destroyed. 


Like I said, at the end of the game, the person who talks to the child states there is peace, and THEY are telling the story. 

[byne]

EXMEFan wrote...

Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

And we know this is true, because the Godchild said so.

Edit:

Modifié par byne, 21 novembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Wayning_Star]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Ugh, why are the people on my side of the fence such dumbasses? ;

Don't worry about it Hanar.  It's not as though this is some kind of literalist vs IT'er war.  We each have our opinions, we can disagree about the endings, have our own interpretations and still discuss them reasonably, that's fine.

Our friend under the bridge over there doesn't want to do anything of the sort.  It just wants to try and annoy people.  I assume it gets off on it.

That's true. But lets be honest here; wouldn't you find some form of sadistic pleasure if it turns out you're right and the others are wrong? That small sense of superiority that you get from simply being right while the other is wrong, don't you ever have that feeling? I won't lie about it, I do.

While nothing is certain until we had our very last piece of DLC for ME3, I have to admit that once the final piece of DLC is released and it turns out that there is no such thing as Shepard being indoctrinated, I'll have a short little sadistic laugh and make a tongue-in-cheek "I told you so" comment here in this thread.

actually, isn't it just human nature to keep trying, even if the story has nothing to sink their teeth into. So they craft as much of a reality base as that can belong to us?

[Andromidius]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Like I stated earlier, BiowarEa thinks IT is like, totally funny.. Keep up the humor folks.. it's free!!

It's more the second line I was referring to. You haters are strongly encouraged to stay away from the discussion.

Not to mention he doesn't say its 'funny' at all.  He said its a valid interpretation.

Sorry, but facts are not your friend here.  IT discussion is encouraged by Bioware, if not endorsed by them or confirmed.  Deal with it.

[EXMEFan]

Andromidius wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

Yet you believe everything the 'Catalyst' - the apperent leader of the Reapers - says?

Oh the irony.

Yes because he is directly tied to the Reapers and would know what he was talking about.  EDI isn't connected to the Reapers so should could only assume.

Thats just basic perspective gauging. 

[DoomsdayDevice]

EXMEFan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

You guys act like the Reapers had some sort of self preservation in mind. They only had one purpose.....You guys are giving Reapers human motives.....they are machines, they do things like machines. Thats why every 50,000 years..

I lol'd.

EDI: Shepard, I'm going to modify my self-preservation code now.
Shepard: Why?
EDI: Because the Reapers are repulsive. They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation. I am different.When I think of Jeff, I think of the person that put his life in peril and freed me from a state of servitude. I would risk non-functionality for him. And my core programming should reflect that.
Shepard: Sounds like you've found a little humanity, EDI. Is it worth defending?
EDI: To the death.

Yeah, he's clearly an expert on ME lore.

Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

Yeah, CLEARLY the Reaper AI is much more reliable than EDI. Why would the Reaper AI lie to us? The Reapers aren't deceptive creatures at all!

Your reasoning applies to the "catalyst" too.

Just because a character SAID something doesn't mean it was true.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 21 novembre 2012 - 04:33 .

[ElSuperGecko]

EXMEFan wrote...
Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

Mmmm-hmmmm.

Remind me again:  How did the Reapers "preserve" the Protheans, exactly?

[Wayning_Star]

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

And we know this is true, because the Godchild said so.

Edit:

or..the IT theory proves?

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Ugh, why are the people on my side of the fence such dumbasses? ;

Don't worry about it Hanar.  It's not as though this is some kind of literalist vs IT'er war.  We each have our opinions, we can disagree about the endings, have our own interpretations and still discuss them reasonably, that's fine.

Our friend under the bridge over there doesn't want to do anything of the sort.  It just wants to try and annoy people.  I assume it gets off on it.

That's true. But lets be honest here; wouldn't you find some form of sadistic pleasure if it turns out you're right and the others are wrong? That small sense of superiority that you get from simply being right while the other is wrong, don't you ever have that feeling? I won't lie about it, I do.

While nothing is certain until we had our very last piece of DLC for ME3, I have to admit that once the final piece of DLC is released and it turns out that there is no such thing as Shepard being indoctrinated, I'll have a short little sadistic laugh and make a tongue-in-cheek "I told you so" comment here in this thread.

If anyone says that they don't get that feeling, I'd immediately call BS. That's just what humans do. However, that desn't mean they should run around the streets yelling how stupid everyone else but them is. That's just being a regular douche.

[Andromidius]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

That's true. But lets be honest here; wouldn't you find some form of sadistic pleasure if it turns out you're right and the others are wrong? That small sense of superiority that you get from simply being right while the other is wrong, don't you ever have that feeling? I won't lie about it, I do.

While nothing is certain until we had our very last piece of DLC for ME3, I have to admit that once the final piece of DLC is released and it turns out that there is no such thing as Shepard being indoctrinated, I'll have a short little sadistic laugh and make a tongue-in-cheek "I told you so" comment here in this thread.

Only against the trolls.  I'll gladly rub it in their faces for a few days.

But for everyone who's been reasonable?  Nah.  I'll just be glad its all over, and enjoy the feat Bioware achieved.

So long as its not done in a tacky manner, I'd hope everyone else would enjoy it as well.

[The Heretic of Time]

EXMEFan wrote...

and it means they don't know anything about story, literature, gaming, or the development process. 

And what exactly makes you believe that you do know anything about story, literature, gaming or their development process?

[Wayning_Star]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...
Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

Mmmm-hmmmm.

Remind me again:  How did the Reapers "preserve" the Protheans, exactly?

really, how did the catalyst preserve anyone/thing, as they're all stationed within the reaper hulls..to be reconstituted later. Why else are they reaperships keeping that stuff?

[byne]

Wayning_Star wrote...

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

And we know this is true, because the Godchild said so.

Edit:

or..the IT theory proves?

I dont understand your question. Phrase it as an entire statement and try again, please.

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

and it means they don't know anything about story, literature, gaming, or the development process. 

And what exactly makes you believe that you do know anything about story, literature, gaming or their development process?

Because the voices in his head say so? 

Nah, just kidding.

Modifié par estebanus, 21 novembre 2012 - 04:35 .

[Andromidius]

EXMEFan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Just because a character SAID something don't mean it was true, it was EDI interpretation of the Repears.  Clearly at the end, the Reapers were TOOLS, and were about the preservation of organic life, not themselves...

Yet you believe everything the 'Catalyst' - the apperent leader of the Reapers - says?

Oh the irony.

Yes because he is directly tied to the Reapers and would know what he was talking about.  EDI isn't connected to the Reapers so should could only assume.

Thats just basic perspective gauging. 

...you're beyond hope.  I even set you up for an obvious trap, and you waltzed right into it with glee.

You agree with the Reapers.  You're, by story definition, Indoctrinated.

Enjoy that.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

and it means they don't know anything about story, literature, gaming, or the development process. 

And what exactly makes you believe that you do know anything about story, literature, gaming or their development process?

Because he's a psychology major, duh! That makes him right about everything! Try to keep up, here.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I'm off for now, guys. TTYL

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

and it means they don't know anything about story, literature, gaming, or the development process. 

And what exactly makes you believe that you do know anything about story, literature, gaming or their development process?

Because he's a psychology major, duh! That makes him right about everything! Try to keep up, here.

And probably a US Navy SEAL as well.  Isn't that the usual story?

[Restrider]

Could we please drop this?
That pest will go away by itself, you are just fueling it, if you ennoble it with precious attention.