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masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And if the ending was meant to be LEFT UP TO YOUR IMAGINATION why did they waste money making the EC DLC and for free?

If they were so dead set on that, they would have never corrected it.


So they can calm down the fan base, and work on Leviathan, which proves that the ending  can be an Indoctrination attempt.


and.. make for more misinformation as well. All very confusing imho.

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Krimzie wrote...

Hey guys! What's going on today? Nothing new, I see, hur hur hur...

So for giggles and poops, if pre-indoctrination, Saren and Matriarch Benezia got a chance to converse with the Intelligence in an ethereal form, what forms would their catalysts take? I feel like Benezia's might be Liara.


I agree about Benezia, and for Saren, I get the feeling it would take the form of his brother, Desolas.

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estebanus wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

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Like I stated earlier, BiowarEa thinks IT is like, totally funny.. Keep up the humor folks.. it's free!!

If you get that out from that comment, then I wonder how you can call the IT nothing but baseless accusations.



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Wayning_Star wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And if the ending was meant to be LEFT UP TO YOUR IMAGINATION why did they waste money making the EC DLC and for free?

If they were so dead set on that, they would have never corrected it.


So they can calm down the fan base, and work on Leviathan, which proves that the ending  can be an Indoctrination attempt.


and.. make for more misinformation as well. All very confusing imho.


Simple reason for the EC.  If they hadn't done it, people wouldn't buy DLC.  If people didn't buy DLC, their greater plan of indoctrination would never be able to work because people wouldn't be interested.

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LMFAO, I really didn't think there were people this damn stupid in the world.

I mean the game being good or bad, thats an opinion

bad writing, thats an opinion

but to effectively come up with a theory on a game that was even patched to have an coherrent ending to answer all the question, thats just stupid.

They PATCHED the game to try to answer ALL question, ALL possible loop holes, and ALL criticisms.  Not only that they did it for FREE, meaning they are done explaining the ending of the game.

the DLC is like Anime Fillers.  Unique storylines that don't change much to the core game that a player can still play as Shepard in. 

They won't be revealing anything that changes the ending of the game, it defeats the point of buying the core game if you only get the true ending if you pay 15 extra dollars.

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 

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EXMEFan wrote...

LMFAO, I really didn't think there were people this damn stupid in the world.

I mean the game being good or bad, thats an opinion

bad writing, thats an opinion

but to effectively come up with a theory on a game that was even patched to have an coherrent ending to answer all the question, thats just stupid.

They PATCHED the game to try to answer ALL question, ALL possible loop holes, and ALL criticisms.  Not only that they did it for FREE, meaning they are done explaining the ending of the game.

the DLC is like Anime Fillers.  Unique storylines that don't change much to the core game that a player can still play as Shepard in. 

They won't be revealing anything that changes the ending of the game, it defeats the point of buying the core game if you only get the true ending if you pay 15 extra dollars.

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 


Whatever.:mellow:

Also reported.

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Dwailing wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

Hey guys! What's going on today? Nothing new, I see, hur hur hur...

So for giggles and poops, if pre-indoctrination, Saren and Matriarch Benezia got a chance to converse with the Intelligence in an ethereal form, what forms would their catalysts take? I feel like Benezia's might be Liara.


I agree about Benezia, and for Saren, I get the feeling it would take the form of his brother, Desolas.


I would have hated the endings less if the Catalyst didn't take the form of that little kid. BioWare's attempt at being "deep" and trying to make us "care" was too obvious and it failed. The Catalyst should have looked something like this:

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If it looked like that I might have actually taken him seriously, if even for a tiny little bit, instead of outright laughing at him, which is what I actually did when I first saw his little ugly mug.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:02 .


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Look, IT isn't hurting anything. So bugger off already. You don't have to accept it or like it. You'd probably be happier in a thread on a topic you actually enjoy.

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EXMEFan wrote...

And if the ending was meant to be LEFT UP TO YOUR IMAGINATION why did they waste money making the EC DLC and for free?

If they were so dead set on that, they would have never corrected it.

It was left up to the imagination of those who can imagine.

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masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 


Whatever.:mellow:

Also reported.

And the mask comes off...
Well, not like there was much of one anyway.
Also reported.

Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:06 .


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Dwailing wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And if the ending was meant to be LEFT UP TO YOUR IMAGINATION why did they waste money making the EC DLC and for free?

If they were so dead set on that, they would have never corrected it.


So they can calm down the fan base, and work on Leviathan, which proves that the ending  can be an Indoctrination attempt.


and.. make for more misinformation as well. All very confusing imho.


Simple reason for the EC.  If they hadn't done it, people wouldn't buy DLC.  If people didn't buy DLC, their greater plan of indoctrination would never be able to work because people wouldn't be interested.


LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO the greater plan of indoctrination? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

OMG this is the most pathetic thread in the history of the gaming world.  Lmfao.

Dude, most gamers would start a hell storm if they try to say Shepard was indoctrinated, because that would further mean their choices never matter AS PROMISED by Bioware.

This is simple, you are acting if this would be a GREAT reveal, and ME Fans would love it, that is just false, thats why a lot of people bash this idea.

It introduces a lot of plot holes, and further kills the interest of the series.

Their best bet is just to just leave things how it is, they already minimized the damage with the EC DLC, they don't want to revisit the weakest part of ME which is the ending.

Thats why the DLC is focusing on the best parts, story and gameplay.  And that Leviathan DLC will have nothing to do with the Omega DLC, bioware DLCs stand on their own, and they aren't changing for this series.

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EXMEFan wrote...

LMFAO, I really didn't think there were people this damn stupid in the world.

I mean the game being good or bad, thats an opinion

bad writing, thats an opinion

but to effectively come up with a theory on a game that was even patched to have an coherrent ending to answer all the question, thats just stupid.

They PATCHED the game to try to answer ALL question, ALL possible loop holes, and ALL criticisms.  Not only that they did it for FREE, meaning they are done explaining the ending of the game.

the DLC is like Anime Fillers.  Unique storylines that don't change much to the core game that a player can still play as Shepard in. 

They won't be revealing anything that changes the ending of the game, it defeats the point of buying the core game if you only get the true ending if you pay 15 extra dollars.

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 


and others will probably continue to enjoy their versions...so its a moot point really. I'm still a fan of ME..sooo. ???

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EXMEFan wrote...

It introduces a lot of plot holes, and further kills the interest of the series.


I doubt you could mention even one plothole created by the theory.

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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 


Whatever.:mellow:

Also reported.

And the mask comes off...
Well, not like there was much of one anyway.
Also reported.


oh you mean him.

Modifié par masster blaster, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:08 .


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Wayning_Star wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

LMFAO, I really didn't think there were people this damn stupid in the world.

I mean the game being good or bad, thats an opinion

bad writing, thats an opinion

but to effectively come up with a theory on a game that was even patched to have an coherrent ending to answer all the question, thats just stupid.

They PATCHED the game to try to answer ALL question, ALL possible loop holes, and ALL criticisms.  Not only that they did it for FREE, meaning they are done explaining the ending of the game.

the DLC is like Anime Fillers.  Unique storylines that don't change much to the core game that a player can still play as Shepard in. 

They won't be revealing anything that changes the ending of the game, it defeats the point of buying the core game if you only get the true ending if you pay 15 extra dollars.

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 


and others will probably continue to enjoy their versions...so its a moot point really. I'm still a fan of ME..sooo. ???


If they really didn't care, they wouldn't have been responding to me for about 3 hours now lol....I just hate dumb theories....it make gaming companies lazy, let them throw up bullshyt, and then watch the forums to see if they can find appeasers who come up with a valid enough excuse for bad execution

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masster blaster wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 


Whatever.:mellow:

Also reported.

And the mask comes off...
Well, not like there was much of one anyway.
Also reported.


oh you mean him.


Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:09 .


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EXMEFan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

And if the ending was meant to be LEFT UP TO YOUR IMAGINATION why did they waste money making the EC DLC and for free?

If they were so dead set on that, they would have never corrected it.


So they can calm down the fan base, and work on Leviathan, which proves that the ending  can be an Indoctrination attempt.


and.. make for more misinformation as well. All very confusing imho.


Simple reason for the EC.  If they hadn't done it, people wouldn't buy DLC.  If people didn't buy DLC, their greater plan of indoctrination would never be able to work because people wouldn't be interested.


LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO the greater plan of indoctrination? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

OMG this is the most pathetic thread in the history of the gaming world.  Lmfao.

Dude, most gamers would start a hell storm if they try to say Shepard was indoctrinated, because that would further mean their choices never matter AS PROMISED by Bioware.

This is simple, you are acting if this would be a GREAT reveal, and ME Fans would love it, that is just false, thats why a lot of people bash this idea.

It introduces a lot of plot holes, and further kills the interest of the series.

Their best bet is just to just leave things how it is, they already minimized the damage with the EC DLC, they don't want to revisit the weakest part of ME which is the ending.

Thats why the DLC is focusing on the best parts, story and gameplay.  And that Leviathan DLC will have nothing to do with the Omega DLC, bioware DLCs stand on their own, and they aren't changing for this series.


but that's all metagame, it's not pertainant to the argument? Kind of mixing business with pleasure..

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EXMEFan wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

LMFAO, I really didn't think there were people this damn stupid in the world.

I mean the game being good or bad, thats an opinion

bad writing, thats an opinion

but to effectively come up with a theory on a game that was even patched to have an coherrent ending to answer all the question, thats just stupid.

They PATCHED the game to try to answer ALL question, ALL possible loop holes, and ALL criticisms.  Not only that they did it for FREE, meaning they are done explaining the ending of the game.

the DLC is like Anime Fillers.  Unique storylines that don't change much to the core game that a player can still play as Shepard in. 

They won't be revealing anything that changes the ending of the game, it defeats the point of buying the core game if you only get the true ending if you pay 15 extra dollars.

And I am going to troll the **** out of this thread as soon as the Omega DLC come out, I'm 100% sure it won't reveal anything new, deal with anything that was in the other DLC, and would just focus on how Aria got kicked out of Omega.....

watch, I'm going to LMFAO 


and others will probably continue to enjoy their versions...so its a moot point really. I'm still a fan of ME..sooo. ???


If they really didn't care, they wouldn't have been responding to me for about 3 hours now lol....I just hate dumb theories....it make gaming companies lazy, let them throw up bullshyt, and then watch the forums to see if they can find appeasers who come up with a valid enough excuse for bad execution


but the actual point you miss in all this is that BiowarEa utilize gamers to help write in their stories. So any 'hypothisis' is considerd 'viable', in the sense that it is imagined properly. The IT folks do a lot to support thier concepts. It matters little if we agree to disagree, or even comment on the folly of either..

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I feel like this is a special treat watching this guy rant and rave like the loon he's making himself out to be.
I'm having too much fun watching this guy make an ass out of himself.
He's obviously a COD player who can't understand a good story as far as he can pick his own nose.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

Hey guys! What's going on today? Nothing new, I see, hur hur hur...

So for giggles and poops, if pre-indoctrination, Saren and Matriarch Benezia got a chance to converse with the Intelligence in an ethereal form, what forms would their catalysts take? I feel like Benezia's might be Liara.


I agree about Benezia, and for Saren, I get the feeling it would take the form of his brother, Desolas.


I would have hated the endings less if the Catalyst didn't take the form of that little kid. BioWare's attempt at being "deep" and trying to make us "care" was too obvious and it failed. The Catalyst should have looked something like this:

Posted Image
Posted ImagePosted Image

If it looked like that I might have actually taken him seriously, if even for a tiny little bit, instead of outright laughing at him, which is what I actually did when I first saw his little ugly mug.


Continuing on my little headcanon (because I don't want to feed the troll). If the Catalyst looked like that, than this could be what REALLY happened after Harbingers beam :D:

Shepard v.s The Catalyst

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:17 .


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If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. This goes to both sides but mainly EXMEFan.

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[/quote]

Continuing on my little headcanon (because I don't want to feed the troll). If the Catalyst looked like that, than this could be what REALLY happened after Harbingers beam :D:

Shepard v.s The Catalyst:

http://www.youtube.c...J77ZU3I#t=5m27s
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awww crap.. cops got it.

This video contains content from Starz Media LLC, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
Sorry about that.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. This goes to both sides but mainly EXMEFan.


taken from the handle, EX ME FAN is erked more at BiowarEa than ITer's...

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

EXMEFan wrote...

It introduces a lot of plot holes, and further kills the interest of the series.


I doubt you could mention even one plothole created by the theory.




At what point was he indoctrinated?  Why did they try to kill him 100 times if they indoctrinated him or planned to use him.  Why if Illusive man was indoctrinated and acting bizzare, Shepard was calm and composed.    

How could they have known what the crucible would do when it wasn't built by them?  Why was the indoctrination so timely, so precise, and fitting for a random event nobody, even the Reapers, knew would happen?

Also, why would the Reapers want to use the crucible when it destroyed all the relays so they are basically stuck in the SOL system with everybody else.  

Why wouldn't they just indoctrinate Shepard to not build the crucible in the first place.  If they planned on indoctrinating Shepard, why did they kill him at the beginning of ME2?

If your Shepard wanted to control the Reapers anyways, because you can basically agree with Illusive Man at points and at the end of ME2, why would he need to be indoctrinated?  I mean you can play as a Renegade or a Paragon anyways.  Your Shepard was never a static character that needed to be swayed.

Also why did you promise our decisions matter if you are now telling me my character made the decision because of indoctrination.

Also why introduce indoctrination when it would only matter if I didn't pick destroy.....If I picked destroy, what is the reason to make me buy DLC just to find out something was happening that didn't matter with my character.

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Cerberus coup mission has a very wierd start. THe normandy is dark - no lights it is pitch black dark, when joker tries to contact the citadel, shepard comes in, in his casual clothes, but with his guns present. Will start it again to make sure it was not a bug. 

Edit: so yeah it was no accident. Either it is just my PC specific bug, or it is that way for real. 
Shepard comes in without his guns, but then suddenly they appear. EDI is not on the bridge, onle shepard and Joker. There is nothing besides the bridge - and the camera makes a point to show you that several times.  

Modifié par demersel, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:29 .