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[The Heretic of Time]

To be fair, the "one more story" is probably just EA shamelessly advertising their DLC. Nowhere does the old man say that this "one more story" takes place AFTER the Mass Effect trilogy.

[Wayning_Star]

MisterX867 wrote...

I always found it funny that in the stargazer scene the kid said "Did all that really happen?" I took that line as everything was not as it seemed

Me too...

examples: http://www.google.co...iw=1120&bih=643

[Revan87]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

To be fair, the "one more story" is probably just EA shamelessly advertising their DLC. Nowhere does the old man say that this "one more story" takes place AFTER the Mass Effect trilogy.

But we already have more than one DLC!

[ElSuperGecko]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...
FWIW, Ocarina of Time is, in my opinion, the best Zelda game by far.

I believe this is the 2nd (or the 3rd?) time we actually agree on something.  Ocarina of Time rules!

Loved Ocarina of Time, but I think I preferred Majora's Mask.  I just the different gameplay elements they tried to bring into it... and the feeling of it being a race against time, with that damn moon slowly getting closer and larger...

[EXMEFan]

Look I'm going to make a realistic point, and I'm done trolling here, I was going to save this til I understood more, but I think I know what you guys are saying.  You are saying if you picked a choice other than destroy, that you were indoctrinated.  Well check this out:

The ending of this game is the exact same ending of Deus Ex human revolution, where it just gave you 4 choices to make you feel like you decided how the game ended.  

If your decisions was influenced by anything, it was your personality as a player.

Now in mass effect if I picked what you guys think the reapers wanted me to pick, that underminds my decision as a player....it tells me I picked this being I was indoctrinated, when in reality I picked it so my character wouldn't die or for 1000 other reasons as  A PERSON.

I am Shepard, so if I picked this choice, I obviously did it because I wanted to, because I was able to pick any other choice, and I've made similar choices throughout the series.

How can a game tell me I picked a choice because I was indoctrinated when I picked it because I believe people should live in harmony or because I wanted to control the Reapers because I was an **** since ME1?  What if my decision throughout the game reflected this final choice, are you going to say I was indoctrinated the whole game because my ending choice was the same type of choice I made through the whole ME series?

You see where you guys are flawed?  The game can't tell you that you picked this because you were indoctrinated if the personality you gave Shepard from the beginning reflected this choice.

You were able to be the type of person who would pick control or merge from the first conversation option in ME1, therefore indoctrination is not needed.  Your motives were the same ones that most likely didn't change even at the end of the series, and THAT is the reason for your choice.

Its like the game TELLING me I saved Ashley because I loved her, when that wasn't the motivation for my choice, I saved her because she is a female, this is why I made the decision as a player.  My future conversation options affirmed to Ashley the reasons why I saved her, not the game forcing me.

[CmdrShep80]

EXMEFan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Yet you believe everything the 'Catalyst' - the apperent leader of the Reapers - says?

Oh the irony.

Yes because he is directly tied to the Reapers and would know what he was talking about.  EDI isn't connected to the Reapers so should could only assume.

Thats just basic perspective gauging. 

so if the star child was lying about everything he said (which we know AIs have this as a possibility in order to advance their core programming) not like the VIs which cannot would you still believe the star child?  Also how can you tell if he is/isn't lying?

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

To be fair, the "one more story" is probably just EA shamelessly advertising their DLC. Nowhere does the old man say that this "one more story" takes place AFTER the Mass Effect trilogy.

To be fair One more story mean 1 dlc, and it looks like we got more than 1 more story, unless it's all just one bug dlc/ story that's was just cut down.

Modifié par masster blaster, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[Wayning_Star]

Revan87 wrote...

Hey guys, you should check out this:

andrewryanart.deviantart.com/#/d5lq8wr

Now you're scaring meme...er,me..sorry.

[masster blaster]

EXMEFan wrote...

Look I'm going to make a realistic point, and I'm done trolling here, I was going to save this til I understood more, but I think I know what you guys are saying.  You are saying if you picked a choice other than destroy, that you were indoctrinated.  Well check this out:

The ending of this game is the exact same ending of Deus Ex human revolution, where it just gave you 4 choices to make you feel like you decided how the game ended.  

If your decisions was influenced by anything, it was your personality as a player.

Now in mass effect if I picked what you guys think the reapers wanted me to pick, that underminds my decision as a player....it tells me I picked this being I was indoctrinated, when in reality I picked it so my character wouldn't die or for 1000 other reasons as  A PERSON.

I am Shepard, so if I picked this choice, I obviously did it because I wanted to, because I was able to pick any other choice, and I've made similar choices throughout the series.



How can a game tell me I picked a choice because I was indoctrinated when I picked it because I believe people should live in harmony or because I wanted to control the Reapers because I was an **** since ME1?  What if my decision throughout the game reflected this final choice, are you going to say I was indoctrinated the whole game because my ending choice was the same type of choice I made through the whole ME series?

You see where you guys are flawed?  The game can't tell you that you picked this because you were indoctrinated if the personality you gave Shepard from the beginning reflected this choice.

You were able to be the type of person who would pick control or merge from the first conversation option in ME1, therefore indoctrination is not needed.  Your motives were the same ones that most likely didn't change even at the end of the series, and THAT is the reason for your choice.

Its like the game TELLING me I saved Ashley because I loved her, when that wasn't the motivation for my choice, I saved her because she is a female, this is why I made the decision as a player.  My future conversation options affirmed to Ashley the reasons why I saved her, not the game forcing me.

You takeing things to literaly, and your blinded by your own trolling to see what you are saying. You just told use your a troll, and now not every single god dam thing you do counts for IT. Shepard again is under going Indocctrination. Only we the player have to choose, if Shepard get's Indoctrinated, or not.


And just so we are clear your whole post makes no god dam sense.

Modifié par masster blaster, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[The Heretic of Time]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...
FWIW, Ocarina of Time is, in my opinion, the best Zelda game by far.

I believe this is the 2nd (or the 3rd?) time we actually agree on something.  Ocarina of Time rules!

Loved Ocarina of Time, but I think I preferred Majora's Mask.  I just the different gameplay elements they tried to bring into it... and the feeling of it being a race against time, with that damn moon slowly getting closer and larger...

Majora's Mask is also my favorite Zelda game. Both Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are the best Zelda games ever.

"But Heretic_Hanar, 2 different games being the best ever, that's IMPOSSIBRUUUUUUUU!!!!!" Oh yeah? I don't care. Sue me. 

[Wayning_Star]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Yet you believe everything the 'Catalyst' - the apperent leader of the Reapers - says?

Oh the irony.

Yes because he is directly tied to the Reapers and would know what he was talking about.  EDI isn't connected to the Reapers so should could only assume.

Thats just basic perspective gauging. 

so if the star child was lying about everything he said (which we know AIs have this as a possibility in order to advance their core programming) not like the VIs which cannot would you still believe the star child?  Also how can you tell if he is/isn't lying?

it isn't human? holds all the aces in it's deck? don't know it well enough to call it friend?

Logically, it cannot lie, there is no point for it to do so, lying isn't in its programming. The reaperships on the other hand are basically no holds barred, as their 'mind' is wrought from their cargo/independent nationalism.

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

To be fair, the "one more story" is probably just EA shamelessly advertising their DLC. Nowhere does the old man say that this "one more story" takes place AFTER the Mass Effect trilogy.

To be fair One more story mean 1 dlc, and it looks like we got more than 1 more story, unless it's all just one bug dlc/ story that's was just cut down.

You know. the, "one more story," thing is still my explanation for why the endings be crazy.  Old Stargeazer had to finish his story!  And since he was telling it to a kid, the ending didn't HAVE to make sense.  And we're going to get that one more story later.

[masster blaster]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

To be fair, the "one more story" is probably just EA shamelessly advertising their DLC. Nowhere does the old man say that this "one more story" takes place AFTER the Mass Effect trilogy.

To be fair One more story mean 1 dlc, and it looks like we got more than 1 more story, unless it's all just one bug dlc/ story that's was just cut down.

You know. the, "one more story," thing is still my explanation for why the endings be crazy.  Old Stargeazer had to finish his story!  And since he was telling it to a kid, the ending didn't HAVE to make sense.  And we're going to get that one more story later.

Well that's the point. It's not done telling the story yet, so there will be more to come.

[EXMEFan]

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Look I'm going to make a realistic point, and I'm done trolling here, I was going to save this til I understood more, but I think I know what you guys are saying.  You are saying if you picked a choice other than destroy, that you were indoctrinated.  Well check this out:

The ending of this game is the exact same ending of Deus Ex human revolution, where it just gave you 4 choices to make you feel like you decided how the game ended.  

If your decisions was influenced by anything, it was your personality as a player.

Now in mass effect if I picked what you guys think the reapers wanted me to pick, that underminds my decision as a player....it tells me I picked this being I was indoctrinated, when in reality I picked it so my character wouldn't die or for 1000 other reasons as  A PERSON.

I am Shepard, so if I picked this choice, I obviously did it because I wanted to, because I was able to pick any other choice, and I've made similar choices throughout the series.



How can a game tell me I picked a choice because I was indoctrinated when I picked it because I believe people should live in harmony or because I wanted to control the Reapers because I was an **** since ME1?  What if my decision throughout the game reflected this final choice, are you going to say I was indoctrinated the whole game because my ending choice was the same type of choice I made through the whole ME series?

You see where you guys are flawed?  The game can't tell you that you picked this because you were indoctrinated if the personality you gave Shepard from the beginning reflected this choice.

You were able to be the type of person who would pick control or merge from the first conversation option in ME1, therefore indoctrination is not needed.  Your motives were the same ones that most likely didn't change even at the end of the series, and THAT is the reason for your choice.

Its like the game TELLING me I saved Ashley because I loved her, when that wasn't the motivation for my choice, I saved her because she is a female, this is why I made the decision as a player.  My future conversation options affirmed to Ashley the reasons why I saved her, not the game forcing me.

You takeing things to literaly, and your blinded by your own trolling to see what you are saying. You just told use your a troll, and now not every single god dam thing you do counts for IT. Shepard again is under going Indocctrination. Only we the player have to choose, if Shepard get's Indoctrinated, or not.

You not reading what I said.

Why would the Reapers need to indoctrinate a player who played an Anti-Hero when left alone he would have made the same decision anyways.

Everybody's Shepard wasn't this GOOD guy who was willing to get himself killed for the sake of other people.  Some people's Shepard was always selfish in the first place.  So there is no need to indoctrinate him.  There is no need for him to be TRICKED into doing something he would have done in the first place.

And its not like the Reapers win if they are controlled or merged with organics...and Reapers are already merged with organic material, so that really doesn't change who they are.

[CmdrShep80]

EXMEFan wrote...

byne wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And this is a GAME not a BOOK, the characters don't have lives once you beat the game. 

Wait, what? You think characters in books have lives once you stop reading?

A game is interactive, visual, whether it has story or not, it still is a game, and has to be played to continue.

A book is literature, and what you get out of a book, the pictures, the characters, HAVE to be created and live in your mind.

interestingly, there are 4 books out there that fit your description, there are 2 art books as far as I'm aware, several dozen comics, and well 6000+ pages of IT treads where we are doing the same thing. 

[Dwailing]

Wayning_Star wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Yet you believe everything the 'Catalyst' - the apperent leader of the Reapers - says?

Oh the irony.

Yes because he is directly tied to the Reapers and would know what he was talking about.  EDI isn't connected to the Reapers so should could only assume.

Thats just basic perspective gauging. 

so if the star child was lying about everything he said (which we know AIs have this as a possibility in order to advance their core programming) not like the VIs which cannot would you still believe the star child?  Also how can you tell if he is/isn't lying?

it isn't human? holds all the aces in it's deck? don't know it well enough to call it friend?

Logically, it cannot lie, there is no point for it to do so, lying isn't in its programming. The reaperships on the other hand are basically no holds barred, as their 'mind' is wrought from their cargo/independent nationalism.

But the Catalyst says it embodies the collective intelligence of the Reapers.  By your own argument, that would make it even MORE likely to lie, as it's mind is made up of the minds of ALL the Reapers.

[demersel]

CoolioThane wrote...

I still think Glyph is an evil bastard

Oh, I'm sure he is! 

[The Heretic of Time]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

To be fair, the "one more story" is probably just EA shamelessly advertising their DLC. Nowhere does the old man say that this "one more story" takes place AFTER the Mass Effect trilogy.

To be fair One more story mean 1 dlc, and it looks like we got more than 1 more story, unless it's all just one bug dlc/ story that's was just cut down.

You know. the, "one more story," thing is still my explanation for why the endings be crazy.  Old Stargeazer Mac Walters had to finish his story!  And since he was telling it to a kid bunch of dumb fanboys and bio-drones, the ending didn't HAVE to make sense.  And we're going to get that one more story later, as DLC. And we're going to have to pay a lot for it because EA cares more about money than fans.

There, fixed it for you. 

[Dwailing]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

To be fair, the "one more story" is probably just EA shamelessly advertising their DLC. Nowhere does the old man say that this "one more story" takes place AFTER the Mass Effect trilogy.

To be fair One more story mean 1 dlc, and it looks like we got more than 1 more story, unless it's all just one bug dlc/ story that's was just cut down.

You know. the, "one more story," thing is still my explanation for why the endings be crazy.  Old Stargeazer Mac Walters had to finish his story!  And since he was telling it to a kid bunch of dumb fanboys and bio-drones, the ending didn't HAVE to make sense.  And we're going to get that one more story later, as DLC. And we're going to have to pay a lot for it because EA cares more about money than fans.

There, fixed it for you. 

No, I don't think you did.... 

Modifié par Dwailing, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

GLYPH - "the reaper destroyed by the thresher maw appears to be completely inert. We would need to send in teams to be sure."

That thing deffiinitly has a sense of humor. And very dark one at that.

strangely I don't buy this in order to find out it is inert we send a team. Here's a great idea, send Shepard and a squad and have them get separated somehow so Shepard is alone...

[demersel]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Revan87 wrote...

Hey guys, you should check out this:

andrewryanart.deviantart.com/#/d5lq8wr

Now you're scaring meme...er,me..sorry.

Where is Jacob??

[Wayning_Star]

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Look I'm going to make a realistic point, and I'm done trolling here, I was going to save this til I understood more, but I think I know what you guys are saying.  You are saying if you picked a choice other than destroy, that you were indoctrinated.  Well check this out:

The ending of this game is the exact same ending of Deus Ex human revolution, where it just gave you 4 choices to make you feel like you decided how the game ended.  

If your decisions was influenced by anything, it was your personality as a player.

Now in mass effect if I picked what you guys think the reapers wanted me to pick, that underminds my decision as a player....it tells me I picked this being I was indoctrinated, when in reality I picked it so my character wouldn't die or for 1000 other reasons as  A PERSON.

I am Shepard, so if I picked this choice, I obviously did it because I wanted to, because I was able to pick any other choice, and I've made similar choices throughout the series.



How can a game tell me I picked a choice because I was indoctrinated when I picked it because I believe people should live in harmony or because I wanted to control the Reapers because I was an **** since ME1?  What if my decision throughout the game reflected this final choice, are you going to say I was indoctrinated the whole game because my ending choice was the same type of choice I made through the whole ME series?

You see where you guys are flawed?  The game can't tell you that you picked this because you were indoctrinated if the personality you gave Shepard from the beginning reflected this choice.

You were able to be the type of person who would pick control or merge from the first conversation option in ME1, therefore indoctrination is not needed.  Your motives were the same ones that most likely didn't change even at the end of the series, and THAT is the reason for your choice.

Its like the game TELLING me I saved Ashley because I loved her, when that wasn't the motivation for my choice, I saved her because she is a female, this is why I made the decision as a player.  My future conversation options affirmed to Ashley the reasons why I saved her, not the game forcing me.

You takeing things to literaly, and your blinded by your own trolling to see what you are saying. You just told use your a troll, and now not every single god dam thing you do counts for IT. Shepard again is under going Indocctrination. Only we the player have to choose, if Shepard get's Indoctrinated, or not.


And just so we are clear your whole post makes no god dam sense.

I think they're trying to say that indoctrination takes the game away from the player IF Shep is controlled up until the end, even if only moderately/in training. IT relies on Shep overcoming the indoctrination to 'win' the final decision that over powers the catalysts' "hold" on him/her. Just like the reaperships, Shep ends up being 'utilized', an that ends up being the player. No actual choices up until the endgame, of which there is NO clues.

[demersel]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

GLYPH - "the reaper destroyed by the thresher maw appears to be completely inert. We would need to send in teams to be sure."

That thing deffiinitly has a sense of humor. And very dark one at that.

strangely I don't buy this in order to find out it is inert we send a team. Here's a great idea, send Shepard and a squad and have them get separated somehow so Shepard is alone...

I know! It is like the thing wants someone sent there to get indoctrinated!

[Wayning_Star]

demersel wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Revan87 wrote...

Hey guys, you should check out this:

andrewryanart.deviantart.com/#/d5lq8wr

Now you're scaring meme...er,me..sorry.

Where is Jacob??

Probably off raising his new found family and writing the DLC...

[masster blaster]

EXMEFan wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Look I'm going to make a realistic point, and I'm done trolling here, I was going to save this til I understood more, but I think I know what you guys are saying.  You are saying if you picked a choice other than destroy, that you were indoctrinated.  Well check this out:

The ending of this game is the exact same ending of Deus Ex human revolution, where it just gave you 4 choices to make you feel like you decided how the game ended.  

If your decisions was influenced by anything, it was your personality as a player.

Now in mass effect if I picked what you guys think the reapers wanted me to pick, that underminds my decision as a player....it tells me I picked this being I was indoctrinated, when in reality I picked it so my character wouldn't die or for 1000 other reasons as  A PERSON.

I am Shepard, so if I picked this choice, I obviously did it because I wanted to, because I was able to pick any other choice, and I've made similar choices throughout the series.



How can a game tell me I picked a choice because I was indoctrinated when I picked it because I believe people should live in harmony or because I wanted to control the Reapers because I was an **** since ME1?  What if my decision throughout the game reflected this final choice, are you going to say I was indoctrinated the whole game because my ending choice was the same type of choice I made through the whole ME series?

You see where you guys are flawed?  The game can't tell you that you picked this because you were indoctrinated if the personality you gave Shepard from the beginning reflected this choice.

You were able to be the type of person who would pick control or merge from the first conversation option in ME1, therefore indoctrination is not needed.  Your motives were the same ones that most likely didn't change even at the end of the series, and THAT is the reason for your choice.

Its like the game TELLING me I saved Ashley because I loved her, when that wasn't the motivation for my choice, I saved her because she is a female, this is why I made the decision as a player.  My future conversation options affirmed to Ashley the reasons why I saved her, not the game forcing me.

You takeing things to literaly, and your blinded by your own trolling to see what you are saying. You just told use your a troll, and now not every single god dam thing you do counts for IT. Shepard again is under going Indocctrination. Only we the player have to choose, if Shepard get's Indoctrinated, or not.

You not reading what I said.

Why would the Reapers need to indoctrinate a player who played an Anti-Hero when left alone he would have made the same decision anyways.

Everybody's Shepard wasn't this GOOD guy who was willing to get himself killed for the sake of other people.  Some people's Shepard was always selfish in the first place.  So there is no need to indoctrinate him.  There is no need for him to be TRICKED into doing something he would have done in the first place.

And its not like the Reapers win if they are controlled or merged with organics...and Reapers are already merged with organic material, so that really doesn't change who they are.

The reason why is because we said this to you on the first page when you showed up, but no you didn't read it, you just trolled am I right.

That's the point. Who controls Shepard we do. Bioware knows that Shepard can't make the choice because the player Controls SHepard, which is why Bioware Indoctrinates the player with the endings. It's simple who has the power we do, but look what happence when our squad it not with Shepard. He/she is lost.


Um they live that's a huge win. You save the Reapers. Oh  no I can't kill teh Reapers because the leader of teh Reaper says I will kill my friends EDI, and tehGeht, and I will die. bs I mean come on it hates Destroy. You can tell it does, and why on Earth in Control we can't Control all SYnthesitcs, where in Destroy we kill them all?

That's just it. i can't explain anything to you because you shut IT out the moment you can on this thread.