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[masster blaster]

Oh and when I just went to go check the threads out side of this one, I find threads that are trolling IT. oh this is going to be fun.

[spotlessvoid]

This guy isn't looking for rational discussion and his mind is already made up. Why waste the effort? I personally don't care what he thinks of us or IT. I just want him to leave. Ignore his rage induced gibberish and let's move on.

[Wayning_Star]

Dwailing wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Indeed. Reusing assets and especially textures is a common thing in video-games where textures take up lots of storage space. It's called "modular texturing". Look it up. it's nothing new and it most certainly is NOT a clue, hint, proof or evidence for the IT.

Whatever. As far as I'm concerned we go could go on about this for ages. At the end of the day, there's more than enough *proof* in the game to say that's what the ending is. You don't need a developer to confirm every single detail or to say that's what was intended.

I've been kind of thinking about maybe taking a break from all this. It's driving me a little bonkers.

Theres no proof at all.  The fact is you get to choose.  If my guy was a butthole the whole game and chooses control, that is directly in his nature.  He does not need to be tricked into making that choice....

And he doesn't even LOOK indoctrinated at all even when he makes the choice.  There is something unhumanly, and a struggle going on when somebody gets indoctrinated.

Shepard is talking perfect english, has clear thoughts, and everything at the end.  Where as the Illusive Man was wigging out, and still end up defeating the indoctrination by kill himself. 

So if you were at the same stage the Illusive man was at, at the point where you can lose control, or regain it, wouldn't you guys been acting the same way?

Illusive man didn't have a scratch on him, and he was acting crazy.  Your guy looked like hell, and was acting normal.

You guys are just making up stuff, while ignoring the clear cut facts.  

*Says we're making stuff up*

*Makes stuff up about us by saying that we think Shepard is already indoctrinated*

SEEMS LEGIT!

Oh, and speaking of ignoring clear cut facts, you seem to be conveniently forgetting that Chris Priestly and Michael Gamble have both said that IT is a valid interpetation of the endings.  I don't know if it's actually what's going on at this point, but you have no right to tell us that we're crazy.

actually the 'story' is crazy, we're all perfectly normal here in the MEU...

[Wayning_Star]

spotlessvoid wrote...

This guy isn't looking for rational discussion and his mind is already made up. Why waste the effort? I personally don't care what he thinks of us or IT. I just want him to leave. Ignore his rage induced gibberish and let's move on.

to be fair, you have to embrace the horror...

[Dwailing]

magnetite wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...
Theres no proof at all.  The fact is you get to choose.  If my guy was a butthole the whole game and chooses control, that is directly in his nature.  He does not need to be tricked into making that choice....

Heh, you need the developers to spoon feed you all the answers. Try thinking for yourself for once. Some people lack imagination and or critical thinking and reasoning skills.

If people wanted a game where you have the developer explain every single detail or do all your thinking for you, Mass Effect isn't for you. This game was not designed for the mindless masses and instant gratification crowd. It's a game that makes people think.

It's kind of like Inception in a way. Christopher Nolan is not going to tone down his story because people don't understand it. He's going to say that this movie is not suited for that type of audience.

Anyways, I'm going to do something else.

Exactly.  Well, I agree, I have better things to do than argue with a brick wall.  I'll see you all later, when the trolling has ceased.

[EXMEFan]

Dwailing wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Indeed. Reusing assets and especially textures is a common thing in video-games where textures take up lots of storage space. It's called "modular texturing". Look it up. it's nothing new and it most certainly is NOT a clue, hint, proof or evidence for the IT.

Whatever. As far as I'm concerned we go could go on about this for ages. At the end of the day, there's more than enough *proof* in the game to say that's what the ending is. You don't need a developer to confirm every single detail or to say that's what was intended.

I've been kind of thinking about maybe taking a break from all this. It's driving me a little bonkers.

Theres no proof at all.  The fact is you get to choose.  If my guy was a butthole the whole game and chooses control, that is directly in his nature.  He does not need to be tricked into making that choice....

And he doesn't even LOOK indoctrinated at all even when he makes the choice.  There is something unhumanly, and a struggle going on when somebody gets indoctrinated.

Shepard is talking perfect english, has clear thoughts, and everything at the end.  Where as the Illusive Man was wigging out, and still end up defeating the indoctrination by kill himself. 

So if you were at the same stage the Illusive man was at, at the point where you can lose control, or regain it, wouldn't you guys been acting the same way?

Illusive man didn't have a scratch on him, and he was acting crazy.  Your guy looked like hell, and was acting normal.

You guys are just making up stuff, while ignoring the clear cut facts.  

*Says we're making stuff up*

*Makes stuff up about us by saying that we think Shepard is already indoctrinated*

SEEMS LEGIT!

Oh, and speaking of ignoring clear cut facts, you seem to be conveniently forgetting that Chris Priestly and Michael Gamble have both said that IT is a valid interpetation of the endings.  I don't know if it's actually what's going on at this point, but you have no right to tell us that we're crazy.

They would have said it was true, and not an interpretation, you can interpret anything you want.  You basicaly can roleplay it in your mind and SAY your Shepard was indoctrinated.

The fact is, is the cannon? No.  Is that what the developers had in mind?  No?
 
Is that the purpose of the game's ending? No.

Bioware would not have left that out, you guys are just very dumb.

There are obvious visual ques to somebody that is indoctrinated.  Shepard isn't even fighting with himself.

Illusive man WAS fighting with himself, and DEFEATED the indoctrination.  So if Shepard and Illusive Man are at the same stage, why are they acting very different.  One is in full control of his words, the other isn't.

And the fact that Shepard convinced Illusive Man not to give in would mean he defeated his own indoctrination at that point. 

You guys are just on a wild goose chase.  Indoctrination doesn't happen with a DECISION, it happens with a series of events.

[CoolioThane]

YEs, a series of events also known as the ending lol

[Restrider]

Just a little remark:
People who are sure of something 100% are usually indoctrinated in real life. Such statements are actually signs of a fundamentalistic point of view and in result arguing with people who are sure about something 100% is futile.

[EXMEFan]

magnetite wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...
Theres no proof at all.  The fact is you get to choose.  If my guy was a butthole the whole game and chooses control, that is directly in his nature.  He does not need to be tricked into making that choice....

Heh, you need the developers to spoon feed you all the answers. Try thinking for yourself for once. Some people lack imagination and or critical thinking and reasoning skills.

If people wanted a game where you have the developer explain every single detail or do all your thinking for you, Mass Effect isn't for you. This game was not designed for the mindless masses and instant gratification crowd. It's a game that makes people think.

This game series is something that has never been done before. Who's to say the ending can't also be something that's never been done before? People get praised for trying to break the mould instead of following the same old pattern people are used to.

It's kind of like Inception in a way. Christopher Nolan is not going to tone down his story because people don't understand it. He's going to say that this movie is not suited for that type of audience.

Anyways, I'm going to do something else.

At the end of inception, YOU KNEW that you needed something to figure out.  Its called a Cliff Hanger, with an obvious plot element that leads you to obviously know you need something to figure out.

At the end of Mass Effect 3, they did not leave a cliff hanger at all.  They basically told and showed you what the ending was.  There was nothing pointing at indoctrination.  Shepard was torn half to hell and  he was still acting like himself, depending on what your version of Shepards self was.

This theory isn't true. 

The Reapers served best by not allowing the damn Crucible to be build, and even then they didn't even know what choices it would present.

So why would they indoctrinate Shepard just for the soul purpose of picking a choice when they didn't even know what the crucible would do in the first place.

If they wanted to indoctrinate Shepard, they would have convinced him it ws too dangerous to build the crucible because they don't know what collaterial damage it would cause.  Because all the way up until the very end, the Crucible was a unknown quality.

So it doens't make sense to indoctrinate somebody to do something nobody even knew about. especially when the Reapers were over confident that they would win regardless of what was happening.

You guys just don't make sense.

[Vestua]

...I'm starting to think that dude just likes you guys and can't think of a way to say it to you...

[CmdrShep80]

Ok now I really want bioware to put in: "so the ITers were right after all" somewhere in the credits

[Restrider]

spotlessvoid wrote...

This guy isn't looking for rational discussion and his mind is already made up. Why waste the effort? I personally don't care what he thinks of us or IT. I just want him to leave. Ignore his rage induced gibberish and let's move on.

QFT. Others in this thread should follow spot's lead (I am looking at you MB, Dwailing, The Truth, Raistlin ...)

[EXMEFan]

CoolioThane wrote...

YEs, a series of events also known as the ending lol

Why did he stop the Illusive man?  If both of them were indoctrinated, why did Shepard help Illusive Man snap out of it?


You can't answer that.  

[Restrider]

Vestua wrote...

...I'm starting to think that dude just likes you guys and can't think of a way to say it to you...

An unsettling thought, indeed.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

*snip*

Also Hanar what do you think of this?

Unconvincing and some points are even meaningless.


I could go on and debunk every single point made step by step, but honestly, I don't have the time nor do I care enough about this to do so.

I bet you you can't. That's why you don't have the time.

Well, I can, but I don't need to justify myself in front of you. If I say I don't have the time, or just don't feel like it (the latter mostly), you can either just believe be, or don't. I don't care either way.

 When I posted this in the Synthesis, and Control threads a while back they got so angry they went on a killing sprea on ITers.

Riiiiiiiight. Aren't you over-exaggerating a little here?  I'm sure you are.

You on the other had can't do it. I mean come on what you going to say bad writing. please. Or what um you can't can you without using bad writing. try it without using bad writing.

nope.avi

Also, please learn basic English and/or double-check your comments before pressing that blue button. Your comment is a mess and hardly understandable. I can barely make sense of what you just said.

[masster blaster]

EXMEFan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Indeed. Reusing assets and especially textures is a common thing in video-games where textures take up lots of storage space. It's called "modular texturing". Look it up. it's nothing new and it most certainly is NOT a clue, hint, proof or evidence for the IT.

Whatever. As far as I'm concerned we go could go on about this for ages. At the end of the day, there's more than enough *proof* in the game to say that's what the ending is. You don't need a developer to confirm every single detail or to say that's what was intended.

I've been kind of thinking about maybe taking a break from all this. It's driving me a little bonkers.

Theres no proof at all.  The fact is you get to choose.  If my guy was a butthole the whole game and chooses control, that is directly in his nature.  He does not need to be tricked into making that choice....

And he doesn't even LOOK indoctrinated at all even when he makes the choice.  There is something unhumanly, and a struggle going on when somebody gets indoctrinated.

Shepard is talking perfect english, has clear thoughts, and everything at the end.  Where as the Illusive Man was wigging out, and still end up defeating the indoctrination by kill himself. 

So if you were at the same stage the Illusive man was at, at the point where you can lose control, or regain it, wouldn't you guys been acting the same way?

Illusive man didn't have a scratch on him, and he was acting crazy.  Your guy looked like hell, and was acting normal.

You guys are just making up stuff, while ignoring the clear cut facts.  

*Says we're making stuff up*

*Makes stuff up about us by saying that we think Shepard is already indoctrinated*

SEEMS LEGIT!

Oh, and speaking of ignoring clear cut facts, you seem to be conveniently forgetting that Chris Priestly and Michael Gamble have both said that IT is a valid interpetation of the endings.  I don't know if it's actually what's going on at this point, but you have no right to tell us that we're crazy.

They would have said it was true, and not an interpretation, you can interpret anything you want.  You basicaly can roleplay it in your mind and SAY your Shepard was indoctrinated.

The fact is, is the cannon? No.  Is that what the developers had in mind?  No?
 
Is that the purpose of the game's ending? No.

Bioware would not have left that out, you guys are just very dumb.

There are obvious visual ques to somebody that is indoctrinated.  Shepard isn't even fighting with himself.

Illusive man WAS fighting with himself, and DEFEATED the indoctrination.  So if Shepard and Illusive Man are at the same stage, why are they acting very different.  One is in full control of his words, the other isn't.

And the fact that Shepard convinced Illusive Man not to give in would mean he defeated his own indoctrination at that point. 

You guys are just on a wild goose chase.  Indoctrination doesn't happen with a DECISION, it happens with a series of events.

No he quit fighting. He shot himself in the head, as did Saren. Everyone never tried fighting Indoctrination, and over come it. that's why Destroy is special because Shepard lives. IF you want to talk about the best ending, it's Destroy because of the high ems you have to get the breath scene, so actually if Shepard wakes up in Destroy, which is high than Synthesis, then what's their best ending.

[EXMEFan]

Lol @ any game developer who creates an ending that takes 8 months to figure out lmfao

You guys are dumb as hell lmfao

[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

This guy isn't looking for rational discussion and his mind is already made up. Why waste the effort? I personally don't care what he thinks of us or IT. I just want him to leave. Ignore his rage induced gibberish and let's move on.

QFT. Others in this thread should follow spot's lead (I am looking at you MB, Dwailing, The Truth, Raistlin ...)

Yup, that's why I am, from this point onward, not going to speak to this guy, and shall act as if he is not here.

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

*snip*

Also Hanar what do you think of this?

Unconvincing and some points are even meaningless.


I could go on and debunk every single point made step by step, but honestly, I don't have the time nor do I care enough about this to do so.

I bet you you can't. That's why you don't have the time.

Well, I can, but I don't need to justify myself in front of you. If I say I don't have the time, or just don't feel like it (the latter mostly), you can either just believe be, or don't. I don't care either way.

 When I posted this in the Synthesis, and Control threads a while back they got so angry they went on a killing sprea on ITers.

Riiiiiiiight. Aren't you over-exaggerating a little here?  I'm sure you are.

You on the other had can't do it. I mean come on what you going to say bad writing. please. Or what um you can't can you without using bad writing. try it without using bad writing.

nope.avi

Also, please learn basic English and/or double-check your comments before pressing that blue button. Your comment is a mess and hardly understandable. I can barely make sense of what you just said.

And can you please learn what IT means, and can you disprove those top ten IT backbones please. I am waiting. And my grammer may be poor, but I have a better understand of IT, than you can ever know.  And at least I have my friends here that are here to correct me, and support me. You say things about ITers, yet you your self don't even know.

Modifié par masster blaster, 21 novembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[EXMEFan]

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Indeed. Reusing assets and especially textures is a common thing in video-games where textures take up lots of storage space. It's called "modular texturing". Look it up. it's nothing new and it most certainly is NOT a clue, hint, proof or evidence for the IT.

Whatever. As far as I'm concerned we go could go on about this for ages. At the end of the day, there's more than enough *proof* in the game to say that's what the ending is. You don't need a developer to confirm every single detail or to say that's what was intended.

I've been kind of thinking about maybe taking a break from all this. It's driving me a little bonkers.

Theres no proof at all.  The fact is you get to choose.  If my guy was a butthole the whole game and chooses control, that is directly in his nature.  He does not need to be tricked into making that choice....

And he doesn't even LOOK indoctrinated at all even when he makes the choice.  There is something unhumanly, and a struggle going on when somebody gets indoctrinated.

Shepard is talking perfect english, has clear thoughts, and everything at the end.  Where as the Illusive Man was wigging out, and still end up defeating the indoctrination by kill himself. 

So if you were at the same stage the Illusive man was at, at the point where you can lose control, or regain it, wouldn't you guys been acting the same way?

Illusive man didn't have a scratch on him, and he was acting crazy.  Your guy looked like hell, and was acting normal.

You guys are just making up stuff, while ignoring the clear cut facts.  

*Says we're making stuff up*

*Makes stuff up about us by saying that we think Shepard is already indoctrinated*

SEEMS LEGIT!

Oh, and speaking of ignoring clear cut facts, you seem to be conveniently forgetting that Chris Priestly and Michael Gamble have both said that IT is a valid interpetation of the endings.  I don't know if it's actually what's going on at this point, but you have no right to tell us that we're crazy.

They would have said it was true, and not an interpretation, you can interpret anything you want.  You basicaly can roleplay it in your mind and SAY your Shepard was indoctrinated.

The fact is, is the cannon? No.  Is that what the developers had in mind?  No?
 
Is that the purpose of the game's ending? No.

Bioware would not have left that out, you guys are just very dumb.

There are obvious visual ques to somebody that is indoctrinated.  Shepard isn't even fighting with himself.

Illusive man WAS fighting with himself, and DEFEATED the indoctrination.  So if Shepard and Illusive Man are at the same stage, why are they acting very different.  One is in full control of his words, the other isn't.

And the fact that Shepard convinced Illusive Man not to give in would mean he defeated his own indoctrination at that point. 

You guys are just on a wild goose chase.  Indoctrination doesn't happen with a DECISION, it happens with a series of events.

No he quit fighting. He shot himself in the head, as did Saren. Everyone never tried fighting Indoctrination, and over come it. that's why Destroy is special because Shepard lives. IF you want to talk about the best ending, it's Destroy because of the high ems you have to get the breath scene, so actually if Shepard wakes up in Destroy, which is high than Synthesis, then what's their best ending.

 
So how can both Saren and Illusive man be going crazy before the final moments of being full indoctrinated, but Shepard is perfectly normal, even thought he just got his ass blasted half to death?

All the sudden no matter what Shepard picks, he isn't acting confused, or fighting himself as both Saren and the Illusive man were?

There were no distortions or any extra effects at the ending from Shepards perspective, he was perfectly normal aside from look like he was in a meat grinder.

He was clearly not indoctrinated, and he even tried to convince the Illusive Man to snap out of it....

It doesn't make sense...

Even the people who were HALF indoctrinated were acting crazy, out of the normal.....Shepard was pretty much whoever you made him out to be the whole time....so this theory just isn't true.

[The Heretic of Time]

Dwailing wrote...

Restrider wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

This guy isn't looking for rational discussion and his mind is already made up. Why waste the effort? I personally don't care what he thinks of us or IT. I just want him to leave. Ignore his rage induced gibberish and let's move on.

QFT. Others in this thread should follow spot's lead (I am looking at you MB, Dwailing, The Truth, Raistlin ...)

Yup, that's why I am, from this point onward, not going to speak to this guy, and shall act as if he is not here.

It be best if you all did that. EXMEfan is probably just an angsty teenager, arguing on an angsty teenager level. If I were you, I would have better things to do than waste my time on an angsty teenager.

[GethPrimeMKII]

I wonder why an ex ME fan even bothers posting on a ME forum.

Also. Hey ITer's long time no see.

[masster blaster]

EXMEFan wrote...

Lol @ any game developer who creates an ending that takes 8 months to figure out lmfao

You guys are dumb as hell lmfao

then you know nothing about games, or anything it takes time, and if Bioware wants to take their time, then so be it. Look I will say this.

Get out, or I will ask my good friend Chris to send you bye bye because he said " anyone that doesn't like IT is strongly adivced to stay away from IT thread.

[CoolioThane]

EXMEFan wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

YEs, a series of events also known as the ending lol

Why did he stop the Illusive man?  If both of them were indoctrinated, why did Shepard help Illusive Man snap out of it?


You can't answer that.  

Well I can answer it. Shepard wasn't indoctinated. The Reapers were attempting to indoctrinate him